I give chidren more credit in understanding than that.
And this comic is tame compared to a lot of the anti nazi/russia/etc content in mainstream kids comics of the 50's. Most of the kids that read them turned out ok
Good for you, I would like to see some information as to what age children are usually able to differentiate such things. I have no idea but my opinion is that at the ages at which most children are into playing with colouring books they are not able to.
As for the anti Nazi/Russia/etc stuff again I don't really know about it but I would suggest that kids of the 50's were shielded from a lot more than they are these days.
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11:26 PM
blackrams Member
Posts: 33217 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
I never said they didn't, though I'm not sure they need to know all the details at a young age nor do I think that things like "Given the chance, 'they' would do it again" and in another passage, the books reads, "Some Muslim people believe the attacks were a conspiracy caused by Jews." are accurate. I also question the ability of children to distinguish the difference between radical and non-radical in terms of religion. I don't think for a minute that children won't be taught about the events of 9-11 however I do question the teaching of it through a colouring book and the quotes attributed to it.
Like I said I would be equally against a colouring book that protrayed Western Militarys as evil occupiers and murderers of innocent Muslims.
Now, you're talking about parenting and a parent's right to decide when their child is ready to learn. Each has their own time. My children learned the truth on many things early because I believe it's best for them. Not all would agree but, I'm not asking any group and no group has a right to tell me or you that we can't tell the truth. Some may call that teaching hate or love, doesn't really matter as long as it true.
That would lead us to perspective because, it seems the truth is always based on your perspective. Gotta get up early, Cya later.
Life sucks, I wont shroud them from the truth and sugar coat everything like all the bleeding hearts want us to.
Ok, so you're gonna tell your kid about every sick thing there is out there? Even worse, you're gonna tell them that life sucks?Dang... Make sure ya also fill them in on all the other adult things in life, and all the details of the fights you have with your spouse...
Heck, you're free to do as ya please, and I'm sure there are plenty of "those people" filling their kids heads with terrible nightmares about us... (ever see those 'twisted' kids shows they have? Don't wanna look for them right now, but they are pretty terrible...)
Telling little kids about the terrible stuff isn't going to protect them from it. it isn't going to prepare them, or whatever. You gotta BE ther to protect them.
He knows about the tsunami, because he saw stuff about it on tv and at his day care. If he was alive during the events of 9/11, we would have spoken w/ him about it, there's no way in hell I want to teach him about that stuff until he's old enough to comprehend it...
Ok, so you're gonna tell your kid about every sick thing there is out there? Even worse, you're gonna tell them that life sucks?Dang... Make sure ya also fill them in on all the other adult things in life, and all the details of the fights you have with your spouse...
*snip*
I don't think being upfront with kids about major issues, even if not pretty would be the same as telling them about every sick thing out there. Explaining that people are out there that hate us for what we are is not bad and that is why 9/11 happened ( they know.. ) or why we have troops there ( they already know that too ). Explaining how they torture captured service men, would be. Telling them why we say 'don't take candy from strangers', beacuse there are mentally sick people that drive around and steal children. Telling them what happens when they get caught, sure i would wait on that until they are older.
There are of course limits, but i agree with the idea of not hiding the real world from them and that we owe them a bit of truth so they don't grow up disadvantaged when its time to be out there in it, or worse and don't make it there at all since we sheltered them too much.
How would you feel if it was a colouring book sold in the Middle East depicting American Soldiers hunting Afgan citizens for sport?
Yea, you are wrong because it was one soldier, not the entire military like you make it sound.
Trump it up all you want though, I really have learned to not care what you think anymore with your left field mental illness point of view, and I have a feeling I'm not alone.
Ok, so you're gonna tell your kid about every sick thing there is out there? Even worse, you're gonna tell them that life sucks?Dang... Make sure ya also fill them in on all the other adult things in life, and all the details of the fights you have with your spouse...
Heh, I've got a friend who does what I think is possibly the best thing he can as a parent, he "grounds" his kids. Ask them "Are you going to be President when you grow up?" and the answer is a loud "NO!" Ask why, and they will explain that they do not have the wealth, or ties it would take to become President.
Ask what they want to be when they grow up and they all give realistic answers, no "I'm going to be a princess", or "I'm going to be BATMAN!" It's simple, realistic goals like "Join the military so I will have a realistic shot at retirement."
They know the world sucks, that people want to take advantage of them for everything from tests to give the school money, to advertisements on TV. They actually watch out for things that most kids don't even know exist.
