I don`t like to see either talking on a cell phone or texting but to compare the two is ridiculous.
You might look at your phone to dial or answer but you are not looking at it everytime you either initiate or respond on a subject to the other party.
Plus, the amount that some of the youth today use texting is a wonder they can drive at all without running over something.

quote Originally posted by rpro: ....Texting is about as exciting as sending morse code.

I got a kick out of that--I feel exactly the same. My wife and I both wonder why they don't just talk on the cell--I guess it is a generational thing.

I am a ham and there was a short period in the 60s that I used a leg key and talked around the world on Morse Code (also called CW) while zipping along at 60 mph but frankly, I found the whole effort too distracting.

Ive seen some recent stupidity recently. One girl was texting as she was driving beside me in my van (I could see her by looking down). I stopped at a red light and she went right past me....into the path of cross traffic. Scratch her car, another car and telephone pole. One of the girls at the restaurant had her 3rd wreck of the year. She has a Mercedes SUV daddy bought. She was texting in the parking lot of a drive thru restaurant and totalled it and the car she hit. Dumb azzes are born every second.

That was a great video, powerfull stuff.

There are always a section of the population that will think "it will never happen to me" or that they are better drivers than everyone else and can get away with such things. I always hope they've signed their organ donor cards and crash alone.

Half the people on the road are reckless when they are talking on their cell let alone texting.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: You seemed to have forgotten the part of being "mentally awake and morally straight".

Sorry but MY morals don't come from a dumb a** like you. I suggest you work on your own.

quote Originally posted by starlightcoupe: My wife and I both wonder why they don't just talk on the cell--I guess it is a generational thing.

My guess is people don't really want to talk to the other person, they just want to say what they have to say.

quote Originally posted by 8Ball: Your response was very offensive in the first place. You wanna put yours against mine? Sure thing. I have had exactly ONE speeding ticket in 12 years. So ok, sure let's line them up. I have also had ONE failure to stop. In an empty parking lot.

Let's see for me I had a speeding ticket and illegal turn when I was 18. I had a following to close when I was around 30. That's it for moving violations on my record and I've been driving for... 23 years. I did once get a ticket for speed contest but it was dismissed because as I told the Officer who issued it, I was not racing.

Now my Wife, she's been driving for 10 years and hasn't had a single ticket.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: I taught Sunday School for over 10 years. I was a Scoutmaster for over 10 years. ... I post to PFF while driving at times. I don't when I feel I need my full attention on the road.

"i'm a danger to everyone on the road, but it's ok because i mentor and set an example for children."

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: You aint gotta lie to kick it. You dont buy a big gulp and baby it around.......

That is exactly what happens in that video I did buy Big Gulp to raise hell. And I have raised hell. I am not saying that is ok. But I USUALLY do it on closed private streets.. For example when the Ferrari 308 thought he could spank me.. We went to the closed street that the cars and coffee was taking place on and did it there. Or the cop in the Crown Vic who asked me to run him. We went to a parking lot in an empty industrial complex.

But yes.. I will admit I have run her hard on public roads. Was it smart? Nope. And I am not trying to excuse my actions.. But When I am running it hard, I am looking at the road... not down at my cell phone trying to text someone. I WILL see you if you pull out in front of me. I am also not running hard in traffic. only when a mustang and I are out alone on a stretch of road and he wants an arse whipping.

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quote Originally posted by lurker: "i'm a danger to everyone on the road, but it's ok because i mentor and set an example for children."

Whatever - have fun with it. I quit teaching Sunday School so I guess now i can do what I please. Please make sure you do attack any Sunday School teachers you have in your church. They need to realize that if they teach Sunday School, then they are fair game for it.

I didn't teach Sunday School because I was or am a perfect person. Far from it. I did it to help the youth. When I taught I surely didn't pretend to be a perfect person.

I don't suppose you teach Sunday School?

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quote Originally posted by Phonedawgz Sorry but MY morals don't come from a dumb a** like you. I suggest you work on your own.

