I donno, even there if you work harder than the rest around you its still possible to excel and get 'extras'..
This is the first i have heard about it being a private park.. they can get the hell out then. They have NO right to be there if its private and should be arrested for trespassing.
I thought it was posted that the owner was OK with the protesters using his property?
Personally, I don't see why everybody is so upset about Americans using their constitutional rights of protest(as long as they are not breaking any laws). Does the Bill of Rights only apply to those you agree with? I haven't decided which side to take on this, but I have decided that either they have a right to protest, or the Constitution is a sham. Likewise, I support all of your rights to disagree with the protesters (or to agree-not many of those here). Carry on.
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Degrees with no real value? How does one evaluate that? Does everyone who doesn't work in the field that they studied become a dummy? Is there jobs for everyone when they graduate in every field?
So life isn't fair and everyone should just accept that? Everyone seems to be asking what the protestors want without a lot of answers....well besides that they clearly want what they have not earned....really are you sure about that?
Again why is it assumed that none of these people have known hard work?
The market place determines if your/their training is of any value, I thought that was obvious. Dummies? Depends but asking for what you haven't earned doesn't appear to be real bright to me.
Life isn't fair, the sooner you/they accept that fact and start preparing one's self for one's own survival, the better off they will be. As I said, I don't care what the protestors want, if they want something go out and earn it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be protesting for something that they'd already earned and acquired.
Never said they hadn't known hard work, only that they were coveting that which they had not earned.
Many things in life are given, most are earned. Start with respect and then move on to trust. I don't trust or respect those who only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves. Why would you or anyone support those protesting? If you feel so inclined, then most assuredly, give of yourself and your worldly goods and efforts but don't ask those who don't wish to give away what they have. Socialism has proven to be a failure over and over, why does anyone want to try it again. Oh yeah, I forgot, cause someone else has what they want but, they don't want to earn it. Yeah, got it. ------------------ Ron "While you cannot control the length of your life, you can control the width and depth." Live life to it's fullest, you may not see tomorrow.
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The market place determines if your/their training is of any value, I thought that was obvious. Dummies? Depends but asking for what you haven't earned doesn't appear to be real bright to me.
Life isn't fair, the sooner you/they accept that fact and start preparing one's self for one's own survival, the better off they will be. As I said, I don't care what the protestors want, if they want something go out and earn it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be protesting for something that they'd already earned and acquired.
Never said they hadn't known hard work, only that they were coveting that which they had not earned.
Many things in life are given, most are earned. Start with respect and then move on to trust. I don't trust or respect those who only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves. Why would you or anyone support those protesting? If you feel so inclined, then most assuredly, give of yourself and your worldly goods and efforts but don't ask those who don't wish to give away what they have. Socialism has proven to be a failure over and over, why does anyone want to try it again. Oh yeah, I forgot, cause someone else has what they want but, they don't want to earn it. Yeah, got it.
You don't understand!! I spent 60k on a Social Justice degree with a minor in Peace Studies. These evil corps owe me!! They should hire me at 80k in NYC/LA or 60 midwest! I have a I competed ribbon!!
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You don't understand!! I spent 60k on a Social Justice degree with a minor in Peace Studies. These evil corps owe me!! They should hire me at 80k in NYC/LA or 60 midwest! I have a I competed ribbon!!
Gosh, I'm sorry, would you like fries with that Big Mac?
Excellent post BTW.
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The market place determines if your/their training is of any value, I thought that was obvious. Dummies? Depends but asking for what you haven't earned doesn't appear to be real bright to me.
Life isn't fair, the sooner you/they accept that fact and start preparing one's self for one's own survival, the better off they will be. As I said, I don't care what the protestors want, if they want something go out and earn it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be protesting for something that they'd already earned and acquired.
Never said they hadn't known hard work, only that they were coveting that which they had not earned.
Many things in life are given, most are earned. Start with respect and then move on to trust. I don't trust or respect those who only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves. Why would you or anyone support those protesting? If you feel so inclined, then most assuredly, give of yourself and your worldly goods and efforts but don't ask those who don't wish to give away what they have. Socialism has proven to be a failure over and over, why does anyone want to try it again. Oh yeah, I forgot, cause someone else has what they want but, they don't want to earn it. Yeah, got it.
I see, so now they have demands? They are asking for what they haven't earned, please tell us what their other demands are.
