Let's recap. Neptune bumped about 14 threads of mine, going back several days, and even months, on 8-9-12 between the hours of 11:08 AM and 11:37 AM or 29 minutes. I guess he would have done more if it weren't for flood control, and I am the bad guy?
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2farnorth Member
Posts: 3402 From: Leonard, Tx. USA Registered: Feb 2001
What are all you naysayers, that were complaining, doing in this thread? You get what you (Neptune etc) asked for then you start trashing the dedicated thread. Just came here to gloat didn't you? If you don't like what he has to say don't read the threads. At least with Avengador you know his source. That's more than I can say for most of you.
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blakeinspace Member
Posts: 5923 From: Fort Worth, Texas Registered: Dec 2001
13 threads... less than one week old... all of them just a splash copy/paste of tiresome political tripe...
Yeah... it is spam. You get chided repeatedly about it... but you never get the point... you just keep doing it.
Stimpy even thought something was wrong when we had a two or three day blessed rest of spam attacks... thought for a second you had died.
So hoo-ray to Neptune. It took 14 posts in a 30 minute period to prove a point.
You're an intelligent guy... I hope you can see his point. I would also hope you understand that the constant barrage of political drivel is very tiresome... and even if one doesn't click on the threads... just seeing a daily barrage of AV1 titles is an irritant. And yes... if there was a new thread started for every pic of a girl without Fiero's... I would complain too. Same principal.
Thanks John Sparza for containing all the G Warming stuff to one thread... cool and respectful.
-edit... to Dave (2far)... I think there are numerous people just looking for a place to say thanks or agree with Neptune... and did not want to start a new thread about it.
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13 threads... less than one week old... all of them just a splash copy/paste of tiresome political tripe...
Yeah... it is spam. You get chided repeatedly about it... but you never get the point... you just keep doing it.
Stimpy even thought something was wrong when we had a two or three day blessed rest of spam attacks... thought for a second you had died.
So hoo-ray to Neptune. It took 14 posts in a 30 minute period to prove a point.
You're an intelligent guy... I hope you can see his point. I would also hope you understand that the constant barrage of political drivel is very tiresome... and even if one doesn't click on the threads... just seeing a daily barrage of AV1 titles is an irritant. And yes... if there was a new thread started for every pic of a girl without Fiero's... I would complain too. Same principal.
Thanks John Sparza for containing all the G Warming stuff to one thread... cool and respectful.
-edit... to Dave (2far)... I think there are numerous people just looking for a place to say thanks or agree with Neptune... and did not want to start a new thread about it.
I think it was Monday that I logged on, and counted 12 A1 threads--none bumped by Neptune, and about 5 were new--posted that same day. All basically the same thing. So he can't blame this on Neptune, and yes, A1 totally missed the point---------again.. btw, not counting this one, there are (on my display) currently 13 A1 threads showin-- in which 8 state the "last post by " member is------------------drum roll please----------Avengador1.
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Someone was kind enough to start a thread for me to post my political articles in. Many of the replies I am seeing in it belong to a bunch of hypocritical liberal crybabies moaning about the "crap" I post, which they supposedly do not read and avoid like the plague. If there was one thread that had a huge sign saying "LIBERALS DO NOT ENTER OR READ" it would be this one. Maybe it's just because they are so dense or is it that they do not have very good reading comprehension? Maybe they are so addicted to my threads that they have to continue reading them, even though it causes them great discomfort. It's just typical of them to come into one of my threads, say that the article is not true without offering any proof at all, and moaning about it without actually contributing to it. If they want to talk about wasting Cliff's bandwidth all they need to do is to look at the useless "crap" they post. Talk about a bunch of sore losers, they can't even defend any acusations they love to throw around so liberally. As for how I feel about Obama, how many different ways and times have I said that I do not like him or what he is doing to our country? If you hate our country feel free to vote for him again, but don't be surprised if he flushes you down the toilet with what's left of it. If he wins it won't have any real effect on me.
You really need to go back through this thread and read your own posts. Hypocrisy??? And you have the audacity to call others crybabies and sore losers as you post your own whining drivel? It looks like a lot more than "liberals" are happy with Cliff's suggestion.