So breaking the law makes you a moral person? Insulting me just shows your true moral fiber Mister. You certainly have forgotten your scout ways and are a danger to everyone who shares the road with you while you text. As I said before, you lack morals and while you text, you are distracted, and therefore not mentally awake.
Say what you want, you are wrong and have no excuses for this behavior. I just hope your loved ones aren't with you when you finally realize this, as you end up in a heap or possibly destroy someone elses life. You will only have yourself to blame when this happens, and believe me it will, if you continue to text and drive. The only dumbass I see here is YOU.

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quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: I've had that. For sure a whole lot more dangerous than texting. Better to park it kiddies and truly enjoy the moment. Don't forget to say thanks. And if she wants to kiss afterward just do it and better not make any funny faces or there will be no more tickets to that ride.

ill keep this in mind for future references

I break the law along with every other driver on the road who is going over the speed limit. According to you that makes everyone driving on the highway immoral by your definition. If you haven't figured it out yet, there is a difference between illegal and immoral.

The difference between you and me is I actually realize that everything is grey. You would like to pretend that the things you do that you think are ok, like speeding, like the other distractions are somehow ok. Your attacks like to judge me and my actions. Again I suggest you not worry about judging others and worry about yourself.

Asif somehow you now can think you can come off by saying that by defending myself after you attacked me makes ME have some problem with MY moral fiber? Come on. If you have a problem with me insulting you, then you surely have a problem with you insulting me. Oh wait that's right. When you do these things it's ok.

Yep that is what makes you a dumb a** in my mind.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: I break the law along with every other driver on the road who is going over the speed limit.

There are different levels of breaking the law, just like religion.

I can get a speeding ticket, and pay a simple fine, but if I shoot past a cop drunk, I will face a much worst punishment.

I kinda understand what you are saying in here, but it's a lost cause, and will only end in heartache. I don't think you are a bad guy, but Tuzzi used the words "kick it" in a retro ghetto way, therefore I believe we should all pile on him.
Shall I invoke Hitler?

Brad

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My only other comment in this thread, then I am staying out of it...

The issue Phonedawgz, is that you are saying it is perfectly OK for you and everyone else to text while driving because you have not had an accident caused by texting while driving...

The general gist I get from your posts is that because YOU have not killed someone while texting and driving, then there is no cause for ANYONE to be concerned and that people are knee-jerk reacting to a problem you feel does not exist...

The reality is, texting while driving is VERY distracting for 90% of the people on the road, ESPECIALLY younger people. There are many deaths each year attributed to distracted driving, ranging from texting to adjusting the radio to reaching into the backseat to smack the kids.

There are numerous studies that have been done by reliable sources that have shown that reaction times go up considerably when a driver is distracted...

Yes, you taught Sunday School, yes you are a fine upstanding citizen (I say these seriously), but nothing you can do or say will justify breaking the law, intentionally might I add, as you have stated you are aware it is illegal and don't care, and putting other lives in danger..

If there is even the slightest possibility that you could kill someone by sending or reading a text message while driving, isn't it worth thinking about, and deciding to wait a little bit before you read and/or respond?

I say the above as an observer, not a participant in an argument... I am curious to see what a civil response will bring.

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quote Originally posted by Synthesis: The issue Phonedawgz, is that you are saying it is perfectly OK for you and everyone else to text while driving because you have not had an accident caused by texting while driving...

NO NO NO

quote ME I agree that texting on a busy road is just stupid.

Sentence two of my first post

What I said is everything has a risk. I HATE the black and white way people look at safe and unsafe. Just a few posts ago someone said it was 100 times more dangerous to text "k" than it was to call a person on the phone and say "ok". Basically the same number of keystrokes. You still have to look at the phone to dial it. I can't understand what makes one 100 times more dangerous to do. The point is you have to THINK about the risk and if the benifit is worth the cost. And again we ALL do things that have a level of risk to them. Turning on the radio and changing the station or putting in a CD and selecting a track have a risk. What I am saying is we need to think about the actual risk instead of applying over reaching artificial rules to them. Overreaching rules do limit us in doing things that have a reasonable risk but they ALSO imply that the things left out of the 'rules' are somehow safe.