Why would I support them. Maybe because I think it might educate some on what has happened and is happening. I can see why people might be upset when these corps and banks (y'know the job creators) are sitting on trillions of dollars while people are suffering, why people might be upset when many of these CEO's and Bankers who were largely responsible for the market crash and recession were bailed out and still manged to pay themselves huge bonuses and continue to hold power.
I don't believe for a second that all these people "only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves". But hey as usual if we generalize and project that on them it sure makes it easier to hate them.
Why would I support them. Maybe because I think it might educate some on what has happened and is happening. I can see why people might be upset when these corps and banks (y'know the job creators) are sitting on trillions of dollars while people are suffering, why people might be upset when many of these CEO's and Bankers who were largely responsible for the market crash and recession were bailed out and still manged to pay themselves huge bonuses and continue to hold power.
I don't believe for a second that all these people "only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves". But hey as usual if we generalize and project that on them it sure makes it easier to hate them.
Corporations do need to have a load of capital to function, so what you are looking for is a cap on that? More smaller corporations? Just looking for executives to get a pay rate closer to an office worker?
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I see, so now they have demands? They are asking for what they haven't earned, please tell us what their other demands are.
Why would I support them. Maybe because I think it might educate some on what has happened and is happening. I can see why people might be upset when these corps and banks (y'know the job creators) are sitting on trillions of dollars while people are suffering, why people might be upset when many of these CEO's and Bankers who were largely responsible for the market crash and recession were bailed out and still manged to pay themselves huge bonuses and continue to hold power.
I don't believe for a second that all these people "only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves". But hey as usual if we generalize and project that on them it sure makes it easier to hate them.
And you AREN'T generalizing--just in another direction? Of course you are.
Are you saying they DON'T covet what others have? I don't come close to hating them. I pity them in their lack of ambition, resolve, and self confidence to do the very simple things that millions and millions have succeeded at before them. Poor wittle babies.
"Wah Wah Wah--those people have millions and I can't earn 'a living wage'--Wah Wah Wah".
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Posts: 37857 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by newf: I see, so now they have demands? They are asking for what they haven't earned, please tell us what their other demands are.
Ok. " What do we want ?" "We don't know" "When do we want it ?" "We want it now !"
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Originally posted by newf: Why would I support them. Maybe because I think it might educate some on what has happened and is happening.
You would support them because they don't know how to educate ? What has happened ? Gooberment rules were followed ? You can not legislate morality, politeness, the will to give charitably, honor, heroism, nor any other self ordained characteristic trait. Caveat emptor ?
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Originally posted by newf: I can see why people might be upset when these corps and banks (y'know the job creators) are sitting on trillions of dollars while people are suffering, ...
It is their money. The lady across the street may lose her home. She has a job. I could scrape up some money and give/loan it to her to aleive her suffering. Why ? Corps and banks are sitting on their money because it does not make sense to use it. aka Nobama/Dumbs.
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Originally posted by newf: ... why people might be upset when many of these CEO's and Bankers who were largely responsible for the market crash and recession were bailed out and still manged to pay themselves huge bonuses and continue to hold power.
The CEO's and bankers played by the rules, gooberment rules. "Loan money to people who can not afford it" Why should CEO's, stock holders, and banks have to take it up the dingle berry to comply with social justice ? Bailed out ? Gooberment decided that they were too big to fail. Gooberment mucked it up then fracked it up.
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Originally posted by newf: I don't believe for a second that all these people "only wish or covet that of others all while doing nothing to earn it themselves". But hey as usual if we generalize and project that on them it sure makes it easier to hate them.
All these people ? I don't see you rallying to the rescuse of those not conservative when this PFF O/T section is described as conservative. Why wouldn't these people align themselves with the Tea Party ? That is my question to you. They are doing nothing to earn it themselves. That or not enough. I am a high school drop out. I have a few black marks on my permanent record. I flat out own my lake place outside of Bandera, have made a good dent on owning the home that I am buying in Kerrville, have an 88 GT T top Fiero, a nice 85 Jeep CJ7 Laredo, a bought, brand new, 05 Tacoma 4X4 Access Cab, ... blah blah blah. How did I do it ? I am also handicapped by being a dumbazz. I should be doing way better. I am my own worst enemy.
