You choose to live in California so you need to put up with their laws. Exactly what did you do or say that required three officers to spend some time with you?

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: You choose to live in California so you need to put up with their laws. Exactly what did you do or say that required three officers to spend some time with you?

I know i would refuse to live there. Between car laws, gun laws and taxes...

It might be pretty and have nice weather ( aside from earthquakes... eek ) but you wont see me living there, for any amount of money.

I bet they'd really hate the exhaust setup going on my 3800 swap... no cat, no muffler, just a resonator on each exhaust tip

Car hassles was the single reason I wanted to leave California when I did. I did not have rice; I had an 81 Z28 Camaro. The local Gestapo hated that car, and I havent a clue why.

They pulled me over Daily. After a while I just let them follow me home. Hell they knew who I was.

One of them actually locked their push bars onto the back of my Camaro in an effort to "make me go over the limit." I contested the ticket, took pictures of the damage from the push bars, and hired the shadest LA county lawyer I could find.

That cop no longer works in LA county.

Shortly after, I moved, and haven't been back to California since. There's no way in hell i'd want to live there with those smog/tint/envirowacko laws again.

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quote Originally posted by motoracer838: Again, I'm soo glad I don't have to put up with the NAZI Kali b-s anymore!!! In what seems like a lifetime ago, I worked in a muffler shop that was owned by a Napa police officer, That made for an interesting contradiction. Even then the laws were over the top, there was a technicality, you could fight the ticket based on the fact that the cop used subjective means to determine that the exhaust was loud. (the cops didn't have sound meters and there were no refere stations then. Like I said a lifetime ago!) The darkest hour, never comes at night. Joe

Yeah, I agree, for the reading was 82.5 db during the stop, so there isn't anyway he'd know it was past 92db. Actually, it was a lesson for me too, because I didn't know the testing involved revving the motor to 75% of maximum hp--and as my armature speed testing demonstrated--I'd need to be traveling way beyond any posted speed limit. However, the officer stated that any after market exhaust is illegal regardless if the muffler has a C.A.R.B. stamped on the pipe.

Even if you do pass using an after market exhaust, you just wasted 2-3 hourly wages fighting it. That said, my exhaust has some guts falling out of it, and--since it's a 11- year old car-- I'm not going to purchase another Greedy system trying to prove my point (@ $400 buck or so).

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Upon visuals, I just notice that the guts are coming out... must be that darn salty air.

Besides, I'm starting to wonder if Greedy actually test their exhaust systems at 75% horse power on every application. Heck, they might be testing the exhaust (only?) during idling. The website only states that they’re systems pass at 95 db, but is that at idle or revving at 75%- who knows.

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Dirty Smog cites; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110427/hl_nm/us_air

I can't imagine what LA would look like without anti-pollution laws. Wait, yes I can:



I'll bet that without those laws it'd look something like this:



What boggles me is how so many vociferous complainers about all that is California continue to live there, when they could move pretty much anywhere else and have a significantly lower cost of living, way cheaper housing costs, and far less regulatory overhead. Heck, they can come here to Texas where we don't even have an income tax.

Personally? I like breathing air that doesn't cause heart disease, eat the paint off my car, or burns my mucous membranes.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: I can't imagine what LA would look like without anti-pollution laws. Wait, yes I can:

I was there (in Pasadena) in 1961/62. Most days, outdoor exercise (like football practice) was agony for me. My lungs burned and my eyes watered profusely. A few clear days were magnificent, usually when the winds were from the east (blowing in from the desert) or after a rare day of rain, but those were the exception rather than the rule. Air quality in the LA basin is much better today, and that's primarily the cumulative result of 50 years of environmental regulation.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I was there (in Pasadena) in 1961/62. Most days, outdoor exercise (like football practice) was agony for me. My lungs burned and my eyes watered profusely. A few clear days were magnificent, usually when the winds were from the east (blowing in from the desert) or after a rare day of rain, but those were the exception rather than the rule. Air quality in the LA basin is much better today, and that's primarily the cumulative result of 50 years of environmental regulation.

I suspect that most all of the folks complaining about CA's emissions laws are too young to have lived there before they were enacted, and as such haven't got the experience base to reference to.

Today, I go in for a smog check. I hope I pass.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Personally? I like breathing air that doesn't cause heart disease, eat the paint off my car, or burns my mucous membranes.

In LA, we don't trust air we cannot see.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Today, I go in for a smog check. I hope I pass.

So? Didja?

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quote Originally posted by carnut122: So? Didja?

Yes. However, I went to a "Don't pass-don't pay station and found out that my oxygen sensor 1 was bad. I had it replaced and passed with flying colors. I headed to DMV (just in case) for a red tag until my registration tags show up in the mail.

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: I suspect that most all of the folks complaining about CA's emissions laws are too young to have lived there before they were enacted, and as such haven't got the experience base to reference to.

I wasn't too young. But if smog laws are about cleaning up the air, why is there a "visual inspection" of the engine? Why should they care, if the emissions out of the tail pipe are acceptable? Why do they even care what engine you have in the car?

The visual inspection is done to make sure none of the smog equipment (the car is supposed to be equipped with) has been removed. They don't care if your car passes the sniffer test and will fail you if you are missing some equipment or have non-CARB approved equipment installed.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I wasn't too young. But if smog laws are about cleaning up the air, why is there a "visual inspection" of the engine? Why should they care, if the emissions out of the tail pipe are acceptable? Why do they even care what engine you have in the car?

John, you know the smog tests don't cover everything. There isn't the time to do it. The visual is to cover what they can't test. Cold start warmup? Real evap testing? Idle and two-speed cruise is just a rough guess but it's better than nothing. Considering the lengths people will go to just pass, I don't see how they can avoid a visual.

Unless we want to leave our cars for a couple of days of testing, I'll take the visual.

n/m

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: The visual inspection is done to make sure none of the smog equipment (the car is supposed to be equipped with) has been removed. They don't care if your car passes the sniffer test and will fail you if you are missing some equipment or have non-CARB approved equipment installed.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. If I may add; If anything is out of place like a K&N air filter tubing you don't pass. You could argue that if the car had an over drive gear to increase better gas milage, K&N for increase milage, or better emissions out the tail pipe- they wouldn't care. It's all about forcing people to eventually give up and buy a new car. That is why there's no smog test until after the 3rd or 5th year on a new car.

quote That is why there's no smog test until after the 3rd or 5th year on a new car.

That is also when cars usually get paid off and people start modifying them.

If I may add: that is why there's only 500 SB100 per year. If people started replacing they're worn out motors with newer ones the car companies would suffer. They also eliminated the cut off point to which a car would be exempt.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. If I may add; If anything is out of place like a K&N air filter tubing you don't pass. You could argue that if the car had an over drive gear to increase better gas milage, K&N for increase milage, or better emissions out the tail pipe- they wouldn't care. It's all about forcing people to eventually give up and buy a new car. That is why there's no smog test until after the 3rd or 5th year on a new car.

Glad you passed! I thought the three to five year grace period was to keep the car companies from having to pay for replacement smog equipment. As in, don't get serious about testing until the warranty expires. Then, stick the owner with the costs.