There is no 'unsafe' and 'safe' There are only degrees of risk. We all decide where we draw the line. Some people would put a seat belt on just to back the car out of the driveway. Others don't wear them at all. Which is right? idk. I don't think we need to tell the person backing the car out of the driveway he needs to wear a seat belt. But then how far do you have to drive before it's 'unsafe' It's just where you draw the line because again everything has risks. The guy who doesn't wear his seat belt will say he feels his risks are reasonable.

Personally I wear my seat belt almost all the time. No I don't for backing the car out of the driveway.

What is right for others - idk

quote The general gist I get from your posts is that because YOU have not killed someone while texting and driving, then there is no cause for ANYONE to be concerned and that people are knee-jerk reacting to a problem you feel does not exist...

Are you actually reading what I am posting?

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quote You The reality is, texting while driving is VERY distracting for 90% of the people on the road, ESPECIALLY younger people. There are many deaths each year attributed to distracted driving, ranging from texting to adjusting the radio to reaching into the backseat to smack the kids.

quote ME And for many texting isn't something they should be doing while driving. I will REALLY say that for an 17-18 yo driver. They tend to crash more. They tend to loose concentration more.

(from my first post on this thread - Top of Page 1)
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/081277.html#p2


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quote Yes, you taught Sunday School, yes you are a fine upstanding citizen (I say these seriously), but nothing you can do or say will justify breaking the law, intentionally might I add, as you have stated you are aware it is illegal and don't care, and putting other lives in danger.. If there is even the slightest possibility that you could kill someone by sending or reading a text message while driving, isn't it worth thinking about, and deciding to wait a little bit before you read and/or respond?

And the same thing can be said for driving 5 mph over the speed limit. Yes it has a increased possibility of something happening. It is breaking the law. So again how is it that you can cut up what illegal activity is ok and what illegal activity is not. You most likely don't even consider your illegal activity to be illegal.

I do consider both speeding 5 over and texting while driving to be illegal. That is what the law says. If you try to argue that somehow it's legal because cops don't pull you over then it would also be legal for me to text because now I hold the phone down so cops can't see me text. Neither the fact that the cop doesn't pull me over or holding the phone down low makes my action legal. Yes I break the law.

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YOU intentially break the law and put others at an increased risk when you drive 5 mph over the speed limit.

but you also said

quote nothing you can do or say will justify breaking the law, intentionally might I add, as you have stated you are aware it is illegal and don't care, and putting other lives in danger..

It's impossible to reconcile driving 5mph over and that statement in a black and white world.

In a grey world we know that there is a reasonable increased risk with driving over the legal speed limit. We feel that that breaking the speed limit law also is a reasonable risk.

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So have you purchased fireworks that are not legal to use in Wisconsin? Have you broken that law? Have you put yourself and others in an increased risk of injury or death? Yeah I fully understand people think it's acceptable. An acceptable risk of injury. An acceptable risk of breaking the law.


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We all break laws at times. We do so knowing that we are doing something that is illegal but we feel the risk is acceptable.

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The way I see it, is I am willing to actually admit it.

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The problem with black and white thinking is being fooled by ourselves.

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quote I break the law along with every other driver on the road who is going over the speed limit. According to you that makes everyone driving on the highway immoral by your definition. If you haven't figured it out yet, there is a difference between illegal and immoral.

So now you admit that you also speed. Are you doing this while you text? This actually is worse for you. The more laws you break the less gray things are. You also should know that two wrongs don'tmake a right. If other people break the law it doesn't mean you should too, so yes, every speeder is immoral because they are doing wrong and illegal to boot. You are the one who doesn't know what morals are so I'll post the definition here.

moral

mor·al [ máwrəl ]

adjective

Definition:

1. involving right and wrong: relating to issues of right and wrong and to how individual people should behave


2. derived from personal conscience: based on what somebody's conscience suggests is right or wrong, rather than on what rules or the law says should be done


3. according to common standard of justice: regarded in terms of what is known to be right or just, as opposed to what is officially or outwardly declared to be right or just
a moral victory.


