quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Go ahead, diss away! I've said the same thing. And not only Indiana but Michigan and Illinois as well. It's crazy. Walk through any mall in the Midwest and 90% of the people you see look like Kirstie Alley on her worst day....regardless of race. It's scary.....and that old line "She's just big boned" don't cut it anymore. No, she's not....she's FAT!

Yeah, and not to mention that all that extra fat requires a lot of extra food to maintain. That means we as Americans probably eat 30% more food than we should! That food could otherwise be sold to other countries.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Go ahead, diss away! I've said the same thing. And not only Indiana but Michigan and Illinois as well. It's crazy. Walk through any mall in the Midwest and 90% of the people you see look like Kirstie Alley on her worst day....regardless of race. It's scary.....and that old line "She's just big boned" don't cut it anymore. No, she's not....she's FAT!

I'm from the Midwest, and when Don and I went to the beach this past weekend, I was honestly blown away by how fit everyone was. I saw six packs and thin girls all over the place, and to me that was just crazy! So I can attest to that.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I'm from the Midwest, and when Don and I went to the beach this past weekend, I was honestly blown away by how fit everyone was. I saw six packs and thin girls all over the place, and to me that was just crazy! So I can attest to that.

Ha! I bet if you checked IDs, the majority of them would probably be under 21. I watched the 4th fireworks a the beach as well and saw quite a few "fit' folks myself but I guess they were all my daughter's age or younger. Most of the ones my age looked like someone shoved an air hose up their keisters.

As a sidebar, when did 12-16 year old girls start being built like strippers? There's just gotta be something in the food nowadays. I would see someone from the back and immediately felt ashamed when she turned around.....a face like a 12 year old and a body like an extremely well-endowed 21 year old. Maybe that's a pre-obesity thing going on.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Ha! I bet if you checked IDs, the majority of them would probably be under 21. I watched the 4th fireworks a the beach as well and saw quite a few "fit' folks myself but I guess they were all my daughter's age or younger. Most of the ones my age looked like someone shoved an air hose up their keisters. As a sidebar, when did 12-16 year old girls start being built like strippers? There's just gotta be something in the food nowadays. I would see someone from the back and immediately felt ashamed when she turned around.....a face like a 12 year old and a body like an extremely well-endowed 21 year old. Maybe that's a pre-obesity thing going on.

I know... it's just not right, seriously. When I was 12 years old, I was interested in girls, but girls still looked like girls... and when I was in high school, girls who were in middle school REALLY looked young... you'd never even conceive of dating them. Now, the girls who are in middle school are looking like they're in their first or second year of college (developmental wise). I remember reading a study too which suggested that girls are starting to have their periods younger and younger too. My guess is that it's probably the chemicals in the foods we eat which are causing girls to hit puberty sooner than later. Pretty messed up. Girls end up missing a lot of their childhood and become adults WAAAY too quickly.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: As a sidebar, when did 12-16 year old girls start being built like strippers? There's just gotta be something in the food nowadays. I would see someone from the back and immediately felt ashamed when she turned around.....a face like a 12 year old and a body like an extremely well-endowed 21 year old. Maybe that's a pre-obesity thing going on.

rBGH.. making underage girls look like strippers for almost 2 decades.. just now they all DRESS like strippers, too. Get those IDs fellas, 15 will get you 20.

My 13 year old niece dresses like this, it sickens me that my sister allows it to happen. Pregnant by 15, I imagine. Just sad.

http://www.consumethisfirst.../09/20/is-rbgh-safe/

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yeah, and not to mention that all that extra fat requires a lot of extra food to maintain. That means we as Americans probably eat 30% more food than we should! That food could otherwise be sold to other countries.

I read something somewhere showing where it takes less food for an overweight person to remain fat. That's one of the reasons it's so hard to lose it all.

I'll have to dig for the article, but basically your metabolism slows down to the point where more of what you eat is stored, and "fit" people burn more off, and therefore require more intake to "maintain".

