Unions usually provide strike pay. Just because they voted to strike doesn't mean they will, but the threat of immediate shut down is a great bargaining tool. I know right now it sucks, but without the union her job could suck a lot worse, if it even existed. If she is called to picket tell her to go, often strike pay is contingent on it.
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
Oh, well, my wife was in a union and the company decided to get rid of 7 union jobs and rehire some workers to do the same work but for less pay. My wife didn't play their game and decided unemployment was better. The union steward was one of the people who took the non-union position. That was pretty ironic. So much for brotherhood and such... Tell me again what all those union dues went to???
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84fiero123 Member
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Unions usually provide strike pay. Just because they voted to strike doesn't mean they will, but the threat of immediate shut down is a great bargaining tool. I know right now it sucks, but without the union her job could suck a lot worse, if it even existed. If she is called to picket tell her to go, often strike pay is contingent on it.
Very true, it may just keep that sick pay at the first day you are sick, just by the mere threat of a strike.
Also true strike pay may be contingent on walking the line if they do strike. I have to wonder what kind of company wants to cut sick pay to the point you have to be out for at least 4 days before you get sick pay. That I have never heard of at anyplace I have worked, union or nonunion.
It’s about time for you to get a job anyway Boonie. Melanie was saying that just the other day, “you have way to much time on your hands. You need a job.”
At least from the amount of strange threads you post. I told you have always posted strange threads, just more now that you aren’t working.
Steve
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GT86 Member
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Originally posted by 84fiero123: I have to wonder what kind of company wants to cut sick pay to the point you have to be out for at least 4 days before you get sick pay. That I have never heard of at anyplace I have worked, union or nonunion.
Because it's often abused by people looking for a day off without using a vacation day, or without loss of pay.
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Posts: 20709 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
If she can cross the picket line I would advise her to do so. Although you do run the risk of having eggs thrown at your vehicle, tires slashed, body damage or the windshield busted in, but it's between a bunch of brute who could care less about her and your family and having income and food on your table and the rent paid.
I would advise her not to cross the line for the first couple of days as those picketing are often times very drunk and belligerent. But after a couple of days it should be cool.
We don't get paid for any sick time unless its at least 4 days and accompanied by a doctors excuse. There are some people that confuse sick time with vacation and personal days.
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Boondawg Member
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Originally posted by GT86: Because it's often abused by people looking for a day off without using a vacation day, or without loss of pay.
You are only allowed so many sick days a year, correct?
Then why would you use them for a day off? You are allowed them right? When you take them is your business if you are sick or not, correct? You just hate unions.
Steve
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Boondawg Member
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You are only allowed so many sick days a year, correct?
Then why would you use them for a day off? You are allowed them right? When you take them is your business if you are sick or not, correct? You just hate unions.
Steve
As I said, a lot of people do use them for personal days. It's not uncommon for companies to delay sick pay until day 3 or 4, in order to discourage people from calling in sick simply because they want the day off without using a vacation or personal day. Your assertion that it doesn't matter if I use a sick day regardless of whether I'm sick or not is precisely the issue.
And no, I don't hate unions. However, like everything else, the worker/management relationship is about balance. Many unions have badly skewed that balance, to the point they have become a destructive force both for themselves and the organization that provides their jobs.
If she can cross the picket line I would advise her to do so. Although you do run the risk of having eggs thrown at your vehicle, tires slashed, body damage or the windshield busted in, but it's between a bunch of brute who could care less about her and your family and having income and food on your table and the rent paid.
I would advise her not to cross the line for the first couple of days as those picketing are often times very drunk and belligerent. But after a couple of days it should be cool.
But I would cross
Depending on the union, your car could be flipped over and burnt ( i have seen that personally many many years ago ) , your house shot at or burnt. Cement shoes... I personally wont cross one, even if i am not a member of the union that is on strike.
Depending on the union, your car could be flipped over and burnt ( i have seen that personally many many years ago ) , your house shot at or burnt. Cement shoes... I personally wont cross one, even if i am not a member of the union that is on strike.
And union backers wonder why unions have such a bad image
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Loyal to a group of people she just started working with, instead of doing what is needed to bring income home? Misplaced loyalty, IMHO.