4. encouraging goodness and decency: giving guidance on how to behave decently and honorably


5. good by accepted standards: good or right, when judged by the standards of the average person or society at large


6. able to tell right from wrong: able to distinguish right from wrong and to make decisions based on that knowledge


7. based on personal conviction: based on an inner conviction, in the absence of physical proof
moral certainty


So your morals tell you it is right to break the law?, mine don't. You already know what you are doing is ILLEGAL.

illegal

il·le·gal [ i lg'l ]


adjective

Definition:

1. against law: contravening a specific law, especially a criminal law


2. against rules: not allowed by the rules of something such as a game


3. not permitted by computer: not permitted in a computer program


I'm not judging you, I'm just stating facts, You still are the only dumb ass I see in this thread, fact. You are afraid to admit that you are wrong because you know you are wrong, fact. What you are doing is dangerous, fact. The harder you try to defend your actions the worse you look, fact. There is no Grey area here. You are a menace to other drivers and don't seem to care about being one, fact. You also want to defend this action, fact.
Fortunately, the law will take away your driving privileges if they catch and stop you. Maybe then you will realize how wrong you are, especially if you need to take a bus to get around. Hopefully they will stop you before you kill someone.

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Go away jerk

I surely don't need anything from you a** like you

Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You are only fuming because you know you are wrong and none of your excuses are plausable. The only jerk here is YOU. Don't be surprised if one of you fellow motorists calls the cops on you while you are texting and driving. I hope it happens sooner than later, maybe then you will change your attitude and quit playing Russian roulette with your life and others.

http://texting-while-driving.org/

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: I'm not judging you....

What do you think you are doing this whole time?

quote You are afraid to admit that you are wrong because you know you are wrong

Wouldn't that pretty much be the ONLY reason that someone should admit being are wrong? If you have read my other posts you will find I do state when I think I have been wrong. I do make mistakes like everyone else.

Clearly you don't understand the difference between immoral and illegal. You have proven that your small way of thinking can't comprehend there is a difference. Here's some home work for next Sunday. Now that you have the definitions, see if you can come up with the DIFFERENCES in those two words

quote There is no Grey area here

In your limited thinking there is no gray. That is my point. Thank God we all don't think like you.

quote What you are doing is dangerous

Yes driving IS dangerous. People die from it every day. Believe it or not even ones who don't text. I bet that is amazing to you. But I am sure you can find some *fact* as to what the one thing they did that caused their accident.

quote You are a menace to other drivers

Thanks AGAIN for not judging me. I see in your way of thinking you can say "I'm not judging you" and that gives you the privilege to then do so.

As I have stated before, you need to worry about judging yourself and leave judging me to myself.

Adding the word "FACT" to your opinions don't change them to facts. If two reasonable people (other than you and me) can have different opinions about the matter than it is not a "FACT".

Adding the word "FACT" to the end of your sentences is just juvenal.

quote Small Thinker Fortunately, the law will take away your driving privileges if they catch and stop you.

Again wrong. It is called a fine. Same thing as speeding. No loss of license for texting in Wisconsin. Two months ago and it wasn't even illegal.
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So clearly you get off on judging me. What about YOU?

So I DARE you to answer these two questions

Do you speed?

Are you therefore immoral

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I have the Highway Patrol number on my cells speed dial. I call them when I see people on freeways speeding 20+ over the limit and when I see them texting. Here in Ohio ANY texting driving is illegal $150 first offense, then doubles after that until they revolk your licence. The only glitch in the system right now is they cannot order you to show them the phone or supenoe your phone record to prove it. Most so far apparently have paid the fine. There working on it though so you have to show the phone to an officer if he has just cause (seeing you).

Also just for info, a suburb here, Gahanna, Ohio goes even further and makes ANY DISTRACTION to driving illegal with same fine. That covers eating or drinking, changing CD, reading, putting on makeup, etc. If they see you do any of the above they do issue a ticket. At the very least you have to go to Mayors Court and guess who the mayor usually sides with ?