The way it works a skinny, fit person takes in (just to have a number) 2000 calories a day, and stays fit.
A fat, out of shape person takes in 1500 calories, and gains weight.
to lose weight the fit person could take away an 8th of what he/she takes in, and have a noticeable difference. The fat person would have to drop about half of his/her intake to be able to overcome the low metabolism.

Brad

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Portion control is what I'm really focusing on right now. I've made a lot of progress in that area too.

A simple tactic that seems to work for me is to only eat when my stomach is empty. If you get in the habit of "topping off" your stomach, like the gas tank in your car, your blood sugar/fat/cholesterol/etc levels will be constantly elevated. That's not healthy. So basically, it's not time to eat unless your tummy is rumbling.

Also, keep in mind that weight is not the end-all be-all of good health. For example, a person who has a few pounds of extra fat, but leads an active life, will tend to be healthier than a skinny couch potato.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: A simple tactic that seems to work for me is to only eat when my stomach is empty. If you get in the habit of "topping off" your stomach, like the gas tank in your car, your blood sugar/fat/cholesterol/etc levels will be constantly elevated. That's not healthy. So basically, it's not time to eat unless your tummy is rumbling. Also, keep in mind that weight is not the end-all be-all of good health. For example, a person who has a few pounds of extra fat, but leads an active life, will tend to be healthier than a skinny couch potato.

I've learned the past few months not to top off my stomach. My boss kept feeding me SO much food, even if I said no because he thought I "was just being nice". I finally told him that I appreciate it, but I'm not afraid to say if I want some food. If I say I'm not hungry it's because I mean it. It's gotten a lot easier after that.

My parents always taught me to eat everything on my plate "or else I couldn't have desert". Well, I don't really eat desert anymore, but it was hard for me to get out of that habit and start eating until I wasn't hungry anymore. I don't eat until I'm "full". I eat until I'm satisfied. The difference is HUGE! But I'm still learning even more what's healthy and not healthy.

I know I am healthy. But I want my body to show that as well. To me, the biggest reason to stay active is for looks. At 20 years old I don't really think about health even though I should. I just wanna look good.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Go ahead, diss away! I've said the same thing. And not only Indiana but Michigan and Illinois as well. It's crazy. Walk through any mall in the Midwest and 90% of the people you see look like Kirstie Alley on her worst day....regardless of race. It's scary.....and that old line "She's just big boned" don't cut it anymore. No, she's not....she's FAT!

Didn't they change the dress sizes so they wouldn't feel bad?
Think 5'4" 145lbs is a size 3 now!

ive been saying there needs to be a fast food like place that just have veggies. i know that would be a great hit in the right areas. like around college campuses.

quote Originally posted by americasfuture2k: ive been saying there needs to be a fast food like place that just have veggies. i know that would be a great hit in the right areas. like around college campuses.

Healthy food would be incredibly hard to keep on a quick and cheap basis, which is why it just isn't done. The closest things are sandwich shops. Mr. Goodcents... mmmmmm

there was a theory floated recently regarding how bottle feeding plays into this.
with bottle feeding, the bottle gets stuffed in the kids mouth, and it sucks it up, and fills its little belly.
with breast feeding, the belly doesnt "get filled"
now - there is an associated comfort with the "belly filling".


and, now on to the topic title:
perhaps, there can be scales placed at entrances to "prepared food establishments" ..... you can guess the rest.....

or say - screw it - not your problem? but - it is. if you pay into health insurance of any kind - you are payign for fatties. you are paying for their blown knees. because they do blow their knees out. you are paying for their insulin. you are paying for their heart surgeries. these loads ARE the reason for the "health care industry" problems. and, there are other little things like the added fuel costs. it takes extra beefy vehicle to haul these beast about. trucks. vans. etc. tho - it is cute when you see a fatties crawl into a fuel sipper. things looks like it may tip over upon entry & exit.
enough shame?

just remembered a great line from "Anger Management", when Sandler was at the Bhudda Temple:
Why would anyone take self-control advice from a 600 pound man?