I will admit that I read many of the articles you post. The far right is always good for a laugh or two, as is the far left. Who knows, maybe "Avengador's Politics Corner" will stay right at the top, but at least it won't be bumping many of the other interseting topics to the back pages like the continuous Copy and Paste flow you've been posting.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
We really need a new section dedicated to Obama and how our government sucks, then you crybabies won't have to read anything that offends you and tarnishes your idol.
I'm Canadian. How is Obama my "idol"?
No matter how many times it's spelled out for you, you just don't get it. We're SICK of all your threads. These threads could be about butterflies or bongos or whatever, it doesn't matter. Enough is enough. Your 'bamabashin' buddies cut you a lot of slack for obvious reasons, but the rest of us are fed up to here with this nonsense.
You have an obsession. It is not healthy.
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As for how I feel about Obama... If he wins it won't have any real effect on me.
And yet you spend countless hours pouring over extremist political blogs so you can cut and paste and post endlessly in O/T.
See what I said above about "obsession". Get professional help. And no, I'm not kidding or being nasty.
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I would suggest that in only OT, "a limit of 3 new threads per 24 hrs by any single member" rule be placed in the posting rules.
Seriously, even that is being rather (dare I say it)... liberal.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
The 2012 presidential election is heating up. The national conventions for both parties are just around the corner and Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are already busy duking it out.
One thing I keep hearing Obama say is how he is for the middle class. He is our friend and savior, says he. If that’s true, then let’s take a look at how his first term of office has helped the middle class.
To begin with, under Obama, the middle class has shrunk while the number of Americans living at or below the poverty line has drastically increased. Millions of middle class families are now finding themselves trying to survive at poverty level incomes and in many instances it’s been devastating to them.
Under Obama’s reign, we have experienced official unemployment levels of over 8% for 42 consecutive months. The broader unemployment figure for June of this year is at 14.9%. This figure accounts for those out of work, forced to work part time only and those who have quit looking for a job.
The second quarter economic growth figure had dropped to 1.5%. Just to sustain ourselves, this figure needs to be at 2% and for actual growth and recovery it needs to be even higher.
A recent study of grocery prices may really tell the story of how the middle class has fared under three and half years of Obamanomics. They looked at the prices of a specific list of groceries just prior to Obama taking office and then used the exact same list of the groceries at today’s prices. Before Obama, the groceries cost $119.16. Today, those same groceries cost $136.49, a 15% increase in just three and half years.
Over the same three and half years, the median income level has fallen, gasoline prices have increased and millions more middle class Americans are out of work.
While I was writing this, one of Obama’s campaign ads came on TV and instead of muting it as I normally do, I listened to what Obama said and took notes. Keep in mind the information above as you read what he said in this campaign ad.
He opened by saying that Romney wants to cut taxes of the people at the very top. That is not accurate. Romney just wants to maintain the current tax cuts on all people that have been in place since Bush was president.
Then he said that cutting the taxes of the rich has been tried before and that this is what caused the mess in the first place. Again, this is not true. Our current economic, jobs and housing problems are the direct results of former President Bill Clinton’s liberal mortgage program.
Then Obama looks straight at the camera and said that he believes the only way to build an economy to last is to strengthen the middle class, asking the wealthy to pay more so we can pay down the debt in a balanced way and invest in education, manufacturing and home grown American energy for good middle class jobs.
The ad ends with the word FORWARD.
Well folks, in his first three and half years, all he has done is to destroy the middle class and push record numbers of them into poverty.
Note that he wants to pay down the debt by taxing the wealthy. He defines the wealthy as anyone making $250,000 a year or more. This includes many small business owners. If Obama is planning on taxing them enough to start paying off the record debt that HE created, they will not be able to afford to put money into their businesses, which means that many of them will not be able to afford to hire more workers and in fact many will end up having to lay off more workers than they already have.
I also thought it interesting that they ended the commercial with the word FORWARD, since all he has accomplished since taking office is BACKWARD. America cannot survive four more years of Obama’s direction.