Solidarity, I guess. She see's it as there are 2 sides in this battle. Owners & workers. She knows she is not an owner. So the group she belongs to MUST be the workers.
That is how she see's it. If she has to, she will get another job, but she won't betray her "group".
It's all new to me. I'm not sure how I would handle it, but I do know she has always been a better heart then me. I trust her heart.
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Solidarity, I guess. She see's it as there are 2 sides in this battle. Owners & workers. She knows she is not an owner. So the group she belongs to MUST be the workers.
That is how she see's it. If she has to, she will get another job, but she won't betray her "group".
It's all new to me. I'm not sure how I would handle it, but I do know she has always been a better heart then me. I trust her heart.
I suppose I understand that point of view, even though I disagree with it. For me, the needs of my family would far outweigh the desire to show solidarity with people I barely knew. Especailly over something as trivial as sick days.
I do wish you and yours luck though.
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GT86 Member
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Both sides have done bad things, not just the union.
No denying that, but you rarely hear about management thugs going out and flipping cars, shooting at or burning houses, or putting people in cement shoes.
"Management thug" just doesn't have the same ring as "union thug"
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37859 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
We have unlimited sick leave in my company. If you need to take off for a doctor or illness, we take it off with pay. No questions asked, no permission needed, no documentation or note.
But we're non-union productive professionals, so none of us abuse it.
That's the beauty of non-union shops.
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
We have unlimited sick leave in my company. If you need to take off for a doctor or illness, we take it off with pay. No questions asked, no permission needed, no documentation or note.
But we're non-union productive professionals, so none of us abuse it.
That's the beauty of non-union shops.
Ah yes, personal accountability and responsibility. An unfathomable idea for lots of folks
Boon I'm sorry and I hope they settle quickly. But come on they are covering their ass because they are tired of loosing it. Would you rather they just fire people that take sick time that are not sick? I find the 4 day limit fair enough, I have only used it once in 11 years. Its not as heartless as you think. Times are hard and businesses are having to adjust to keep the doors open. We all are having to make sacrifices. If not being able to call in for a sick day anytime you want is too much for you then perhaps you should rethink why you were hired to do your job. If I was running a business I wouldn't want employees calling in for a day off without notice first.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33183 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Umm, your wife's employer will be needing a few folk, .
Possibly but, as with other employers, giving them a reason to move their shop to a more favorable business environment is always on the table. Why do you think employers are vacating California? Competing in the market place is tough business. I don't blame Unions to trying to keep benefits they've negoiated previously but, the world is changing.
Unions need to figure out that they don't own the company and the company can move or hire new folks. It's happening everywhere. If those few days of sick leave are so important, go for it but, don't be surprised when it back fires on them. Just look at Harley Davidson. There is no doubt in my mind that if the union had not agreed to HD's demands, HD would have moved. One needs to understand who is really in charge. That applies to everyone but the UAW. They own a big chunk of the auto industry now. Let's see what they do with it.
Ron
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
Unions need to figure out that they don't own the company and the company can move or hire new folks. It's happening everywhere.
I've never understood why unions choose to vote themselves out of a job. What's the victory there?
And yes, it's happening everywhere. Make it too difficult to do business and be competitive, and companies will move elsewhere. One example from last week: http://www.bnd.com/2010/11/...-1000-jobs-from.html
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Boon I'm sorry and I hope they settle quickly. But come on they are covering their ass because they are tired of loosing it. Would you rather they just fire people that take sick time that are not sick?
I think you got me twisted. I never said anyone was in the right or wrong.
Actually, the only thing I questioned was the timing.
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Posts: 6570 From: Robbinsdale MN US Registered: Dec 1999
"Company employee Andy Lucker, who has worked at the East Alton plant for the past year and a half, said the contract that he and other union workers were presented Tuesday was the same one that they voted down over two weeks ago. He said the concessions included eliminating workers' HMOs, getting rid of a fifth week of paid vacation, a seven-year wage freeze and a reclassification of some jobs."
