http://www.nfl.com/news/sto...=HP11_headline_stack

The reason I am REALLY posting this was the first comment underneath:

"If 17 year old guys can't nail NFL cheerleaders then the terrorists have won."

lmfao

I find no real problem with this... At 17, he's just barely under the cut but it's ignorant to say he was a victim in any way. Position of authority? Not great karma, but it isn't like anyone would really turn down that opportunity.

They have something going, good for them. In this case, I'd say it's up to family discretion anyway.

That ain't rape. That's the dream of EVERY teenage boy.

This country is f***ed up.

Nailed it.

"Prosecutors said they were willing to make the deal because the teen, who's now 18, and his family were uncooperative with them and on Jones' side.

Defense attorney Eric Deters said now that the teen is 18, he and Jones "are free to be together" and pointed out that they left the courtroom together."

WTF are they even bothering with this for? Jeez...

Probably earn some negs for this but sheesh come on guys!
Wrong is wrong. Every boys dream yeah so?

A male teacher would be behind bars if it were a 17 year old girl.

I have a daughter who is 6. This scares the hell out of me. So far all men are posting here. You dont see women posting that yeah its every teenage girls dream to bang their 27 year old teacher do you?

Nah, your opinion should not garner negs.. but the way I see it is this: I was making my own decisions on who I was having sex with at 17 years old, and nobody had to go to jail. And 17 and 6 years old are a lot different. A lot. But I do agree with you, had this been a 17 year old girl and her teacher, they would have been trying to fry the guy.

A few years back there were two similar cases in the news at the same time, one of the teachers was fat and ugly, the other teacher was good looking. Guess who got probation and who went to jail for 12 years?

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: "Prosecutors said they were willing to make the deal because the teen, who's now 18, and his family were uncooperative with them and on Jones' side. Defense attorney Eric Deters said now that the teen is 18, he and Jones "are free to be together" and pointed out that they left the courtroom together." WTF are they even bothering with this for? Jeez...

She was his teacher I am guessing is the real issue here. I don't have a problem with any of this, but I guess it is inappropriate for a teacher to sleep with students.

On a side note. My cousin married his teacher. He was 17, she was 34. 11 years now and they are still married and have a pair of twin boys. I didn't see the issue then, or now really. My aunt thought it was disgusting and that she was a POS rapist. Subsequently they don't speak.

quote Originally posted by HIOSILVER!: Probably earn some negs for this but sheesh come on guys! Wrong is wrong. Every boys dream yeah so? A male teacher would be behind bars if it were a 17 year old girl. I have a daughter who is 6. This scares the hell out of me. So far all men are posting here. You dont see women posting that yeah its every teenage girls dream to bang their 27 year old teacher do you?

You are right, rulz is rulz for a reason.
Yes, it's a double-standard, but I am also aware that he may have gotten special treatment during grading.
And that really tics me off.

I struggled for my D's.
While he was motorboating his!

My first was my friends 20-years-my-senior mother, lasted for 10 years, and was the best thing that ever happened to me.
But rulz is rulz.

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quote Originally posted by HIOSILVER!: Probably earn some negs for this but sheesh come on guys! Wrong is wrong. Every boys dream yeah so? A male teacher would be behind bars if it were a 17 year old girl. I have a daughter who is 6. This scares the hell out of me. So far all men are posting here. You dont see women posting that yeah its every teenage girls dream to bang their 27 year old teacher do you?

Double standard for sure. Sex is different though for boys versus girls at that age. I can 100% attest that my cousin wasn't raped. They are still married. He wanted it, she wanted it. He wasn't tricked, forced or coerced. Virginity, sexuality and promiscuity are as precious to a male. That is the other side of the double standard. It's the world we live in regardless though.

Depends what state your in to be an Adult. A woman who does that crime, may get a few months time or probation. If a man does that, multiply that by 10 years.

So the gals a cougar. The guy for all intent is an adult. The only thing I see wrong is its a teacher-student thing. Even in college, its def frowned on, even if the student (male or female) is in their 20s and completely legal anywhere in the country. I like 25 year old girls myself...its no one elses business besides the guy and girl regardless of ages if there of legal age physically and mentally.