I don't think that I need to add any comments when my copy and paste says so much already? I am waiting to see if anyone can counter the articles I post. This very seldom happens, as they find it much easier to cry that they are false and then they don't provide anything to back their statements up. I also see that many still haven't learned how to read, or it is beyond their comprehension, that they shoudln't be in this thread acting like non contributing crybabies. And then they insist that I am the troll. Do they really want me to keep my Obama/government sucks threads in here, or should I just start posting them back on the main O/T page?
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Posts: 25484 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
For the most part I agree with Avengador. Obama has cause more destruction to the US than Katrina. I also built my own businessES from the money in my own pocket. Never got a cent from anyone. Not government, friends or family. Obama is responsible for taking it though.
Just yesterday I got a bill from the local state revenue office. Apparently they felt I didnt pay my estimated state income taxes for the year so they levied a fine. I havent made anything since 2008 except social security. Other income I did make, barely covered the cost of keeping my garage open (so I could still work on my own cars) and didnt generate any spendable income. Social Security is not taxable income, so I have not paid any income taxes since 2008. I supplement my SS from my own retirement savings. I called them and they noted my reported income from those last years. I also pointed out that I had sent in returns for all those years from my accountant. I couldnt understand why I would have to make a estimated income tax payment when my expected taxes for 4 years were $0. They acknowleged it was a mistake, and the penalty would be removed and an exemption would be put in my records to be in effect unless I make a reportable income in the future. I dont even have to send in 1040s any more unless I make an income again. With the way the country is at its knees now, I dont forsee that happening in my lifetime again. Ill just take my SS and my savings and enjoy what I have left. Now Obama has to figure out a way, and Im sure he will try, to find some way to grab something more. Maybe he will try to change the law (by Executive Order to avoid Congress) so that Social Security becomes taxable income.
This guy has got to be beaten. 4 more years under his rule will turn the US into a 3rd world country. Were barely 2nd world now.
I completely agree...
I talk about how awesome Ronald Reagan is all the time, but I'm probably the most liberal Republican in this forum. I believe in all the crap that most conservatives would cringe from... big proponent of socialized education, gay rights, gay adoption, etc. I've also voted for more Democrats personally than most of the Republicans on here put together.
But from the standpoint of country, strength of nation, economic power, and pride of nation... Obama has been, quite honestly, the worst president in modern history. What's even more ridiculous about this election is that Obama's supporters seem to be so pleased with what Obama has done, and yet... everything that they complained about with Bush, Obama has taken the reigns and continued on the exact same path. I don't even mean that metaphorically... Obama is STILL using the same budget that Bush passed in September of 2008.
Every war plan, every war program, Obama has taken Bush's plans and simply continued them. Everything that Obama fought against, and Democrats supported him in, he simply disreguarded when he became president.
And yet on the economic side, he has completely destroyed this country. If you want to know why the world is in a great recession, it's BECAUSE the United States is screwing up right now. Under Kennedy - Clinton, America became the world economic leader... when we go down, everyone else goes down. This is NOT a repeate of the great depression. WE went down, because Europe went down. The tables are turned now... we're the **** country and we're passing the batton to nations such as China, Malaysia, etc.
Obama MUST go...
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Patrick: No matter how many times it's spelled out for you, you just don't get it. We're SICK of all your threads. These threads could be about butterflies or bongos or whatever, it doesn't matter. Enough is enough. Your 'bamabashin' buddies cut you a lot of slack for obvious reasons, but the rest of us are fed up to here with this nonsense.
Then why are you in this thread? His politics has been confined to 1 thread. That should make it a cakewalk for you to never have to read another one of his posts. So what do you do? Come into his designated thread and complain.
Seriously - why? You got what you want short of him being banned, so why are you still in the middle of one of his threads?
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Cliff Pennock Administrator
Posts: 11889 From: Zandvoort, The Netherlands Registered: Jan 99
First of all, I want to make it absolutely clear I did not step in because of AV1's opinions but because it was becoming more spamming and less sharing. It was getting incredibly annoying.
I'm no Obama supporter. In fact, my personal opinion is that he's the worst thing that could've happened to your country. But if I were an American, I would vote for him just to piss off avengador1. That's how annoying these posts were becoming.
