Run 5 miles, 5 days a week, don't eat any carbs for dinner, and eat only all natural foods, and keep your calory intake to no more than 2,300 calories.
In 1 year, you'll have 2% body fat.
BUT... who here has the will power to do that? Not me...
Run 5 miles, 5 days a week, don't eat any carbs for dinner, and eat only all natural foods, and keep your calory intake to no more than 2,300 calories.
In 1 year, you'll have 2% body fat.
BUT... who here has the will power to do that? Not me...
Even walking 5 miles a day would get you there as far as the exercise goes... studies show slower ambulation burn just as many calories as jogging or running, sometimes more. The running just gets you there faster, but the motion and continued exercise (albeit slower) when walking is just as good for you and has less risk of elevating your heartbeat to dangerous rates.
I walk a min. 3 miles a day, 6 days a week. Its the best I got... run? Maybe if I am being chased. A few months back I thought I was going to take up my 5 mile jog daily. Well, I did the 5 miles, and promptly never did it again after it felt like my chest was going to cave in.
Why we let ourselves get away from exercising is beyond me.. its always twice as hard to get back into it as to just keep doing it.
Im hittin 70 years old & have become a FAT sloppy Porker .look pregnant shoot fat people over 21 on sight,special permit bow & arrow season Put profitable bounty on the obese those over 300 pounds would pay a bonus for every pound over 300 direct hit ,dead center by Automobile pays extra ,keep the ugly fat pigs off the street girdle sales would skyrocket special rate on bulldozer burials older than 55 & fat,BONUS Hunters MUST have permit & use humane 30.06 caliber or larger the porkers can shoot back,the only flaw in the plan get em while they have a donut in thier hand Remember if you hang out with people fatter than you,, you appear thin A fat person in a motorized wheelchair ??Bonus because of double waste my girl friend cant cook,,but she knows whats cooking he who indulges,bulges most fat people would rather die than diet. I eat like Im fattening myself for the BBQ market the magnet in my head is drawn by the steel refrigerator door
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25210 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Even walking 5 miles a day would get you there as far as the exercise goes... studies show slower ambulation burn just as many calories as jogging or running, sometimes more. The running just gets you there faster, but the motion and continued exercise (albeit slower) when walking is just as good for you and has less risk of elevating your heartbeat to dangerous rates.
I walk a min. 3 miles a day, 6 days a week. Its the best I got... run? Maybe if I am being chased. A few months back I thought I was going to take up my 5 mile jog daily. Well, I did the 5 miles, and promptly never did it again after it felt like my chest was going to cave in.
Why we let ourselves get away from exercising is beyond me.. its always twice as hard to get back into it as to just keep doing it.
Still, 38 lbs. since Xmas.. I am getting there.
Hah... did you see how I spelled calorie above, just noticed that.? You know though... about the crazy heart rate... As you work yourself more and more, you'll eventually be able to get back to that running.
I haven't run in over a month now... lame, I know, and it's already started to take it's toll. I'm looking forward to having the time to start running again. When I finally complete my move in two weeks. I won't have anything to do anyway except read books. No garage, no car stuff, no gardening... so I'm going to have plenty of time to work out. I might make that my new hobby.
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Posts: 2573 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Oct 2009
How many wild animals do you see with their abdominal muscles or ribs visible? A vet would tell you they are malnourished. Wild animals are not some pure ideal we should all live up to. Everyone who makes that arguments refers to predators. What about pigs, cows, bears, etc..? Ever seen a snake who tried to eat something too big and it splits him open? Animals eat as much as they can because there is no guarantee when the next meal is. Isn't this exactly what everyone was just saying is our problem? Eating too much at a time?
Like any problem in this world the cause is never so simple as, "eat less exercise more", or "genetics make me fat."
Ignore the methodology of the studies? Some of us don't learn. Have the goalposts been moved? Who is leaner, Marilyn Monroe or Julia Roberts? Are people pretty much the same size (proportionately) as ever? Or has the aesthetic standard changed?
Evil Food industry? How bout evil fashion industry, evil Hollywood, evil cosmetics industry, evil health food industry, etc....