I disagree. Yes at 17 even 18 technically an adult. But the 27 year olds or in the case above 34 year olds has had a chance to LIVE, to experience things. They know what they want what they like. Its different for the kids because it may be their first and they think its the absolute greatest thing and they dont know any better. They havent even lived yet.
Sure special circumstances may exist like the ones said above that are still married and have kids but its not always the way. There was that teacher with his young student awhile back that went through same thing. He had to quit ruined his career etc. But the girl insisted on being with him anyway. It was just a few months ago i think but she left him. So all for naught.

Kids are in school to learn. Teachers are there to teach. No teacher or student should be involved with each other sexually till there is never that relationship of teacher/student. My opinion anyway.

Yes this is wrong. He was under age just like a girl that is under age. The laws should be the same for all. Why should a man go to prison for getting lucky with a 17 year old slut. But a woman not have to because the boy liked it. The laws should be the same for all and that is why it is wrong.

Hormones are raging in a 17 year old boy. Most dont know the difference at that point what love is versus lust because hes getting his peepee wet. Thats not mentally an adult.

I must admit, this seems like a storm in a teacup...I mean seriously, who here DIDN'T have sex with an older woman when you were 16 or 17?

Proves my point. Everyone has opinions but 17 year old girl is called a slut 2 posts up. Would you still call her a slut if it were your own daughter? Or would you be more concerned that she was immature and not mentally capable of deciding that sleeping with her 30 year old teacher was wrong while still in high school.

I think it's unprofessional for a teacher to become sexually involved with his/her students. If you can't keep your pants on, maybe you shouldn't be a teacher.

That said, I have no problem with the age difference, or the supposed double-standard. You see, Nature made men and women differently... not just physically, but psychologically. So if you want to blame someone for a double-standard, blame Mother Nature.

so who said there is no american christian version of the tali-ban
they are the ones who make these stupid laws and want them enforced
and are mostly extreme rightwing nut christians

I want freedom FROM religion

quote Originally posted by HIOSILVER!: I disagree. Yes at 17 even 18 technically an adult. But the 27 year olds or in the case above 34 year olds has had a chance to LIVE, to experience things. They know what they want what they like. Its different for the kids because it may be their first and they think its the absolute greatest thing and they dont know any better. They havent even lived yet. Sure special circumstances may exist like the ones said above that are still married and have kids but its not always the way. There was that teacher with his young student awhile back that went through same thing. He had to quit ruined his career etc. But the girl insisted on being with him anyway. It was just a few months ago i think but she left him. So all for naught. Kids are in school to learn. Teachers are there to teach. No teacher or student should be involved with each other sexually till there is never that relationship of teacher/student. My opinion anyway.

Teacher student relationship, fine I get that is inappropriate.

Boony said his first was much old and it was a great experience for him.
My first was 10 years older than me and I am EXTREMELY okay with it. The relationship went on for a number of years. If we had not been at different stages of our lives, we likely would have married and had children. I wasn't tricked. I wanted to see her, we had TONS in common. Not everyone develops the same. My current girlfriend is 10 years older than me. We've know each other and been friends for years. We dated for a while, decided we wanted different things, now that our lives have more realigned we are seeing each other again. She didn't trick me into dating her when I was younger either.
LOTS of people have high school sweethearts and they never as you say get to live life. This is no different really, except one is older and the other isn't. People make their choices. Not all 17 year old boys/girls are ignorant.

I have to say, being in a relationship with someone who knows what they want is awesome. You don't have to decide every little detail. You learn some things from their experience. It helped me mature and get my life in gear. I've dated younger girls and girls my own age. Each has pros and cons. Honestly, I think I just like all girls.

If anybody thinks that teen girls don’t fantasize about older men, their teachers and their friends dad’s they are delusional. They often act on these urges too.

Wow, a total babe and smart enough to teach English! She should NOT be a teacher but to prosecute something like this would be ludicrous.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: Boony said his first was much old and it was a great experience for him.

Yes, but now it's a little weird for me.
It made me to be attracted to older women.

But now i'm 52.
And still attracted to women 20 years older then me.