Georgians: The other pork meat

Georgia doubles number of fat people
12:26 pm July 7, 2011, by George Mathis

Americans aren’t tightening their belts amid these difficult economic times, they’re just buying sweat pants.


Even our pets are portly.
“Twelve states now have obesity rates above 30 percent. Four years ago, only one state was above 30 percent,” states a report entitled “F as in Fat” by Trust for America’s Health.

Further evidence that Southern moms cook best: “The obesity epidemic continues to be most dramatic in the South, which includes nine of the 10 states with the highest adult obesity rates.”

Georgia adults are fairly slim compared to our Deep (Fried) South brethren, we’re ranked No. 17 with 28.7 percent of us considered obese, or 30 pounds or more overweight.

We used to be a lot healthier: “Fifteen years ago, Georgia had an obesity rate of 13.8 percent and was ranked 34th most obese state in the nation. The obesity rate in Georgia doubled over the last 15 years.”

“Diabetes rates have doubled in ten states including Georgia in the past 15 years. In 1995, Georgia had a diabetes rate of 4.2 percent. Now the diabetes rate is 9.7 percent.”

I blame the children, who I’ve seen put Coca-Cola in their breakfast cereal and sit on the couch playing video games instead of learning a decent changeup or even a palmball.

Or is it the parents?

Here’s some more interesting tidbits from the report:

Nearly 33 percent of adults who did not graduate high school in Georgia are obese compared with 21.5 percent of adults who graduated from college or a technical college.
More than 33 percent of adults who earn less than $15,000 per year in Georgia were obese compared with 24.6 percent of adults who earn $50,000 or more per year.
21.3 percent of children and adolescents (ages 10 – 17) in Georgia are considered obese, second only to Mississippi.
In 1995, no state had an obesity rate above 20 percent. Now, all but one, Colorado, does.
Top 10 most obese states:

1. Mississippi (34.4%)

2. Alabama (32.3%)

3. West Virginia (32.2%)

4. Tennessee (31.9%)

5. Louisiana (31.6%)

6. Kentucky (31.5%)

7. Oklahoma (31.4%)

8. South Carolina (30.9%)

9. Arkansas (30.6%)

10. Michigan (30.5%)


http://blogs.ajc.com/news-t...umber-of-fat-people/

I'm not in the least bit shocked that Michigan made the Top 10.

Aren't those the Hick states that basically hunt and kill their own food to eat and let no fat, guts or gristle go to waste? That explains the numbers......other than Michigan

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: Taking away that fat people smell bad, they do increase healthcare cost tremendously with increases in diabetes and heart disease. It is an epidemic.

So does old people trying to hold on to the last thread, but we don't complain about them :P

Also diabetes can be like genetic. I know 3 people, who obtained diabetes before they were 12 (6, 9, and 11 year olds). They're all older than 25 now. And have never been at 1 point in their lives close to being obese. I can link their facebooks to you :P

I don't care how much people eat. Changing diet or losing weight doesn't have any problems that affect me directly.
Yeah health care is expensive I guess, but obese people are far from the only cause of this. Just think about how much your health care costs next time you see a Doctor driving a Alpina B7 or a Z8 or something.
If someone is fat or overweight, they're only affecting themselves.

Now smokers, they're almost always SOO defensive over being told who's face they're allowed to blow their smokes into, and where.
Obese people don't give me headaches. I don't even think twice about them being overweight when I see them squeeze through a tight spot. It's them. It's their own shape. Forget about it. I see body art (piercings/tattoos/etc) the same as I do obesity. It's just how someone chooses to look.

But when I'm in a public place trying to enjoy a burger and fries that I just paid 12$ for, I don't want to breath in plant ashes. Much less, plant ashes that don't have a good scent to them lol.

http://www.reuters.com/arti...dUSTRE76A6QG20110711

16 lb 1oz baby born in North Texas over the weekend. That's more than double my birth weight, but then I was a twin--still double any of my 4 kids' birthweight too. Wonder what he will look like in 16 years? Obviously, largeness runs in his family with the father being 6'6" and an uncle at 6'8".