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I see you (Phonedawgz) just don't get it, are way too dumb to get it, or just don't plain care. Oh well, Darwin will take care of you and then it will be too late for your dumb ass to change ways. No matter how you try to spin this or deflect the argument, you still are wrong. The more you try to argue your point, the more you show that YOU are a dumb ass and that is a fact.
There are thousands of articles and studies that prove you are wrong. Here are a couple of them.
In Study, Texting Lifts Crash Risk by Large Margin
http://www.nytimes.com/2009.../28texting.html?_r=1
The Dangers of Texting While Driving
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/cons...ivingandtexting.html
I bet you can't find one single study or article that can prove your viewpoint about texting and driving.

To answer your questions, no and no. I have no need to speed, as the speed limits here are sufficiently high that I have no need to do so. I also am a moral person and obey the law anyway.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I have the Highway Patrol number on my cells speed dial. I call them when I see people on freeways speeding 20+ over the limit and when I see them texting. Here in Ohio ANY texting driving is illegal $150 first offense, then doubles after that until they revolk your licence. The only glitch in the system right now is they cannot order you to show them the phone or supenoe your phone record to prove it. Most so far apparently have paid the fine. There working on it though so you have to show the phone to an officer if he has just cause (seeing you).

You push buttons on YOUR phone to dial it when you see others pushing buttons on their phone? Do you pull over to do this?

btw, I also think people who have pulled over on the side of the highway to have a phone call are more dangerous than the ones on the road. It's dangerous to be stopped so close to traffic. It's dangerous to speed up and merge back into traffic.

As stated before I have a bluetooth headset that I use when I am driving. Much nicer than holding the phone up to your ear. I would never pull over and risk getting hit on the side of the road to take a call. Clearly it is MUCH more dangerous than talking while driving.

And yet you text and drive. You are a hypocrite.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: To answer your questions, no and no. I have no need to speed, as the speed limits here are sufficiently high that I have no need to do so. I also am a moral person and obey the law anyway.

So you drive the actual speed limit, not 5 or 7 over? You do that all the time?

Yup, set my cruise control to the speed limit and stay in the right lane. This also saves me some gas, I can concentrate better on my driving, and I haven't received a ticket in decades.

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If Phonedawgz compares speeding and looking down to text as being an equal danger then you guys are never going to convince him otherwise.
It`s like anything you do that requires a sighted purpose.
I think even driving a little too fast, you are going to be able to adapt a lot better to unforseen circustances than only looking at the road a few seconds at a time while texting.
And I would bet that as long as it takes some people to get their point across while talking, they look down at that phone more than a few seconds at a time when texting.
That brings me to another point.
As this world has gotten more PC the grey area has gotten bigger and bigger.
Years ago there was a lot more black & white on any given subject and things seemed to work better.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: And yet you text and drive. You are a hypocrite.

Hypocrite - a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

Tell me in what matter I have acted that is in contradiction to my stated beliefs.

Please please please keep it to just that. Don't try to prove to me anything about how you thing it's dangerous or illegal or immoral or whatever.

Just how I am a Hypocrite.

quote If Phonedawgz compares speeding and looking down to text as being an equal danger then you guys are never going to convince him otherwise. It`s like anything you do that requires a sighted purpose.

From one of my previously posted links.

quote In the moments before a crash or near crash, drivers typically spent nearly five seconds looking at their devices — enough time at typical highway speeds to cover more than the length of a football field.

Car radios have preset buttons, some cars have the radio controls on the steering wheel, so these require minimal attention to change. I have a favorite radio station and have found no need to change it while driving. I do have other stations preset and a CD changer with preset buttons too. It takes less time to tend to these than the average text message and yet I still try to avoid doing any of these while driving. One bad car accident is all it takes to wisen one up, that is if they survive it.