I now fantasize about banging Abe Lincolns mother!

quote COVINGTON, Ky. -- An ex-Cincinnati Bengals cheerleader pleaded guilty Monday to having sex with her 17-year-old former student while she was a teacher at a northern Kentucky high school and will avoid jail time.

It's not a Cheerleader having sex with a 17 year old, it's a friggin teacher having sex with her student. She should be in prison right now, if it was a male teacher sleeping with a 17 year old girl you guys would be demanding blood.

Brad

yes, I too think the blanket 18 years of age for sexual consent is flawed.
people mature differently.

but, the tough questions: how do we determine the qualifications?
by how interested they are in having sex? applying the stud/slut double standard? by physical appearance determination?

it is actually pretty simple: puberty. that is "gods" standard.


yes, it is a tough find if you are looking for a 17 yr old male who would NOT jump right into such an oppurtunity.
so, how's about that 17 yr old girl and the the Bengals QB? still OK? I am sure there are many young ladies lined up for that ride as well.
I think any girl who gets her period is OK for sex. but, not all do. same for dudes. if you can blast a load, you are ready to be up to bat.

quote Originally posted by ray b: so who said there is no american christian version of the tali-ban they are the ones who make these stupid laws and want them enforced and are mostly extreme rightwing nut christians I want freedom FROM religion

Only YOU could make a political statement about a right-of-passage discussion.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: if it was a male teacher sleeping with a 17 year old girl you guys would be demanding blood. Brad

Yup.
The world is chocked full of hypocrisy.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Yup. The world is chocked full of hypocrisy.

And as I am reading the story the boy was 15 or 16 at the time she was his teacher, and the parents were claiming he was 17 and being uncooperative.

quote The teen had been in Jones' freshman English class in 2008, and she was his peer tutor in 2010 and 2011 before he graduated at the age of 17 this year, according to Monday's plea agreement, signed by Jones.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Yup. The world is chocked full of hypocrisy.

Except it IS not the same. Numbers sure but the life reality is not close by any stretch.

Our laws are antiquated written by sexually hung up religious types. Back in the olden days there may have been good arguments for health reasons etc. Ohh wait a minute in the olden days you could be 40 and marry a 14 year old no problem! guess I take it back. WTF

My wife's grandmother was married and 14 when she started doing her part to populate our great country. I am very glad she was too.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: If anybody thinks that teen girls don’t fantasize about older men, their teachers and their friends dad’s they are delusional.

Damn right. In high school, I had a large group of female friends and every one of them (that liked men) spent a good amount of time talking about what they'd to the photography teacher if they had the chance. One girl was kicked out because she tried to get with the guy and, when he refused, she tried to raise an unholy stink about it.

I'm pretty sure he turned her down because he ws gay but that was never confirmed

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quote Originally posted by F355spider: Yes this is wrong. He was under age just like a girl that is under age. The laws should be the same for all. Why should a man go to prison for getting lucky with a 17 year old slut. But a woman not have to because the boy liked it. The laws should be the same for all and that is why it is wrong.

Agreed. The law is the law. If someone doesn't like it, change it. If you get away with it, great. When you don't, don't complain. I agree that's it's something that has to be addressed on a case by case basis but she knew it was against the law and if she didn't she is a moron. The universal first thought is "are you 18 years old?"

Yeah, it's a waste of the public's money but the law is the law.

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Here comes my negs.

Not too long ago on this forum there was a guy that admitted he was going to prison for having sex with a girl that was closer in age than these two.

As I recall there were pages of people making threats to him, wishing him harm etc. None of the "Well different people have different mentalities at different ages."

If one is wrong the other should be wrong as well. Making allowances because one is "hot" or a different sex is completely wrong IMO.

It's pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned.

Please keep in mind this was someone who was supposed to be in a position of power, how would the story be going were it a male teacher having sex with a girl 10 years younger than him?

Brad

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Here comes my negs.

I will join you.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Not too long ago on this forum there was a guy that admitted he was going to prison for having sex with a girl that was closer in age than these two. As I recall there were pages of people making threats to him, wishing him harm etc. None of the "Well different people have different mentalities at different ages."