I believe a number of factors are increasing obesity, IMO:
1. More white collar vs. blue collar jobs. 2. Reduction in smoking over the years. Which is worse? Dying to smoking related diseases or obesity related diseases? If you are over 50 and fat, you are better off if you start smoking rather than eating another slice of pie. 3. Less active recreational activities. Children are more likely to play baseball on a game consul than play the real thing. 4. Fast food has become ingrained into our culture. Going out to eat used to be a luxury that families did once a week or once a month. It is daily for some families an related to #5. 5. More two income households means less time to prepare nutritious meals. Home made meals are becoming rare as are people who know how to cook. Even when eating at home, more and more people are eating what used to be called "TV dinners", prepared meals that are often not very good for you. 6. Less walking. As more people live in suburbs rather than inner cities, they must drive to stores, entertainment etc., rather than walking to them.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Hah... did you see how I spelled calorie above, just noticed that.? You know though... about the crazy heart rate... As you work yourself more and more, you'll eventually be able to get back to that running.
I haven't run in over a month now... lame, I know, and it's already started to take it's toll. I'm looking forward to having the time to start running again. When I finally complete my move in two weeks. I won't have anything to do anyway except read books. No garage, no car stuff, no gardening... so I'm going to have plenty of time to work out. I might make that my new hobby.
No car stuff? Are joining the peace corps or something?
Remember to sing "Oh Maryland, My Maryland" when you get there for me.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Should we shame fat people like we do smokers? We already do-we have Fieros. You'd think by owning a Fiero a person would try and stay fit, but if you take a look around at our Fiero car shows and you'll see most of the owners are fat and out of shape and some take nearly 3-minutes trying to get in & out of a Fiero. The majority don't know what, "set-ups" means.
I looked it up, but I didn't get it. I'm not smart enough to see through all the TCA metacholariadondrianism talk
I've been successful in keeping my weight lower than my family, but I can't seem to really lose much. Can you simplify what Wikipedia said about Krebs Cycle? I really didn't understand it.
Look up barbed wire and how to use a set of posthole diggers and the next time you're off, come back and visit some more and watch that weight come off.
How many wild animals do you see with their abdominal muscles or ribs visible? A vet would tell you they are malnourished. Wild animals are not some pure ideal we should all live up to. Everyone who makes that arguments refers to predators. What about pigs, cows, bears, etc..? Ever seen a snake who tried to eat something too big and it splits him open? Animals eat as much as they can because there is no guarantee when the next meal is. Isn't this exactly what everyone was just saying is our problem? Eating too much at a time?
Like any problem in this world the cause is never so simple as, "eat less exercise more", or "genetics make me fat."
Ignore the methodology of the studies? Some of us don't learn. Have the goalposts been moved? Who is leaner, Marilyn Monroe or Julia Roberts? Are people pretty much the same size (proportionately) as ever? Or has the aesthetic standard changed?
Evil Food industry? How bout evil fashion industry, evil Hollywood, evil cosmetics industry, evil health food industry, etc....
I don't buy all of that on face value. Unless we have guests or are on the road, I normally eat one meal/day--in the evening. It's a big meal. I have a gut, and could stand to lose a little myself, but am still in the same 36/32 jean size I was 40 years ago.
Food industry--fashion industry--sugar cartel? No one makes anyone eat anything they don't want to--not even ourselves. In the end, it's the fault of the person with the fork in their hand. Not saying genetics don't make it more dificult for some than most, but no matter what, we still have free will and we are the ones making the choices. It ain't the tobbacco companies' fault that I still smoke either. It ain't the coffee companies' fault I drink several pots of java a day either. It's mine.
Run 5 miles, 5 days a week, don't eat any carbs for dinner, and eat only all natural foods, and keep your calory intake to no more than 2,300 calories.
In 1 year, you'll have 2% body fat.
BUT... who here has the will power to do that? Not me...
You're speaking from the point of view of someone already reasonably in shape. Most obese people can't run 1 mile, let alone 5. Doctors recommend walking, not running, for people starting to exercise and lose weight. You can do more as your condition improves.
It's easy to exercise when you're already in shape. As in most things, it's much easier to keep it from becoming a problem than it is to fix the problem later.
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Khw Member
Posts: 11139 From: South Weber, UT. U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2008
Look up barbed wire and how to use a set of posthole diggers and the next time you're off, come back and visit some more and watch that weight come off.
Yeah that will help. I don't exercise but my occupation is very physically demanding. I go back and forth between 155 when I can work alot in good weather and 170 when I can't work as much in bad weather. At about 6'-1" tall my weight is ideal although I honestly think I am on the to skinny side.