Perhaps a few tips for AV1. It's really OK to create a few thread about politics. But try to group the stories a bit. You know, create one thread with stories about how Obama sucks as a president. Then create one thread with stories about how Obama sucks as a person. Then perhaps create another thread with stories how much the government sucks. Also, don't cut and paste the story. Just list headlines and a link to the story. Preferably adding them to the first post as you find them so anyone who opens the thread has like an index to related stories. Let the reader decide which story they might find interesting.
That way, you have all related stories neatly grouped together and it's going to be much easier getting your point across. Added bonus: you are not annoying the hell out of people. Heck, perhaps people might even find those threads actually useful!
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
I don't think that I need to add any comments when my copy and paste says so much already? I am waiting to see if anyone can counter the articles I post. This very seldom happens, as they find it much easier to cry that they are false and then they don't provide anything to back their statements up.
This has been accomplished with great ease many times by any number of PFF people, and I could counter the above food increase "article" as well. You will of course counter simply with the ever-present "there's a little truth in each article", key word being little. Now, on to the debunking of yet another bogus article which says much about the fact that food prices increased while Obama has been in office, yet says nothing about why--nor does it or you offer any semblence of a solution--and for good reason--there is none. The increases in grocery prices have nothing to do with who is in the White House, but then, you already knew that. Unless of course, you believe Obama has converted the infamous GWB hurricane machine into a long term drought machine, has somehow influenced an increase in the war refugee population and famine problem elsewhere, has been able to increase expanding foriegn nation's economys and importation of our food chain products, or has somehow been able to alter free market enterprise upwardly to increase and maximize profits thus pain for the consumer. The "little bit of truth" is yes, prices have increased since the huge peak of 2008. The bigger fallacy tho, is that it is somehow Obama;s fault. It is only very recently, (very very) that the food price index exceeded the 2007-2008 peak, and only now, because we are in the worst long term drought in 60 years. The southwest and parts of the SE have been in drought for over 8 years, but this year, the upper midwest breadbasket has been adversely affected as well. Nothing, and nobody is to blame for drought and no political action of any kind can make up for the lack of rain. This would have happened even if McCain had won, It's going to get worse--much worse, and again, it won't matter who is in congress or in the White House. 2007 food prices rose to their highest level in 17 years--up 4% due to the factors — dairy prices driven higher by conglomerates buying up milk supplies, heat waves in Europe and California, demand from emerging markets and the weak dollar. 2008 food prices rose 5.5% on continuing overseas demand, flooding in the midwest, and a continuing drought in the sothwest. The ONLY reason the increase didn't continue at those high rates the first couple years of the Obama presidency is that the recession caused a lessened demand for ALL products worldwide--including food and energy. In short, the real and only truth in that article is the upward spiral of food prices here and abroad is just a continuation of what has already been taking place--with no relief in sight.
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I also see that many still haven't learned how to read, or it is beyond their comprehension, that they shoudln't be in this thread acting like non contributing crybabies. And then they insist that I am the troll. Do they really want me to keep my Obama/government sucks threads in here, or should I just start posting them back on the main O/T page?
I would suggest you simply follow Cliff's very clear instructions. Now go forth, and be confused no longer.
If this is Avengador's Politics Corner, then why are the people who didn't like his posts here at all?
In before the trash can.
Same group that cant just hit the back button when they see something they don't want to read. ( or at least they claim they don't.. sometimes you have to wonder )
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38983 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Originally posted by Patrick: The 'bamabashin' brigade has been fouling everyone else's threads for a couple of years. I'll continue to post where I see fit. .
It will end soon. One way or another.
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Quit asking me back to explain my actions and I'll be quite happy to avoid this political cesspool.
So now I'm the one forcing you to stay here and keep posting? Never mind that you have to keep coming back to the thread to see if I, or anyone else, responded to any of your posts. And you think avendagor needs help?
As far as food prices, energy policy! might not be the whole story but IS a major cause of everything going up and food is no exception . Just going to get my groceries costs me a few dollars more than it used to. Food is going to skyrocket this winter and next spring, but that is going to be from poor crops, due to weather which we all know is the fault of George Bush and his weather machine.