(photo courtesy of UPI)

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yeah, and not to mention that all that extra fat requires a lot of extra food to maintain. That means we as Americans probably eat 30% more food than we should! That food could otherwise be sold to other countries.

Or converted to ethanol...

Actually, some obese people don't take care of their bodies very well, and in some cases..... well... they smell bad! I would rather smell cig. smoke at dinner than bad B.O. What about the obese person next to you on a plane, in coach? The person is spilling out of their seat. Finally... health care costs are on the rise because of obesity related diseases, and that means everyone will pay more (those who pay for insurance, currently... and the rest of you when Obamacare is in full force). At least smokers die while diabetes related illnesses linger. If a legal product such as tobacco is singled out, then so should alcohol, and any processed food/drinks. Everything should come with a warning label with gross photos!

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Actually, some obese people don't take care of their bodies very well, and in some cases..... well... they smell bad! I would rather smell cig. smoke at dinner than bad B.O. What about the obese person next to you on a plane, in coach? The person is spilling out of their seat. Finally... health care costs are on the rise because of obesity related diseases, and that means everyone will pay more (those who pay for insurance, currently... and the rest of you when Obamacare is in full force). At least smokers die while diabetes related illnesses linger. If a legal product such as tobacco is singled out, then so should alcohol, and any processed food/drinks. Everything should come with a warning label with gross photos!

The smelling thing is a "You don't take care of yourself" deal, not a fat person deal. I've seen loads of skinny people that smell rancid--oftentimes worse than fat people. But Big Martha in high school smelled horrible. It was hard not to walk behind her because she took up half the hallway, but everyone would try their hardest to steer clear. I never had a class with her so I never talked to her and rarely saw her, but that girl was BIG.

quote Originally posted by IMSA GT: Aren't those the Hick states that basically hunt and kill their own food to eat and let no fat, guts or gristle go to waste? That explains the numbers......other than Michigan

Michigan is also a big hunting state
and - there is (was?) the UAW workers

quote Originally posted by theBDub: The smelling thing is a "You don't take care of yourself" deal, not a fat person deal. I've seen loads of skinny people that smell rancid--oftentimes worse than fat people. But Big Martha in high school smelled horrible. It was hard not to walk behind her because she took up half the hallway, but everyone would try their hardest to steer clear. I never had a class with her so I never talked to her and rarely saw her, but that girl was BIG.

If you can't reach it to clean it... it doesn't get clean.

No one has mentioned imigration. I don't know about the rest of you but I have yet to meet a non-obese mexican. Their diets are loaded with fat and they have accounted for a huge increase in the resident population over the past 30 years, the same time frame as America's expanding waist line.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: Michigan is also a big hunting state and - there is (was?) the UAW workers

Aren't UAW workers the same ones that fought tooth & nail regarding 'smoking on the assembly line?
http://www.macombdaily.com/...srv0000007127711.txt


I'm telling you, smokers are truly the dumbest people on the planet. How dumb can a person be if a package of cigarettes contain warning labels and now they're going to use pictures? I have a 51 year old cousin who smoked like a train and now has lung cancer. While in his twenties you couldn't tell him to stop smoking. He's comments were at that time, "You going to die someday anyway."

I was watching the best of Car Warriors were one of the workers nearly collapsed from exhaustion and lack of sleep during a 72 hours build. They called the paramedics, supplied oxygen and what does the dude do? He takes the mask off, takes a puff, and puts the mask back on-really idiotic.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: No one has mentioned imigration. I don't know about the rest of you but I have yet to meet a non-obese mexican. Their diets are loaded with fat and they have accounted for a huge increase in the resident population over the past 30 years, the same time frame as America's expanding waist line.