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According to your height of 6' 1" your ideal healthy weight is 170 pounds. Your recommended weight range is between 151 and 189 pounds.
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I dont shame smokers, I pity them. That stuff is harder to kick than most other drugs.
I agree. As a former smoker, I can tell you how hard it was to quit... probably one of the hardest things I did in my life. Army boot camp was a cake-walk compared to that.
On a side note, I think Scottzilla has a good point. The "experts" have a tendency to slowly move the goalposts, so to speak, over time. So it it isn't just that people are getting fatter. But the definition of "fat" is also getting more strict.
I personally would have no problem with people eating or smoking all they want. But money is being taken out of my paycheck to pay for the consequences of their actions. And I don't particularly like being forced to pay for other people's vices. If these people would pay their own medical bills, or if I were able to opt out, then I wouldn't mind.
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FriendGregory Member
Posts: 4833 From: Palo Alto, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2004
I quit smoking 25+ years ago and added 25 pounds within six months. And in the last 10 years added a few more. Like Stan. I'm no longer enjoying the exercise routine or working out.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 32966 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Im hittin 70 years old & have become a FAT sloppy Porker .look pregnant shoot fat people over 21 on sight,special permit bow & arrow season Put profitable bounty on the obese those over 300 pounds would pay a bonus for every pound over 300 direct hit ,dead center by Automobile pays extra ,keep the ugly fat pigs off the street girdle sales would skyrocket special rate on bulldozer burials older than 55 & fat,BONUS Hunters MUST have permit & use humane 30.06 caliber or larger the porkers can shoot back,the only flaw in the plan get em while they have a donut in thier hand Remember if you hang out with people fatter than you,, you appear thin A fat person in a motorized wheelchair ??Bonus because of double waste my girl friend cant cook,,but she knows whats cooking he who indulges,bulges most fat people would rather die than diet. I eat like Im fattening myself for the BBQ market the magnet in my head is drawn by the steel refrigerator door
No doubt, providing such motivation will motivate folks to lose weight. At least until us fat guys get guns and decide to eat the skinny folks.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25210 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
No car stuff? Are joining the peace corps or something?
Remember to sing "Oh Maryland, My Maryland" when you get there for me.
Hah... no, worse... I'm moving into a Town House. No garage. I've put my FIero and my VW Bus into long-term storage in the Ocala / Orlando area where my parents will be moving. I also think Maryland has state laws against working on your own car... (ok, I'm exaggerating there)
Does the song go... "Oh Maryland, Oh Maryland, above all else!" Oh wait... that's the German anthem...
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You're speaking from the point of view of someone already reasonably in shape. Most obese people can't run 1 mile, let alone 5. Doctors recommend walking, not running, for people starting to exercise and lose weight. You can do more as your condition improves.
It's easy to exercise when you're already in shape. As in most things, it's much easier to keep it from becoming a problem than it is to fix the problem later.
Well, yeah, I guess you make a good point. I'm 207 pounds right now, but should be 190-195 to be really healthy. Fattest I've ever been was 223-224, and the thinnest I've ever been as an adult (18+) was 180, but I have twice the muscle mass than I did when I was 180. I mean, I'm no Arnold Schwarxjdlfsltkrlktesegger, but you know, the typical muscle that a man gets after he actually becomes an actual adult from his mid-20s to his 30s.
At one point, I was running a 5k every night, 6 nights a week. I was down under 200... about 197 was the lowest I got to. But then work caught up with me, and I started pigging out again... 205-207 is where I'm at now again.
Totally don't want to diss Indiana here... but when I went to the US Formula-1 Race at the Indianapolis track back in 2007 (the year that Kimmi Raikonnen kicked ass), I felt like a super model. With the exception to the fact that 1/3rd of the people there were Brazillians and Dutch people, the rest of the people were all American. All of the Americans there except myself, were HUGELY fat. I mean... I couldn't get over it. Big huge asses, massive guts. Every person there looked like Peter Griffin... I seriously felt like a super model...
America... we've got to shed some pounds... seriously.
Even walking 5 miles a day would get you there as far as the exercise goes... studies show slower ambulation burn just as many calories as jogging or running, sometimes more. The running just gets you there faster, but the motion and continued exercise (albeit slower) when walking is just as good for you and has less risk of elevating your heartbeat to dangerous rates.