I'm SO glad you brought that up.
That guy was wrong, and he admitted it after his self-excusses wore out.
The part that stunned me was that he was banned by other members because of it.
Not because of anything he did here, or the way he interacted with others here, or breaking any forum rules here, but only because of his real life.
He did here what most people here put great stock in.
He admitted a wrongdoing, and was preparing to pay the penalty.
He did what is supposedly admired here, by showing honor and personal responsability for his actions (after being caught, of coarse).
And he was PUNISHED here for it by being banned.
Amazing.

And don't even try to say I am defending a pedophile or lessening what he did.
I'm talking about something else.
I'm talking about us.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: It's pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned.

I agree.
It reminds me of guys who dated other men's daughters, then talk about meeting their daughters date at the door with a gun.
Or those same guys that did all kinds of "things" with other men's daughters while growing up and dating, but want to kill the boy that has been doing what boys (including them) have been doing forever, to other men's daughters.
Why are their daughters different then the daughters THEY were dating?

I mean, who was THEIR first time?
Somebodys daughter?

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Only YOU could make a political statement about a right-of-passage discussion.

crime law morals and enforcement are all political
and clearly shows the DARK SIDE OF NUT-CON'S
AND THEIR CHRISTIAN BASED ROOTS OF THE DOGMA

YES I UNDERSTAND YOUR
AS YOU NEVER WANT TO DISCUSS THE REAL RIGHTWING PROGRAM
BECAUSE IT AIN'T ABOUT FREEDOM IT IS ABOUT CONTROL

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I agree. It reminds me of guys who dated other men's daughters, then talk about meeting their daughters date at the door with a gun. Or those same guys that did all kinds of "things" with other men's daughters while growing up and dating, but want to kill the boy that has been doing what boys (including them) have been doing forever, to other men's daughters. Why are their daughters different then the daughters THEY were dating? I mean, who was THEIR first time? Somebodys daughter?

I'm a hypocrite there too. It's mainly because looking back I know exactly what those kids will do to get what they want and it scares the crap out of me that someone wants to do that to my innocent niece.

Brad

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Here comes my negs. Not too long ago on this forum there was a guy that admitted he was going to prison for having sex with a girl that was closer in age than these two. As I recall there were pages of people making threats to him, wishing him harm etc. None of the "Well different people have different mentalities at different ages." If one is wrong the other should be wrong as well. Making allowances because one is "hot" or a different sex is completely wrong IMO. It's pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. Please keep in mind this was someone who was supposed to be in a position of power, how would the story be going were it a male teacher having sex with a girl 10 years younger than him? Brad

I remember the guy Brad. I think it is a double standard. I actually am much more okay with a younger boy sleeping with an older woman. I think men and women are not equal (I hope that doesn't sound sexist). I don't mean women aren't capable. I guess I am old fashioned in that I think women are fragile and precious. I am a provider and a protector.

Also, she was 12, he was 20.

I don't recall jumping in on the thread. I never rated him one way or the other. I don't care if people think it is hypocritical. I think the age and sex in that instance is worse than in the instance we are discussing in this thread.

I blame my upbringing on believing women are special and to be cherished. Call it sexist, call it whatever.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Please. There are no shortage of people here that not only CAN, but DO that very thing everyday in every thread. You yourself have been known to do that very thing. I'm told here everything is politics, marked or not. Just sayin'....

Ehem, I beg to differ. I keep my political commentary to poltical threads. I will confess to an occassional political joke in other threads but I have never turned a non political thread into a political rant.

Mee thinks your perceptions are a bit biased

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: It's not a Cheerleader having sex with a 17 year old, it's a friggin teacher having sex with her student. She should be in prison right now, if it was a male teacher sleeping with a 17 year old girl you guys would be demanding blood. Brad

Thank you! The double standard is sickening, but not unexpected from the usual sources. As far as negs, I'm going to offset one of those.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: Also, she was 12, he was 20.

According to the story the Boy was around 15, and the teacher around 25 when this all started. Since girls mature (mentally) years before boys I don't think there is a difference here.

quote I blame my upbringing on believing women are special and to be cherished. Call it sexist, call it whatever.

It is sexist, I feel the same way, but it's wrong thinking from both of us. If sleeping with one that is underage is wrong, the other is wrong as well.

Brad