I've met many Mexicans that were underweight. Few that were overweight.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I'm telling you, smokers are truly the dumbest people on the planet

Sounds like something a bigot would say. Really, think about it.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Aren't UAW workers the same ones that fought tooth & nail regarding 'smoking on the assembly line? http://www.macombdaily.com/...srv0000007127711.txt I'm telling you, smokers are truly the dumbest people on the planet. How dumb can a person be if a package of cigarettes contain warning labels and now they're going to use pictures? I have a 51 year old cousin who smoked like a train and now has lung cancer. While in his twenties you couldn't tell him to stop smoking. He's comments were at that time, "You going to die someday anyway." I was watching the best of Car Warriors were one of the workers nearly collapsed from exhaustion and lack of sleep during a 72 hours build. They called the paramedics, supplied oxygen and what does the dude do? He takes the mask off, takes a puff, and puts the mask back on-really idiotic.

Do you do any of the following? Eat meat, eat raw food, drive, fly, dive, skydive, take medication, use petroleum products, walk outside, stay inside, ride a bike, watch TV, eat snacks, use the bathroom, use cleaners, use chemicals, drink alcohol, drink water, and finally.. did you take a breath recently.... In one form or another any of these activities can/will kill you. My brother smoked and he died from melanoma. Smokers, like anyone else are enjoying a LEGAL product. People die everyday and most of them don't smoke. People get sick everyday and most of them don't smoke. Yes, inhaling smoke is bad, but I wouldn't call driving 100+MPH safe either.... we all make choices and if people want to smoke, they should have the right to do it in a reasonable fashion. Just like you can't drive 100mph on a city street...

As for cig. smokers and their need to puff.... it is the nicotine that they are craving and plus the comfort the act brings to them.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Sounds like something a bigot would say. Really, think about it.

big·ot –noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.


No belief, nor opinion, and/or creed -just the facts ma'am. I implore to you visit your local hospital nearest you. Talk to cardiologist, radiologist, and anyone one working in the medical field.

Alcoholism and Drug Dependence Are America's Number One Health Problem

Substance abuse crosses all societal boundaries, affects both genders, every ethnic group, and people in every tax bracket.
There are more deaths and disabilities each year in the U.S. from substance abuse than from any other cause.
About 18 million Americans have alcohol problems; about 5 to 6 million have drug problems.
Heavy drinking contributes to illness in each of the top three causes of death: heart disease, cancer and stroke.
Alcohol and drug abuse costs the American economy an estimated $276 billion per year in lost productivity, health care expenditures, crime, motor vehicle crashes and other conditions.
Untreated addiction is more expensive than heart disease, diabetes and cancer combined.
Like other diseases, addiction can be overcome with proper treatment, prevention and more research.

* Source: America's Number One Health Problem, NCADD Fact Sheet, September 2002


The director of the USA's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has declared that obesity is the nation's number one health problem. Dr Julie Gerberding said that US citizens are far more likely to die from diseases like cancer, heart disease, and diabetes, that are caused by bad lifestyle choices such as smoking, eating too much and exercising too little, than they are to die from diseases such as West Nile virus infection, SARS, anthrax, or smallpox. Statistics show that 65% of US adults are overweight or obese, and in three states - Louisiana, Mississippi, and West Virginia - 25% of adults are obese. The top five causes of death in the US are heart disease, cancer, stroke, lung disease, and accidents. However, obesity is the leading cause of the top three killers. Gerberding says that one of her first acts as director was to open stairwells and turn off some of the elevators.

SOURCE/REFERENCE: Reported by www.reutershealth.com on the 29th October 2003.


1. Childhood Obesity

Childhood obesity continues to outrank all other health problems as the number-one concern for children in the U.S. While 35 percent of adults believed childhood obesity was a major problem in 2008, that number increased to 42 percent in 2009. And for the first time, all three major ethnic groups (white, Hispanic and black) agree that obesity is the most pressing concern facing American children.

Rates of childhood obesity have tripled in the last 25 years, putting many children at risk for diabetes and heart disease, according to a report in Academic Pediatrics. Overweight and obese children are also likely to experience a lowered quality of life, an increased likelihood of contracting several serious disorders and a potential reduction in life expectancy.

