you know it is strange
those on the right claim to be for freedom and rights
but line up to support power grabbing PIGS
even after it proven the PIGS violated the flashers rights

just as they claim to oppose state power
but side with the state over the individual's rights

I think opposition to the local and state power grabs
is far more important
then the mindless support for illegal PIGS actions they show here

Ray, I dare you to call a policeman a pig, next time one stops you, and report to us what happened next.

Its illegal in many states to flash your lights for any reason, including to tell the other person they left their brights on. The cops say it is a distraction and a way to insite road rage. I see both sides of it.

other thoughts:
I was talking with a friend once about flashing to warn of a cop ahead. He said why would you want to warn of a speed trap? If they give the other guy tickets they have less need to pull you over for quota.

I too think if you flash your headlights because just over the hill there is a car stuck in snow near the ditch poking out into a lane, you are promoting safety.

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what really pisses me off is that people can hold up large posters of dead babies on the sde of the road and not be considered a distraction (whether your for or agianst abortion is besides teh point) but i cant put my underglows on because its a distraction (and they are solid not flashers). i shake my fist at the lawmakers!!! shun the non believers SHUN!!!!!!

It's all about power. Some folks want to concentrate power with the police, perpetuating our police state (and it is, most assuredly, a police state) while others want to pull some of that power back to the citizens. It has been proven over and over again that the current profession of police is ripe with corruption and abuse.

These folks believe that if only the police had enough power then all crime will go away and they'll be safe, but the fallacy there is that the more power you entrust in an institution (which by definition is amoral) the more power it will seek. It is literally not possible to have too much power in the viewpoint of those that have it.

And therein lies the fundamental flaw in their reasoning...

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It's all about power. Some folks want to concentrate power with the police, perpetuating our police state (and it is, most assuredly, a police state) while others want to pull some of that power back to the citizens. It has been proven over and over again that the current profession of police is ripe with corruption and abuse. These folks believe that if only the police had enough power then all crime will go away and they'll be safe, but the fallacy there is that the more power you entrust in an institution (which by definition is amoral) the more power it will seek. It is literally not possible to have too much power in the viewpoint of those that have it. And therein lies the fundamental flaw in their reasoning...

Much like federal government power.

quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: what really pisses me off is that people can hold up large posters of dead babies on the sde of the road and not be considered a distraction (whether your for or agianst abortion is besides teh point) but i cant put my underglows on because its a distraction (and they are solid not flashers). i shake my fist at the lawmakers!!! shun the non believers SHUN!!!!!!

Thank you that made my day, Charlie. and I agree, I don't like under-glows but it is pretty dumb if anything that helps other cars see you better at night.

quote Originally posted by Syn: Thank you that made my day, Charlie. and I agree, I don't like under-glows but it is pretty dumb if anything that helps other cars see you better at night.

I guess it could be said if they see you better, they see other things less?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I guess it could be said if they see you better, they see other things less?

none of the ones that I've seen are bright enough that it would make you unable to see other things but you do make a good point and that does make sense as well. touche good sir.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I guess it could be said if they see you better, they see other things less?

That's why I keep all my lights off when I drive.

quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: what really pisses me off is that people can hold up large posters of dead babies on the sde of the road and not be considered a distraction (whether your for or agianst abortion is besides teh point) but i cant put my underglows on because its a distraction (and they are solid not flashers). i shake my fist at the lawmakers!!! shun the non believers SHUN!!!!!!

I have no problem with underbody lights as long as they ONLY show red from behind, and no red or blue. Can be mistaken for an emergency vehicle.

As far as flashing them at people too dumb to dim them when coming headon at me, how about I dont flash them and just leave mine on bright too. may the driver with best night vision win.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: That's why I keep all my lights off when I drive.

lol

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Niterrorz: what really pisses me off is that people can hold up large posters of dead babies on the sde of the road and not be considered a distraction (whether your for or agianst abortion is besides teh point) but i cant put my underglows on because its a distraction (and they are solid not flashers). i shake my fist at the lawmakers!!! shun the non believers SHUN!!!!!!

I have no problem with underbody lights as long as they ONLY show red from behind, and no red or blue. Can be mistaken for an emergency vehicle.

As far as flashing them at people too dumb to dim them when coming headon at me, how about I dont flash them and just leave mine on bright too. may the driver with best night vision win.
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be sure to eat your daily amount of carrots!

Drivers should make up a sign to warn other drivers. How about making a "C" with your left hand and sticking it out the window?

I would not recommend doing the ASL version of cop because it can be mistaken for a gang sign:

I make a whirly motion with my index finger, like a cop light twirling.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Its illegal in many states to flash your lights for any reason, including to tell the other person they left their brights on. The cops say it is a distraction and a way to insite road rage. I see both sides of it.

