quote Originally posted by Boondawg: No. The company sprung it against the union to be timed with the holiday season? Is that the way these kind of things are actually played?

Dunno, since I've never worked union, but I have seen a layoff right before Christmas. It wasn't personal and no onetook it that way. It's just business.

Yes, I have seen sick leave abused more times than I can count. The job I worked at in San Angelo, didn't have paid sick leave for the 1st 3-4 years I worked there. Most people showed up for work in a timely and predictable manner. Once paid sick days began, there were a lot of people not showing up every day--especially in the early part of hunting season and when the white bass were running at Twin Buttes Reservoir.
just a coincidence I'm sure...

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Agreed, and I'm never surprised by exaggerations and half truths, especially ones I read on the internet. I am not anti-union, infact, having been a Production Manager in both Union and Non-Union facilities, I actually prefer a Union facility but, there has to be good leadership on both sides of the table. That is not always the case. Ron

Good post, I have worked for both as well and seen unfair practices on both sides.

My opinion is that certain unions have become way to big and have achieved so much in worker benefits that they NOW often have to try and justify their own existance by demanding more and more to the detriment of some companies. Both the union and management need checks and balances and when it's lopsided either way it's not good for anyone.

If the company wants the workers to stop using sick days they could just tell them they need a doctor's note, before they will be paid for it, and that it will be considered an unexcused absence if they can't produce that note.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: If the company wants the workers to stop using sick days they could just tell them they need a doctor's note, before they will be paid for it, and that it will be considered an unexcused absence if they can't produce that note.

I've seen this used before as well, with the Dr's "note" required for all/any day after 2 consecutive days of abscence. Most places I worked tho, did NOT wamt you to come to work sick. I always did if I had the flu, because I have found and firmly believe the best way to get rid of it, is to give it to someone else.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I have found and firmly believe the best way to get rid of it, is to give it to someone else.

That never worked for my stupidity!

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: No. The company sprung it against the union to be timed with the holiday season? Is that the way these kind of things are actually played?

These are often austarity / furlough measures needed by the company to stay afloat. Even if the company is making money, it's often a requirement set by the members on the board that income must remain above a certain point for continued financing. There's a number of reasons, but it's never because they simply "hate" unions... it's because the company has to.

A lot of people think it unfair also that managers don't get cut, while the workers do. The thing is, as it stands... managers are less easily replaceable than the workers are. Just kind of how it works.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane:I've seen this used before as well, with the Dr's "note" required for all/any day after 2 consecutive days of absence. Most places I worked tho, did NOT want you to come to work sick. I always did if I had the flu, because I have found and firmly believe the best way to get rid of it, is to give it to someone else.

Yea, giving away a flu is the best way to get rid of it.

I like the 2 days sick no note required, no pay. I had a stupid manager demand I get doctors note on the forth day into the measles. I could barely walk or keep a sentence in my head. I have seen too much sick leave abuse, I left a job with 280 sick days that were never taken, and not paid to me. The next job, I received 19 days PTO( sick time and vacation combined ) and you could use them as you wished. So happy, when I was laid off, I received all the pay in a pile.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: These are often austarity / furlough measures needed by the company to stay afloat. Even if the company is making money, it's often a requirement set by the members on the board that income must remain above a certain point for continued financing. There's a number of reasons, but it's never because they simply "hate" unions... it's because the company has to. A lot of people think it unfair also that managers don't get cut, while the workers do. The thing is, as it stands... managers are less easily replaceable than the workers are. Just kind of how it works.

As I once read from one of the Masters in business. There is no such thing as profit. What profit really mean is the cost of doing business in the future as all earnings and net income goes towards cost at sometime or another. Without it, there is no future for the business.