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the key to success in the modern world is not hard work
it is making others work hard for low wages while the non-hard workers reaps all the gains
aka take any and all advantages for the owners
a good example is apple steve jobs got mega rich he didnot pay the workers well he did move the jobs to china so they work in a super sweat shop for penny's a day
occupy the world
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the key to success in the modern world is not hard work
it is making others work hard for low wages while the non-hard workers reaps all the gains
aka take any and all advantages for the owners
a good example is apple steve jobs got mega rich he didnot pay the workers well he did move the jobs to china so they work in a super sweat shop for penny's a day
As for demands, last night I saw pictures of what I can only assume is white supremacists holding signs calling for the death of Jews (they were using different names), I also saw pictures of signs posted within the protest saying it was "off limits" to take pictures of sleeping people, garbage, sex, nudity, or anyone that didn't give permission. A lot of topless/naked protesters on both the female, and male side.
Sounds like a great protest to me.
I think this is getting interesting. (especially if they include more nudity)
Brad
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you cant. all you can do is attempt to make it benificial to society, and not a detriment.
and - if you actually look at the movie Idiocracy - it does show capitalisms role in "the failure" as well. the monkeys with all the hair & boners - Cosco - the irrigation problem - commercialization & endless product promotion
And you AREN'T generalizing--just in another direction? Of course you are.
Are you saying they DON'T covet what others have? I don't come close to hating them. I pity them in their lack of ambition, resolve, and self confidence to do the very simple things that millions and millions have succeeded at before them. Poor wittle babies.
"Wah Wah Wah--those people have millions and I can't earn 'a living wage'--Wah Wah Wah".
This fascination you have with coveting, is it fair to say that corporations only covet other peoples money as well? At what point does it become gouging or taking advantage of people?
Yup Wah Wah Wah indeed I think that's what the bankers and Wall Street CEO's were crying when it looked like they screwed the world economy a few years ago...but no worries Daddy was there to give them other peoples money and they gave themselves massive bonuses. But of course that was the lenders fault certainly the banks don't have any checks and balances in place like underwriters to make sure they don't take on too much risk, and they never lied to the public. Then they knowingly packaged these "shitty deals" resold them and took insurance out against their failure, it's almost genius if you didn't consider how many people are suffering because of it.
The unemployment rate in many countries for the young people is double the national average, I really don't think that is because all young people are lazy or didn't pick the right path? I think there is validity to people being upset with the widening gap between the rich and middle class/poor. I don't agree with all these protestors say nor do I think capatalism is inherently unfair. According to some things I've read the last time the gap and unemployment rates were similar was before the great depression , and this seems to be a worldwide problem not just in the U.S.
Anyways I thought you would be happy to see a apocolypse of some kind.
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This fascination you have with coveting, is it fair to say that corporations only covet other peoples money as well? At what point does it become gouging or taking advantage of people?
Yup Wah Wah Wah indeed I think that's what the bankers and Wall Street CEO's were crying when it looked like they screwed the world economy a few years ago...but no worries Daddy was there to give them other peoples money and they gave themselves massive bonuses. But of course that was the lenders fault certainly the banks don't have any checks and balances in place like underwriters to make sure they don't take on too much risk, and they never lied to the public. Then they knowingly packaged these "shitty deals" resold them and took insurance out against their failure, it's almost genius if you didn't consider how many people are suffering because of it.
The unemployment rate in many countries for the young people is double the national average, I really don't think that is because all young people are lazy or didn't pick the right path? I think there is validity to people being upset with the widening gap between the rich and middle class/poor. I don't agree with all these protestors say nor do I think capatalism is inherently unfair. According to some things I've read the last time the gap and unemployment rates were similar was before the great depression , and this seems to be a worldwide problem not just in the U.S.
Anyways I thought you would be happy to see a apocolypse of some kind.
I suggest you take all your money and create all the jobs that you can inventing/creating something you can give away to all the deserving people at the protest sites around the world.
You wont do that, but you want some one else or some corporation to do just that.
That is the issue. These protesters still feel entitled to a job that they don't have the skills to perform. They are the TEAT part of the democratic party.
The real Tea Party actually had a program — less government, less regulation, less taxation, less debt. What’s the Occupy Wall Street program? Eat the rich
I suggest you take all your money and create all the jobs that you can inventing/creating something you can give away to all the deserving people at the protest sites around the world.
You wont do that, but you want some one else or some corporation to do just that.
That is the issue. These protesters still feel entitled to a job that they don't have the skills to perform. They are the TEAT part of the democratic party.
The real Tea Party actually had a program — less government, less regulation, less taxation, less debt. What’s the Occupy Wall Street program? Eat the rich
I suggest you take all your money and create all the jobs that you can inventing/creating something you can give away to all the deserving people at the protest sites around the world.
You wont do that, but you want some one else or some corporation to do just that.
That is the issue. These protesters still feel entitled to a job that they don't have the skills to perform. They are the TEAT part of the democratic party.