On the job for a 1.5 yrs and has 5 weeks paid vacation? Normal non-union shops you'll work up to 8 years before you get that much. Losing the HMO.. well thank Obamacare that boondoggle is going to force a lot of companies to either seek concessions (McDonalds comes to mind) or they'll drop the coverage. The 7yr pay freeze might be something that could have been negotiated, but they probably have a set schedule based on yrs worked not on performance.. (Yet another way Unions work against themselves and the workers)
Sorry.. best of luck on your situation, just wanted to comment on the link..
I think you got me twisted. I never said anyone was in the right or wrong.
Actually, the only thing I questioned was the timing.
I wasn't singling you or your wife out and if thats the way it came across I apologize. Its not her fault. Yes the timing sucks, lets hope that it is settled soon.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I've never understood why unions choose to vote themselves out of a job. What's the victory there?
And yes, it's happening everywhere. Make it too difficult to do business and be competitive, and companies will move elsewhere. One example from last week: http://www.bnd.com/2010/11/...-1000-jobs-from.html
Interesting read right here about this company you posted.
Does it really suck working for Olin-Winchester Unemployed Steel Worker Jerseyville, IL
Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#1 Aug 17, 2009 Judged:  1 Heard that this place really is a bad place to work from fellow steel workers.Anyone out there know if this is true? Forced over time,no cost of living raises,sub pay and that people are talked down to by management ect. so so true Granite City, IL
Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#2 Aug 30, 2009 Judged:  1 you do get forced overtime. If someone calls off and your shift was ending you can just forget about it. I've worked 4pm till noon the next day. Management could care less about you. God forbid you have a sick child to take car of or you have a close relative in the hospital. They made me take my FMLA and gave me grief on that. Plus every time you turn around there is a machine breaking, very unsafe. If I could find another place to work while still making the same amount at Olin I would be gone in a Heartbeat. Plus a lot of co workers get drunk a lot and come in hungover and still smelling like the night before. Like I said, unsafe!! never off Carrollton, IL
Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#3 Aug 31, 2009 The worst company in the world in the treatment of their employees. The company believes if you work for them they own you. We work six to twelve days straight, eight to sixteen hours everyday. If you need a day off you will be told no. If you miss work you will fired. If you are late you will be fired. If you leave work early you will be fired. Employees are not treated fairly. I could go on but I just don't want to. Big Daddy Chesterfield, IL
Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#4 Jan 6, 2010 If you call off work tomorrow because you are snowed in "You will be fired" so risk your life to get to work because Olin doesn't give a **** about you! http://www.topix.com/forum/...il/T312R1KDFUEBVKDCT
Still say they are such a good company? They are making millions supplying ammo for the government and are just abusing their employees.
Nice, no need for a union, right? There are 2 sides to every story. Steve
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33183 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Agreed, and I'm never surprised by exaggerations and half truths, especially ones I read on the internet. I am not anti-union, infact, having been a Production Manager in both Union and Non-Union facilities, I actually prefer a Union facility but, there has to be good leadership on both sides of the table. That is not always the case.
Ron
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Boonie this is all part of playing the game. Hopefully it will be a short strike and you and your wife can go on with your life. Not all unions are evil but, good or bad, you have to live by their rules if you are a member. Hopefully they will reach an agreement really quick. The company will lose money for each day the workers are on strike. They basically never can keep up the same levels of production, even if they can get some scabs to cross the picket line, because the workers they are trying to replace are more skilled and experienced than the scabs.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Originally posted by Boondawg: No. The company sprung it against the union to be timed with the holiday season? Is that the way these kind of things are actually played?
Possible trying to get the union to call for a strike when the company knows it won’t hurt them. If they goad the union into calling a strike now it will give them the ammo they need to do what ever they want.
Steve
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Black Lotus Member
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I think all this is, is a strike authorization. Doesn't mean they'll strike.
Very true, they have to have a vote to AUTHORIZE a strike. They can decide to strike right now, or at a later date. Now would be what the employer would like if Boonie is right about the holidays coming up and they get paid for those days. If they strike now the company gets to not pay them for their holidays if it lasts that long.
A common practice and nothing but corporate BS. They get what they want and don’t have to pay the employees holiday pay.
But if the union is smart they will delay the strike untill after the holidays. They will then be in a better bargaining position. Some unions are not that smart. Some unions higher ups may be in bed with the company and working with the company for something in their pockets.
The union is no different than the company in the last case scenario.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
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