Last night on the freeway at 65 mph I looked over and say a lady steering with her knees so she could hold the phone in one hand and text with her other hands index finger. Even dumber than knowing how to text and driving, is not knowing how to text and driving.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Whatever - have fun with it. I quit teaching Sunday School so I guess now i can do what I please. Please make sure you do attack any Sunday School teachers you have in your church. They need to realize that if they teach Sunday School, then they are fair game for it. I didn't teach Sunday School because I was or am a perfect person. Far from it. I did it to help the youth. When I taught I surely didn't pretend to be a perfect person. I don't suppose you teach Sunday School?

no, i don't teach sunday school. maybe because i don't go to church. probably because i'm not a christian. make of that what you will. i'm as (if not more so) interested in ethical behavior as anyone i know, churchgoers and minsters included.

as it happens, i agree with you on the black&white vs shades of grey question, as i dont believe in absolutes. but there is dark grey and light grey, and saying that dark grey isnt black doesnt make it white, either.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Just how I am a Hypocrite.

i cant answer avengador's specific concerns, but the word hypocrite did come to my mind when reading your posts. here's why:

the problem with scout masters and sunday school teachers in this context is that they purport to promote a higher moral standard and level of maturity, which is inconsistent with behaviors that put others around them at risk. since you brought up the sunday school teacher and scoutmaster, it must have seemed relevant to you at the time, but now, you say it's unimportant. so why did you mention it in the first place?

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quote Just how I am a Hypocrite.

You are trying to say you are a safe driver because you use your bluetooth headset to talk on your phone, when you drive, and yet you admit that you text and drive. Unless you have a hands free way of texting, you ARE using your hands and eyes to send a text message and you ARE a hypocrite and an unsafe driver. Don't you know when to stop digging this hole you are digging?

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I have Bluetooth and voice dial....

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Yup, set my cruise control to the speed limit and stay in the right lane. This also saves me some gas, I can concentrate better on my driving, and I haven't received a ticket in decades.

Heres what you said 4/21/2009

quote avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #3, 04-21-2009 03:15 PM Wouldn't it have been safer to pull over to the slower lane and off the shoulder instead of the center median? It is riskier to merge with traffic in the fast lane than with that in the slow lane. I try not to drive more than 5 to 10 MPH over the limit, any faster and you are sure to get stopped.

https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...5545&style=printable

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quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: I agree that texting on a busy road is just stupid.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Do I think it's safe enough for me to text on a open highway and not to loose my mind on the road. Yep.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: Every example that people have posted do not qualify as "an open highway". So I am not sure who you are trying to convince of what but since your arguments are based on something other than what I stated I do you don't have an argument. No I don't text where there are pedestrians. No I don't even drive 6 feel from someones bumper. I surely don't text then. I didn't even imply I text or post then.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: About the kid who hit a biker while driving. Yeah I think the risk of texting when you have pedestrians, bikers, and traffic to deal with is fairly foolish. I think if you are texting while driving in town it's pretty foolish. I also think youth have a harder time splitting their time and knowing their surroundings.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: And for many texting isn't something they should be doing while driving. I will REALLY say that for an 17-18 yo driver. They tend to crash more. They tend to loose concentration more.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: The point I was trying to get at is everything has risks. To label something wise or unwise is back to the black and white. And to those who want to think black and white, they are just fooling themselves.

quote Originally posted by phonedawgz: The great thing about being an adult is we all get to have our own opinions.

Just because it seems like most are painting phonedawgz with a big ol' brush that portrays him as saying "I love to endanger everyone around me and take uncalculated risks"

And the part about him getting pulled over by a cop that sees him texting and driving, from what I have read, he doesn't do that when other cars are around, so logically, there won't be any police around when he's texting, so they wouldn't be able to pull him over.

I'm not gonna lie, last night while on the 3 hr drive on I35 coming back from Duluth, my dad texted me to ask if it was raining yet because it was in Rochester. I was the only vehicle on the road that I could see, so I texted him back "no." I calculated that there was a risk of doing it, but I figured his mindstate would be more at ease with a reply from me, and to let him know that the weather was nice for driving.

I guess I'm an immoral and lawbreaking citizen, but I think I can live with that...

quote Heres what you said 4/21/2009

That was then, my driving habits have changed since I wrote that. Keep blabbling and digging, you are only getting deeper in the hole.

quote And the part about him getting pulled over by a cop that sees him texting and driving, from what I have read, he doesn't do that when other cars are around, so logically, there won't be any police around when he's texting, so they wouldn't be able to pull him over.

The cop you don't see is the one that usually gets you.

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