The real Tea Party actually had a program — less government, less regulation, less taxation, less debt. What’s the Occupy Wall Street program? Eat the rich
nobody wants a world with out any corporations or to cut off the heads of the rich [or eat them] it would be a good start just to get a little control back to the people and limit the special interests powers some smaller less overpowering corporations who are community based NOT INTERNATIONAL and so powerful they can and do buy governments every day in almost every way
regulation is about limiting damages not destruction of the regulated
you know there is a place with less of everything on your list it is call haiti and the neo-con duvaulists doc's people are back in power haiti looks like a neo-con's dream come to life the few rich own everything no regulations at all mini government and taxes [on the top] I hear one can own semi-slaves there today cheap too !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The problem is the borrowing. On all levels. Personal and government. Let's look at personal finance. It seems that everyone has at least one credit card and they all have a balance. Interest rate is 10-30%. This Interest is profit for the bankers. We borrow money so the corporations have to ramp up production. With ramped up production they need specialized equipment to make the products or they go over seas to find the labor they want. Now the specialized equipment is extremely expensive. So the corporations issue stock (ie borrow) and pay dividends on the stock (interest). And as long as they can find cheaper labor elsewhere that's where they will go. Eventually the wealth ends up in the few that don't borrow and recognize the demand for certain products. This has been going on for a long time now. Of course it doesn't help that the Federal Government got out of the banking industry by turning over the money control to the Federal Reserve. (Which is private by the way). So the money we use was loaned into existance with interest. We borrow so that we don't have to wait to get what we want. And the corporations borrow to supply what we want when we want it. Now we are to the point where we don't care. Now we have a group of people that make promises, and to fill these promises we are taking from the generations that don't even have a say. This will lead to collapse. Taxation without representation. Not to mention that our government does nothing to protect the labor base in this country, it seems that most in government are for free world trade!!!! From the news clips I have seen they are all clueless. Their protests are a complete waste of time and money. The people that are producing wealth in this country are being crushed under debt. The producers are people that take raw materials and turn them into usable goods.We support the retail and wholesale businesses,the rich and the poor, retired, sick, old, young, and last but not least the government. It is not the wealthy. They just happen to find the right people to produce what everybody needs and lately what everybody wants.
My kids are informed and they are POed Rich
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Originally posted by newf: Yup Wah Wah Wah indeed I think that's what the bankers and Wall Street CEO's were crying when it looked like they screwed the world economy a few years ago...but no worries Daddy was there to give them other peoples money and they gave themselves massive bonuses. But of course that was the lenders fault certainly the banks don't have any checks and balances in place like underwriters to make sure they don't take on too much risk, and they never lied to the public. Then they knowingly packaged these "shitty deals" resold them and took insurance out against their failure, it's almost genius if you didn't consider how many people are suffering because of it.
Many lenders did not want to package these deals, it was risky. They were told to by regulations in the name of "everyone deserves a house". What other choice did they have but to take out insurance.
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...The proposals would force banks to make even MORE risky loans to low-income people. Even liberal newspapers like the Village Voice have admitted that “affordable housing” mandates are a key reason for the housing crisis and the massive number of defaulting borrowers. ....
...Economists, investment bankers, and historians have long noted the role of the Community Reinvestment Act and its regulations in promoting the risky lending that spawned the financial crisis. Investors Business Daily has chronicled how “the Community Reinvestment Act” pressured lenders to make the risky loans that led to the mortgage meltdown.
2.5 that is just another BS attack piece NO NUMBERS in it at all you know like the total percent of CRA loans 3% in red line areas [ghettos] and another 3% outside the redlined areas for a grand total of 6% of the market or 94% of the loans were not covered by CRA rules at all and a big share of loans outside the bank S&L system not affected by CRA at all
nor do any of the rightwing attack pieces have numbers of the CRA loans that failed nor the cost of those loans failing hint ghetto home values didnot go up as much as suburban bubble areas there was little speculation driving red lined areas prices [flippers] and post bubble popping those homes didnot fall as much so total less costs but no right wing CRA attack articles ever use NUMBERS for that reason it sounds just like their BS meme of less government regulation is better but never uses real numbers to back their false BS claims
it give a short riff on AIG's roll in the bubble with out details or numbers again or the roll of the mortgage resales, trenching , and credit default swaps and the simple fact over 50% of bubble era home loans were not regulated by the feds at all
it short it is propaganda not a financial report hint financial reports have numbers dates and facts in them your link has NONE
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