I walk a min. 3 miles a day, 6 days a week. Its the best I got... run? Maybe if I am being chased. A few months back I thought I was going to take up my 5 mile jog daily. Well, I did the 5 miles, and promptly never did it again after it felt like my chest was going to cave in.
Why we let ourselves get away from exercising is beyond me.. its always twice as hard to get back into it as to just keep doing it.
Still, 38 lbs. since Xmas.. I am getting there.
When you walk though, you still need an elevated heart rate. I always want to stop my car and say something to the people that are out there in their walking gear just easily strolling along... It's better than sitting on the couch, but really not that much.
Sometimes I find pace-walking harder than jogging because it hurts my muscles so badly!
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
I personally would have no problem with people eating or smoking all they want. But money is being taken out of my paycheck to pay for the consequences of their actions. And I don't particularly like being forced to pay for other people's vices. If these people would pay their own medical bills, or if I were able to opt out, then I wouldn't mind.
This is where I am. People can do what they want, but I just don't want to pay for it. But I know I will any ways. There is no escaping that. If someone gets a gastric-bypass surgery, especially on the public's dime, I guess I spent like $.10 for it out of my earning allowing somebody to get that done.
I actually like fat people. I find them..........people.
Me too.
My uncle is in the upper 200's, but used to be in the 300's. His wife is somewhere close to that. They are heavy heavy. Another uncle is in the upper 200's, but he's a giant all over. An aunt on the other side is heavy--at least 250. All of her kids are around there as well. And they are all wonderful people.
I don't want to be fat. I really really don't. I don't eat unhealthy food--my most-eaten food is all seafood. I eat oatmeal a lot, with just a dab of brown sugar to add some taste. I like apples and bananas, but admittedly not very many vegetables besides green beans and corn. I don't eat potato chips and rarely eat French fries. I don't eat fast food... ever. My guiltiest pleasure is Mexican food, but I try and eat the healthier options with chicken instead of beef. I run 2 miles a day on average. 1.5 on a bad day, maybe I forgot to stretch the day before so I'm hurting. 3 miles on a good day. I always make sure I'm exercising for at least 20 minutes with a strong heart rate going. And it's still hard for me to lose it! I've lost weight this summer, but it's just not that much. I still have big love-handles, and a HUGE butt and thighs. I'm not happy with my body, and would love to lose more weight.
Portion control is what I'm really focusing on right now. I've made a lot of progress in that area too.
I weigh around 168. I'm 5'4". Almost all of my weight is in my thighs and butt, and I also have a small inner-tube shape around my waist. I want to get down to around 155, or maybe 150 if my thighs will let me. What I do need to do is refocus on my core as well as my running. Right now I do my running, but not too much work on my core.
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When you walk though, you still need an elevated heart rate. I always want to stop my car and say something to the people that are out there in their walking gear just easily strolling along... It's better than sitting on the couch, but really not that much.
Sometimes I find pace-walking harder than jogging because it hurts my muscles so badly!
You have never met my dogs! The only direction they dont go is FORWARD.. so its like using those exercise bands while walking. 2 for 1 exercise there.
I know its pretty flat where you live, but we have some hellacious hills at the park. Trust me, my heart rate elevates.
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I weigh around 168. I'm 5'4". Almost all of my weight is in my thighs and butt, and I also have a small inner-tube shape around my waist. I want to get down to around 155, or maybe 150
Oh wow, you really ARE that short. I thought it was all depth perception in this picture. We need to stretch you out on the rack a little just to hit the average height for a Civil War soldier. A few inches shorter and we could use for midget tossing. With a little hair, sideburns and adamantium, you could play Wolverine, you are so short you... heh.. I'll stop there. Just ribbing you Dub.
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Oh wow, you really ARE that short. I thought it was all depth perception in this picture. We need to stretch you out on the rack a little just to hit the average height for a Civil War soldier. A few inches shorter and we could use for midget tossing. With a little hair, sideburns and adamantium, you could play Wolverine, you are so short you... heh.. I'll stop there. Just ribbing you Dub.
I tried to get growth hormone about a year ago but they wouldn't let me because I was too old. My mom kept telling me in high school "You're not done growing you don't need any". She was wrong...