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Posts: 38983 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
As far as food prices, energy policy! might not be the whole story but IS a major cause of everything going up and food is no exception . Just going to get my groceries costs me a few dollars more than it used to. Food is going to skyrocket this winter and next spring, but that is going to be from poor crops, due to weather which we all know is the fault of George Bush and his weather machine.
Hey, but at least you admit it.
Sad thing is, once prices go up, whatever the cause, they never tend to come back down.
These threads could be about butterflies or bongos or whatever, it doesn't matter. Enough is enough..
I thought about this for a very long time. I used butterflies, but I just couldn't figure out how to make it into a workable problem. I'm not sure they can be the same.
Then I got to thinking about how sometimes things that seem of little intrest to us, can still be emotional just becouse of their familiarity. And oppossing feelings like that freak us out a little. And we get..........edgy.
I wonder if sometimes we just feel things to death? Or is it simply just that 'Things fall apart'?
Nowadays, I like Yeats.
THE SECOND COMING
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand; A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Sad thing is, once prices go up, whatever the cause, they never tend to come back down.
I dunno about that. I've viewed a lot of cpi and fpi charts especially in the historical aspect (1-10 yr or longer time frame) and that just doesn't hold true for every year--or even year to year. While prices may never retreat to pre-rise levels, they do have years where they make decided backtracks. Oil isn't at $120/bbl like it once was, and gas (here) is still at $3.30 levels. Hay was selling for $150/round bale here last year--down to $55-$75/bale now. Beef, poultry, and pork are gonna get high--no doubt about it, but I don't think the world will see food riots like we did 1st qtr of 2008. Of course, if some predictions of $17/bu corn come true, all bets are off. I don't think anyone knows exactly how bad the drought has affected the economy yet. One of the things a lot of people don;t understand, is that all that corn that didn't produce ears can't even (in many cases) be ground into silage because a severe lack of moisture in the stalks means high nitrate levels which means it can't be fed to livestock---unless there is plenty of good pasture forage to supplement it--and that forage just doesn't exist in the midwest and southwest. If that region doesn't get rain soon, things are going to get really really bad--worse actually and FDR, Reagan, Obama, and Washington combined couldn't do a thing about it.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
As far as food prices, energy policy! might not be the whole story but IS a major cause of everything going up and food is no exception . Just going to get my groceries costs me a few dollars more than it used to. Food is going to skyrocket this winter and next spring, but that is going to be from poor crops, due to weather which we all know is the fault of George Bush and his weather machine.
The drought isn't helping, but most of the price rise is inflationary. Government borrowing obscene amounts of money, issuing bonds, and printing money to buy the bonds.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
The drought isn't helping, but most of the price rise is inflationary. Government borrowing obscene amounts of money, issuing bonds, and printing money to buy the bonds.
No it isn't. The govt borrowing has absolutely nothing to do with the price of hay and feed caused by drought driven shortages. Has nothing to do with a mild winter causing x2 as much pesticide to be needed in this years crops from Canada to Oklahoma. Has nothing to do with the biggest non-drought enemy of pasture--army worms, Has nothing to do with the huge sell-off of last winter's stocker cattle in Texas and the rest of the SW. Has nothing to do with that selloff now resulting in almost double prices for replacement cattle. Has nothing to do with lower birth and weaning weights--resulting in higher costs for finishing steers. But if it makes ya feel better, go ahead and keep saying it.
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Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
No it isn't. The govt borrowing has absolutely nothing to do with the price of hay and feed caused by drought driven shortages. Has nothing to do with a mild winter causing x2 as much pesticide to be needed in this years crops from Canada to Oklahoma. Has nothing to do with the biggest non-drought enemy of pasture--army worms, Has nothing to do with the huge sell-off of last winter's stocker cattle in Texas and the rest of the SW. Has nothing to do with that selloff now resulting in almost double prices for replacement cattle. Has nothing to do with lower birth and weaning weights--resulting in higher costs for finishing steers. But if it makes ya feel better, go ahead and keep saying it.
I wasn't disputing anything you just said, or placing all of the blame on inflation. But printing money is devaluing the dollar. The only things keeping the value of the dollar up are its reserve currency status, the pricing of oil in dollars and the fact that most of the rest of the world is sucking buttermilk financially.