There are numerous approaches to treating childhood obesity, but all boil down to a change in diet and lifestyle. Learning to eat well and incorporate physical activity into daily life can be made simpler by getting help from a weight-loss camp for children and teens or weight-loss boarding school.

Wellspring offers fit camps all across the country and weight-loss boarding schools in North Carolina and California, which emphasize a low-fat diet, regular physical activity and sustainable lifestyle change. Behavioral coaches help young people address the emotional issues underlying their weight problem and get them motivated to make health their top priority.

2. Drug Abuse

According to the UM National Poll, 36 percent of U.S. adults rate drug abuse as a serious problem for children. In fact, drug abuse has held the number-two spot since 2007.

Although rates of illegal drug abuse among teens have been declining over the past few years, abuse of prescription medications and over-the-counter cough medicines remain at high levels, according to the latest Monitoring the Future survey by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The most common drugs abused by children and teens include alcohol, marijuana, inhalants, and over-the-counter and prescription medications.

Despite the prevalence of teen drug abuse, reports suggest that only 10 percent of adolescents needing help for substance abuse problems actually receive treatment. Research shows that a majority of teens requiring substance abuse treatment also need treatment for co-occurring mental health issues, such as depression, anxiety, trauma, or emotional or behavioral disorders.

The key to combating drug abuse among children and adolescents is finding high-quality drug rehab programs that specialize in treating youth. There are a number of wilderness therapy programs, therapeutic boarding schools and teen residential treatment centers that focus on preventing and treating adolescent substance abuse. These therapeutic programs for teens have proven highly effective in stopping drug abuse and addressing co-occurring mental health issues while healing strained family relationships and getting teens back on track in school.

3. Smoking

Holding the number-three spot, down from number one in 2007, is smoking, with 32 percent of U.S. adults rating it as a major problem for young people.

It is estimated that at least 4.5 million U.S. adolescents are cigarette smokers. Each day, nearly 6,000 children under 18 start smoking, and nearly one-third of those youth become regular smokers. Cigarette smoking during childhood and adolescence produces significant health problems, including an increase in respiratory illnesses, decreased physical fitness, and potential retardation in lung growth and lung function.

Prevention is critical when it comes to teen smoking. Make sure your children know that you disapprove of the habit and set a good example by avoiding cigarettes yourself. If your teen is already addicted to nicotine, talk about why they are smoking and ways to quit such as hanging out with friends who don't smoke or getting involved in new activities.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: big·ot –noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. No belief, nor opinion, and/or creed -just the facts ma'am. I implore to you visit your local hospital nearest you. Talk to cardiologist, radiologist, and anyone one working in the medical field.

Nice try, your statement was that of prejudice, period. The first step towards bettering yourself is to see you have a problem.

http://news.sky.com/skynews...cle/201107216028300?

Read the comments section
This man has had a life career as a Policeman. He has a very good pension from the Force, a National Pension, and a family. He has technically earned all the Pensions, and that goes with his job. But I am willing to bet he can afford to get his own treatment. And he can afford Lawyers to represent him? Save that money, and go private. Or else...learn self control.
I could be completely wrong, but I think that diabetes doesn't always cause obesity, more like obesity causes diabetes. Except in people who 'inherit' nthe gene that makes them susceptible to suffering from diabetes.
Nick

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: The point is that smoking is no worse than obesity.... and the fact is that people die every day from risky activities, which can not be discounted. If I take your comments about smoking and obesity, it is like asking who will drown quicker, the guy with 20lb cement shoes, or the guy with 30lbs cement shoes.

Dude, if you want to use comparisons related to death/risky behavior to that of "smoking," please be my guess, but that wasn't the subject.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Then you tell me what do you call a person who continues to smoke (despite the countless physical examples, warning labels, and/or their own physical effects from smoking) smart?

No, it is called a choice.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I've met many Mexicans that were underweight. Few that were overweight.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/...verweight-obese.aspx

Obesity in hispanics is higher than the national average.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: No, it is called a choice.

No. It's called "risk."