Sure it sounds bad from the outside, but these kids are leaps and bounds ahead of others, they don't have to learn that lesson later where kids find out right out of College that life sucks, and the world is not fair. They already know this, and use it to their advantage. They can plan ahead, and just bypass those years where they are in a dead end job thinking they are going places.
Sure it sounds bad from the outside, but these kids are leaps and bounds ahead of others, they don't have to learn that lesson later where kids find out right out of College that life sucks, and the world is not fair. They already know this, and use it to their advantage. They can plan ahead, and just bypass those years where they are in a dead end job thinking they are going places.
Brad
I have a older friend who sheltered their daughter severely, thinking they did her a favor by keeping the bad things away. Now at 30 she is barely able to cook a hamburger ( purely from the aspect that she never has had to ) and is prime to be taken advantage of from the first guy that sees her on the "street" as she trusts everyone implicitly. She has ZERO clue that the world is not to be trusted at face value. AND she is about to be on her own as her mother died 3 years ago, and her father is following closely.
( just now is she realizing this and is terrified.. and her father now realize the mistake they made )
Yea, you are wrong because it was one soldier, not the entire military like you make it sound.
Trump it up all you want though, I really have learned to not care what you think anymore with your left field mental illness point of view, and I have a feeling I'm not alone.
Brad
Really? I think you may be reading too much into what I wrote, I clearly linked an article that explains how many were involved.
I did not intend to make it sound like the entire Military anymore than people make it sound like all of any group. I know perfectly well it was a SMALL NUMBER soldiers that committed those acts and are not a representation of the Military as a whole.
Why not find someone else to have your periodical rant at, it's getting old, and I have a feeling I'm not alone as well.
BTW what was the term you like to use for people that throw out personal insults again?
EDIT: I thought myself and blackrams had a reasonable discussion, he made some good points as did others, not sure how that makes my opinion a form of mental illness.... but feel free to explain yourself.
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Heh, I've got a friend who does what I think is possibly the best thing he can as a parent, he "grounds" his kids. Ask them "Are you going to be President when you grow up?" and the answer is a loud "NO!" Ask why, and they will explain that they do not have the wealth, or ties it would take to become President.
Ask what they want to be when they grow up and they all give realistic answers, no "I'm going to be a princess", or "I'm going to be BATMAN!" It's simple, realistic goals like "Join the military so I will have a realistic shot at retirement."
They know the world sucks, that people want to take advantage of them for everything from tests to give the school money, to advertisements on TV. They actually watch out for things that most kids don't even know exist.
Sure it sounds bad from the outside, but these kids are leaps and bounds ahead of others, they don't have to learn that lesson later where kids find out right out of College that life sucks, and the world is not fair. They already know this, and use it to their advantage. They can plan ahead, and just bypass those years where they are in a dead end job thinking they are going places.
Brad
I hear ya there, about not fillin yer kid with a bunch of BS - That "Princess" crap. be realistic, but life doesn't "suck", it IS. Guess it's a matter of pespective. Life's not candy and roses, but it's not rotting corpses and feces-pie.
You are responsible for your actions You are the one who is steering your own boat. You have to work hard and be willing to accept challenges. Not everyone is 'nice'. Be good.
I can already see that my son is not leaning on becoming a cutthroat bastard. He makes sure if he is offered something, that there is enough for others as well. He makes a very vocal point of it. He does not have hatred in his heart, but he sure doesn't take sh*t from anyone. I won't shelter him from the evils of the world, but I won't expose him to things I decide he isn't ready to comprehend... he CAN be somthing great someday, but he won't achieve it unless he works his ass off and focuses like a laser on his goals. He'll be more likely to do so if he isn't distracted by all the crap which glorifies mediocrity. But a parent can only do SO much...and dammit, I'm gonna focus on making him as awesome as humanly possible.
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11:04 PM
blackrams Member
Posts: 33217 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Rumor, Sounds like you've got that parenting thing down pretty well. Kudos to you and the mother figure, little lady, wife girlfriend or significane other (I think that covers about all the possibilities).
Rumor, Sounds like you've got that parenting thing down pretty well. Kudos to you and the mother figure, little lady, wife girlfriend or significane other (I think that covers about all the possibilities).
I'm far from being a perfect parent, and I eff up all the time, but I sure as hell know that my son has the potential to positively affect the world, and I don't want him to hate groups of people because of some evil individuals. I'll prepare him for as much of what the world may present to him, but I don't want to twist his head all around by filling it with the stuff which twists adults' heads...
Life's tough enough as it is for a kid today...
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33217 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