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Aug 11th, 2012
Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
The Democratic Party, led by “Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Obama,” is more like a religious cult than a political party, asserts talk-radio host Michael Savage.
“I don’t remember a party behaving the way this one has behaved,” the host told his “Savage Nation” listeners.
The president, said Savage, “is not really seen as a political figure as much as he is a religious figure.”
Savage noted film director Spike Lee’s comment, in a CNN interview to be aired tomorrow, that Obama has been seen as “a savior, black Jesus.”
“If you were to ask most of the party adherents whether they consider Obama to be a religious figure,” Savage said, “I would think many of them would say yes.”
Savage said Obama “is a like a Jim Jones or a Baghwan Shree Rajneesh,” referring to the People’s Temple leader who led 909 people to their deaths in Guyana in 1978 and the East Indian guru who founded a town in Oregon in the 1980s that drew followers from all over the world.
“The only thing Obama’s not given to members of the Democratic Party is the Kool Aid,” Savage said.
“Bhagwan Shree Obama,” he said, is “the head guru, who instead of driving 13 Rolls-Royces, drives Air Force One, Two and Three and the U.S. military.”
Obama has “garnered an international following,” he said, “because he espouses the international socialism that is accepted” worldwide.
“He resides in a mansion in D.C. where the cult members come to ask for favors,” the talk host said. “They genuflect before King Obama … sometimes he grants favors. He’s known to make things up as he goes along.”
Michael Savage’s classic “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder” is available at WND’s Superstore
Savage pointed to Nancy Pelosi’s insistence that the spirits of suffragists Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Alice Paul spoke to her at the White House.
Pelosi “sounds like a brainwashed member of a cult,” Savage said, noting she could become speaker of the House again.
“This is the woman who was third in line for the presidency, who shoved Obamacare down our throats.”
In 2008, as WND reported, many of Obama’s campaign events took on the air of a religious rally, with rapturous, and sometimes fainting, faithful filling large arenas in which they breathlessly awaited his appearance to the throbbing beat of what could easily pass for contemporary worship music.
Superior virtue of the oppressed
The Democratic Party, Savage said, “is very much like a cult steeped in victimhood.”
“It is like a cult that walks around with a chip on its shoulder saying, ‘We’re oppressed, and it’s those evil white males in the Republican Party who are keeping us back from our progress.’”
Citing British philosopher Bertrand Russell, Savage said Democrats display “the superior virtue of the oppressed.”
If a person is oppressed, Savage explained, he often assumes he is morally better than others.
For the Democrats, anybody but a white, male Christian heterosexual is considered virtuous, he said.
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh drives by his followers in Oregon in 1982
A “Savage Nation” caller who specializes in helping brainwashed cult members recover agreed with Savage that the Democratic Party bears some of the marks of a cult: an abandonment of reasoning ability and the “perfect storm” of arrogance, elitism and fear.
Democrats, Savage said, have revived the 1960s, promoting their freewheeling, unorthodox dogmas while telling others “your religious traditions are making you uptight.”
“Many of the young twitterers don’t realize they’ve been programmed by a cult,” Savage said.
He offered as an example a conversation he had with a liberal about “climate change” in which he presented the fact that core samples scientists have taken in Antarctica indicate there were many warming and cooling cycles in the climate long before the Industrial Age.
“If you dare challenge it with science, you are considered apostate,” Savage said.
“They just say it’s known, but the process of science requires constant discovery,” he argued.
When you hear them say “all scientists agree, you know it’s a complete lie.”
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Obama is trying to scare up the vote among women by claiming that Mitt Romney will take us back to the 1950s. Not to be outdone, Harry Belafonte said in an interview that the election of Mitt Romney would bring “the end of civilization.” These people are insane.
If President Obama is reelected, he’ll take us back to at least the 1750s. The colonies were at the mercy of Great Britain. King George IIwas born and raised in Northern Germany. Like President Obama, his loyalties were divided. George II led to George III. While we gained our independence, there is no guarantee that we could do it again. The price would be very high.