I find it distracting when emergancy vehicles have flashing lights.

quote Originally posted by Xyster: I find it distracting when emergancy vehicles have flashing lights.

Oh I agree. Winter driving in the dark when there is a snowplow around is downright dangerous, they have 2 to 4 white strobes on them, plus usually a revolvong yellow light.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I was talking with a friend once about flashing to warn of a cop ahead. He said why would you want to warn of a speed trap?

That's how I feel about it too. I don't flash if I see a speed trap. I always say to myself "better him than me", but then again I don't speed excessively.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Oh I agree. Winter driving in the dark when there is a snowplow around is downright dangerous, they have 2 to 4 white strobes on them, plus usually a revolvong yellow light.

And yet every winter we have tons of car crashing into the plows. Its at least a weekly event here. You would think drivers would notice them.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: And yet every winter we have tons of car crashing into the plows. Its at least a weekly event here. You would think drivers would notice them.

like a moth to the flame!

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I make a whirly motion with my index finger, like a cop light twirling.

thats excatly what i do and ive seen other do it as well.

I always find it distracting when women are flashing their high beams!

The scumbag cop that gave the guy a ticket is just like a 4 year old with a badge. He is whining and crying. What if a driver flashes his lights to warn for deer?? Gonna write him a ticket then too?? I flash my highbeams to alert other drivers so the theif scumbag cops wont steal more money from people. Cops around me are liitle babies. A cop just yesterday murdered a guy because he had a knife but was over 50 feet away. Cop was upset because the guy didnt listen to him and shot him 5 times. Even though the cops life wasnt in danger. I hope he gets conivcted and goes to jail. Wonder what will happen to him in prison??? HAHA

cops almost never get convicted
the very few who do fight for years on appeals
and the very very few who actually wind up in prison
become trustys or dog boys who are not in the general prison pop
unless they killed the wardens granny or worse

quote Originally posted by Niterrorz: thats excatly what i do and ive seen other do it as well.

See, we are more alike then not! HIGH FIVE!

Flashing high beams are on the same level as using a radar detector - should not be illegal, although you really are impeding the police from doing their job.

Sure, if you flash the beams at someone speeding they will slow down - but only until they pass the cop. Then they speed back up. They are more likely to drive safely for a longer period of time had they been stopped and faced a fine.

My solution? Drive a Fiero with a 4-speed trans without overdrive and 4.10 gears. The car will howl in protest if you go over 70! No cops needed!

quote Originally posted by masospaghetti: Flashing high beams are on the same level as using a radar detector - should not be illegal, although you really are impeding the police from doing their job. Sure, if you flash the beams at someone speeding they will slow down - but only until they pass the cop. Then they speed back up. They are more likely to drive safely for a longer period of time had they been stopped and faced a fine. My solution? Drive a Fiero with a 4-speed trans without overdrive and 4.10 gears. The car will howl in protest if you go over 70! No cops needed!

So you are in the "it's ok to make revenue over safety" group then?

Brad

quote Originally posted by masospaghetti: Flashing high beams are on the same level as using a radar detector - should not be illegal, although you really are impeding the police from doing their job.

How can you prove the intent of a motorist who is flashing his lights? It could be a deer over the ridge, and that cop just happend to be there. lol

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quote Originally posted by masospaghetti: Flashing high beams are on the same level as using a radar detector - should not be illegal, although you really are impeding the police from doing their job.

Is their job to make money off of speeders or to get them to slow down?

I don't know about you, but when I get pulled over, I'm usually in more of a hurry and pissed off than before I got stopped, so I end up driving worse!

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: So you are in the "it's ok to make revenue over safety" group then? Brad

No...I'm saying that warning speeders of a speed trap is not at all promoting safety. It's just allowing speeders to avoid a speed trap. Generally, when something costs money with no benefit (such as a ticket), people do less of it.

Notice I said that people should be able to do what they want and flashing high beams shouldn't be illegal, as it is just a form of communication, and as you say, its impossible to prove what the intent is anyway.

quote Originally posted by masospaghetti: No...I'm saying that warning speeders of a speed trap is not at all promoting safety. It's just allowing speeders to avoid a speed trap. Generally, when something costs money with no benefit (such as a ticket), people do less of it. Notice I said that people should be able to do what they want and flashing high beams shouldn't be illegal, as it is just a form of communication, and as you say, its impossible to prove what the intent is anyway.

I can follow your statement, but it has a huge flaw. Just as people may "be safer" with financial incentive, Cities, and States will increase laws/enforcement/traps to increase revenue.

Here in Missouri they made a law stating that "excess" revenue from traffic stops went to the local schools. Because too many cities were making a huge profit from ticketing.

Now, if all Police, and Government really had our best interests in mind I would be all for whatever, but they rarely do.

Brad

Radio station here in the Twin Cities MN area puts callers on the air who call in to announce where speed traps are on the highways. Thats not illegal at least in MN.