Oh well. My girlfriend is 4'11" so I'm happy
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
This is where I am. People can do what they want, but I just don't want to pay for it. But I know I will any ways. There is no escaping that. If someone gets a gastric-bypass surgery, especially on the public's dime, I guess I spent like $.10 for it out of my earning allowing somebody to get that done.
Also consider someone who's eligible for gastric bypass (or other weight loss surgery) typically has to be 100lbs overweight or more. At that weight, the cost of the surgery may be cheaper than treatment for the medical issues the weight will cause over the course of their life.
Shame? Maybe not. But I also don't think it's reasonable to make special allowances or excuses for them either. There may be *some* who have provable medical reasons for being overweight, but for most, it's just a series of excuses. Sitting on ones ass watching TV or playing video games, pounding down Big Macs and bags full of Cheetos and complaining that they can't lose wait..well gee. No kidding. "It's hard" they may say. Just not en excuse in my world. I also think it's reasonable for health insurance premiums to be based on a person's physical condition, same should apply if one smokes or drinks heavily.
I feel completely justified in making statement like that, having *been* a person who was well on their way towards obesity. I'm right around 5' 10", and was getting just over 200 pounds. Obese? No, some might even say I didn't qualify as really being fat. But I'm smart enough to know that if I kept eating hamburgers and fries for lunch every day (super-sized), and that my greatest physical activity was getting up off the couch to take a dump, I *would* become obese, very quickly. I'll also tell you that for most of my life I was very healthy and in great physical shape. It was after I started working on computers I started to gain weight. I was also developing some bad back issues, my back would give me problems routinely, something I had never before experienced.
Any personal trainer will tell you that 75% of weight gain is through diet. Too much animal protein and simple carbs. You don't have to work out several times a week to lose weight, it's as easy as modifying ones diet. and simply integrating some level of exercise into your daily routine.
My personal choice was to begin a boot camp, (when I did the initial fitness testing it about killed me, I couldn't do 20 sit ups or push ups in a minute, and couldn't do jumping jacks for a minute.) When I satarted the program, I ate 5 times a day and limited my dietary intake to 1700 calories. No simple carbs, no sugar, (even artificial sweeteners are bad). I worked out at least 3 times a week, and I lost 30 pounds in 6 months. I'm not even interested in going back to where I started. I'll also say that because I work out I have NO back issues. Ever. Right now I'm 52, and would say I'm probably in better shape than most people half my age. It ain't easy, it's hard work to get your ass kicked every other day for an hour. The question is, does one want things to be different, or do they want to make excuses. The choice is ultimately theirs to make. I just don't listen to whining and excuses. I work hard to stay in shape, and I don't think I'm all that special. I just made a choice that I wanted a better life, and knew that crying about it wouldn't get it done.
When I satarted the program, I ate 5 times a day and limited my dietary intake to 1700 calories. No simple carbs, no sugar, (even artificial sweeteners are bad). I worked out at least 3 times a week, and I lost 30 pounds in 6 months. I'm not even interested in going back to where I started. I'll also say that because I work out I have NO back issues.
I've lost 38lbs in 7 months.. thank you for posting this info so I have a good comaprison figure! Suddenly, I feel good about losing "so little" or so it seemed to me. I try to stay around 1500 calories a day, less if I can, but no less than 1200. One day a week, I try to splurge a little to keep from going crazy. Tonight is "Chicken and Waffles"... I have never had it before, but it looks awesome and totally bad for you. I love soul food.
And no, I am not interested in ballooning back up either. I saw my wedding pictures, I weighed around 250 and I wanted to cry. We're gonna get married again when all the weight is off and just photoshop skinny pics of me into the original photos.
Unfortunately, stress is what makes me gain weight more than anything... I could eat a handful of almonds in a day and still gain a pound if something bad has been happening to me. It sucks. My weight has always been a rollercoaster... in my adult life I have weighed as little as 168 (after boot camp) and as much as 268 (This last Xmas). And every where inbetween.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Totally don't want to diss Indiana here...
America... we've got to shed some pounds... seriously.
Go ahead, diss away! I've said the same thing. And not only Indiana but Michigan and Illinois as well. It's crazy. Walk through any mall in the Midwest and 90% of the people you see look like Kirstie Alley on her worst day....regardless of race.
It's scary.....and that old line "She's just big boned" don't cut it anymore.