While the 1950s were not a perfect time (segregation comes to mind), I bet there are a lot of Americans who are nostalgic for much of the decade. Here’s the year-by-year unemployment rate:
I’ll take these 1950’s unemployment numbers over today’s “official” 8.3 percent rate.
The 1950s was a time when it was safe to let your children watch TV and go to the movies without adult supervision.
Compare Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver to The New Normal and Modern Family.
Homosexuals were still in the closet. Killing pre-born babies (abortion) was outlawed. God and prayer were still factors in schools and life in general, even if politicians and courts ignored Him. That hasn’t changed.
It’s not about going back or forward. It’s about do what’s right. Taxing and regulating people are not right – either morally or practically.
Going back in history can serve as a lesson for the future. The Spanish-American philosopher George Santayana (1863–1952) observed that “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” It’s no wonder that liberals are selective of what they want us to remember about the past.
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock First of all, I want to make it absolutely clear I did not step in because of AV1's opinions but because it was becoming more spamming and less sharing. It was getting incredibly annoying.
I will try to contain my stories and concentrate them into singular threads as best as possible. People really need to redirect their anger with me, they should be annoyed that there as so many of these stories out there, and be angered at the reason why this is so. If everything was good and well there wouldn't be as many of these stories. If people prefer to stay in the dark and not be informed, all they have to do is to ignore anything political I post. Fortunately they are not a majority of the people here, but they certainly are vocal. Others have expressed their want for this knowledge so they can make informed decisions on their own. I personally use this forum to catch up on the news, as do others, because it is conveniently all in one place. I like to keep my comments on stories to a minimum, so I can see how people really feel about them. Some stories do not require comments because of the nature of information they contain. I enjoy when opposing comments and views are made on the stories and real proof is offered as to why they may not be true. This is what having a real conversation and discussion is all about. To just discredit a story because one does not like what it says, or because one is on a personal vendetta against the OP, and to offer no proof to back up one's statements, is a disservice to this community. It does not contribute anything to any discussion that may arise, in fact it may even stifle it, plus doing so is basically spamming the thread. People that come into a thread just to claim it's bull, untrue, or to call the OP names, are not demonstrating any skills to carry on an intelligent conversation, they just are demonstrating vitriol and intolerance, or they are just being malicious towards the OP. I do not believe in everything I post, in fact I take most stories I read with a grain of salt, but there always is a nugget of truth in every story, even if most of the story is disinformation. The trick is being able to gleam what this truth is, and that is why discussion is needed. Without the stories and without discussion, one will never learn any truth. Many times we have to wade through a field of mud just to find a nugget of gold. In the end it is worth it. Not every one has the patience to do this, and they don't have to, if others are willing to blaze the trail for them. All they have to do is to remain silent, unless they have something to add that clarifies the discussion.
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I'm way much more of a trailblazer than you are a contributor to this thread. Are you going to add anything to the discussion or are you just here to be an annoying troll?
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Are you going to add anything to the discussion or are you just here to be an annoying troll?
For at least the last year, if not longer. there has been no one more annoying than you posting in this forum.
Seriously, why don't you create and run your own blog page instead of leeching off Cliff Pennock? If you're such a "trailblazer", I'm sure your buddies will continue to visit with you at your own site.
You have an unbelievable sense of self-worth in regards to PFF. It is truly nauseating.
For at least the last year, if not longer. there has been no one more annoying than you posting in this forum.
Seriously, why don't you create and run your own blog page instead of leeching off Cliff Pennock? If you're such a "trailblazer", I'm sure your buddies will continue to visit with you at your own site.
You have an unbelievable sense of self-worth in regards to PFF. It is truly nauseating.
Posting in his threads or talking about him is what he lives for, he's admitted it and admitted that annoying "liberals"(who he considers liberal that is) is what makes him happy. Some people on OT seem to delight in the idea that if an opinion differs from theirs they should be ganged up on and run out of here. It's pathetic IMO.
I think the idea of having one thread for all his C&P drivel is a great idea!!!! I can skip past that one instead scrolling past his numerous hate and fear threads that litter the OT section.
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And you have the audacity to call others crybabies and sore losers as you post your own whining drivel? It looks like a lot more than "liberals" are happy with Cliff's suggestion. 
