Last night the people voted "PRESENT".

We finally have a winner and a whinner in the governors race. Alex Sink concedes.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I wouldn't be too happy about all this, you still only have 1/3rd of the power in DC. Now you'll have to share responsibility as well. We all know that the current situation was a long time brewing and it started before the D's took power, that's pretty much a given. The difference now is, you can't continue to blame the D's only because of your shared power. It's so odd watching you guys on here complaining about how Obama and Democrats ruined the country, when all the while it was Bush and the Republicans who had the power leading up to and into the recession. You have to own a piece of it again, so enjoy the all the ridiculous assertions coming your way. All in all this is probably going to end up with a lot of deadlock again.

For how many years dems have blamed the republicans for every pile of crap that exists in this country.
You guys own the blame game.
The one third thing in funny! After last night the dems who are up in 2012 are as nervous as a dog $hitting a rope.
Look for a couple of party swaps.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: It's so odd watching you guys on here complaining about how Obama and Democrats ruined the country, when all the while it was Bush and the Republicans who had the power leading up to and into the recession. All in all this is probably going to end up with a lot of deadlock again.

Good, intelligent people can argue about how much blame goes to Bush and the Republicans, versus Obama and Democrats regarding the recession.


That CANNOT be said about the "healthcare bill". That was totally and completely and forcibly an Obama and the democrats bill and responsibility. The majority of Americans were against it BEFORE it passed, and are against it now. And that was A major motivation for voting the arrogant, unrepresentative bums out.

So if the result of all this is deadlock, that is a FANTASTIC alternative to the democrat's SOCIALIST agenda we have been living under.

One of the greatest times in the history of American government from my viewpoint was when republicans won the House in the early 1990's and they wouldn't give Clinton a bill he would sign and so there was no "budget". So ALL government services except for "essential" services were shut down...and essentially nobody's life changed. No outcry. People just kept on living. Hey, gotta love limited government. That was the original intent of our constitutional republic.

Deadlock. That sounds heavenly right now.

And then in 2 years, the completion of the dismantling of the "healthcare bill".

Which will be a good thing, because then ACTUAL problems with the health care system can be productively addressed, instead of the socialist takeover that didn't solve the real problems.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I wouldn't be too happy about all this, you still only have 1/3rd of the power in DC. Now you'll have to share responsibility as well. We all know that the current situation was a long time brewing and it started before the D's took power, that's pretty much a given. The difference now is, you can't continue to blame the D's only because of your shared power. It's so odd watching you guys on here complaining about how Obama and Democrats ruined the country, when all the while it was Bush and the Republicans who had the power leading up to and into the recession. You have to own a piece of it again, so enjoy the all the ridiculous assertions coming your way. All in all this is probably going to end up with a lot of deadlock again.

The importance in this election isn't about who to blame, believe it or not. It is about the people being SO unhappy with their representatives that major sweeping changes occurred to clean out some of the "ruling class".

And for me personally ,a deadlock is EXACTLY what this country needs. Ever notice how the less the government can accomplish, the BETTER OFF the people are?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I wouldn't be too happy about all this, you still only have 1/3rd of the power in DC. Now you'll have to share responsibility as well. We all know that the current situation was a long time brewing and it started before the D's took power, that's pretty much a given. The difference now is, you can't continue to blame the D's only because of your shared power. It's so odd watching you guys on here complaining about how Obama and Democrats ruined the country, when all the while it was Bush and the Republicans who had the power leading up to and into the recession. You have to own a piece of it again, so enjoy the all the ridiculous assertions coming your way. All in all this is probably going to end up with a lot of deadlock again.

Whose "you"?

I thought WE were all Americans and America won last night. So the question is who are YOU if not one of us Americans?

The people do not want deficeit spending, socialized medicine, and big centralized government. THAT was the message last night. And if Obama and the Reid try to obstruct the legislation that is generated by the House then the American people will remember that in 2012...so.....obstruct!

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quote Originally posted by Flamberge: The importance in this election isn't about who to blame, believe it or not. It is about the people being SO unhappy with their representatives that major sweeping changes occurred to clean out some of the "ruling class". And for me personally ,a deadlock is EXACTLY what this country needs. Ever notice how the less the government can accomplish, the BETTER OFF the people are?

Not for those who covet. Blame is the ONLY thing that matters to them.
Odd, you'd think they would have learned a little in the last 6 months anyway, but I guess not. They tried the blame game the entire campaign, and it didn't work, but when it's all ya got, I guess ya have to run with it.

Maybe they'll trot out the race card again as well, and see if it plays any better now than it did in '09/early 2010 when congress was "debating" (that word loosely used) the healthcare bill.

quote I wouldn't be too happy about all this, you still only have 1/3rd of the power in DC.

Don't worry, we can now hold off for two years to finish the job of sweeping all the bums out in 2012. You didn't like the conservatives being the party of "NO", get ready for the party of "HELL NO".

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: I no longer want to live here, but I don't have the financial means to leave.

I am willing to donate five bucks to help you move somewhere that you can be happy.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I am willing to donate five bucks to help you move somewhere that you can be happy.

I imagine he might take it if you actually earned it at a job. But if you got the $5 bucks from daddy's inheritance or a ridiculous law suit against a struggling business owner you can keep it and your hate.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I am willing to donate five bucks to help you move somewhere that you can be happy.

Not being from California, isn't there some sort of "surcharge" on your donation? So it will probably actually cost you EIGHT bucks to give him five to help him move.

Well, look who showed up!

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: It's so odd watching you guys on here complaining about how Obama and Democrats ruined the country, when all the while it was Bush and the Republicans who had the power leading up to and into the recession

Your continued belief in this is your downfall. It's the same mentality of the majority in California, which is figuratively slipping into the ocean because of liberal policies.

Obama and the Dems added 4 trillion dollars to the national debt in less than 2 years. You don't see that as a major problem?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I imagine he might take it if you actually earned it at a job. But if you got the $5 bucks from daddy's inheritance or a ridiculous law suit against a struggling business owner you can keep it and your hate.

Daddy's inheritance? My grandfather was a migrant farm worker, a police officer, an Army Air Corp radio operator in a bomber over the Pacific. He drove a taxi for a while, and invited many who were down on their luck to live with his family. But when he died he was broke. So no inheritance there. I don't know if you meant my dad, but he is very much alive, spending his retirement teaching literacy and participating in missionary work through their church.

As far as my lawsuit against a "struggling businessman" (actually owners of several malls and shopping centers nationwide) I only hope that you never haove to face that decision in your life. I can't say I would make the same choices. But any money received was far less then my medical bills, and far less then what I could have made being able to work.

Why do you think that my offer is hateful? Just because you hate yourself for being a short balding failure at marriage and fatherhood, that doesn't mean everyone's motives are hateful.

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quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I am willing to donate five bucks to help you move somewhere that you can be happy.

Did you get that $5 from government aide?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Your continued belief in this is your downfall. It's the same mentality of the majority in California, which is figuratively slipping into the ocean because of liberal policies. Obama and the Dems added 4 trillion dollars to the national debt in less than 2 years. You don't see that as a major problem?

not a belief. just look at any calander. the economy started failing WAY before Obama got in and started making his own mess on top of your mess.

quote Originally posted by InTheLead: Did you get that $5 from government aide?

Nope. I don't receive any government aide. Thanks for.asking. I have not applied for any aide.

I cant wait to hear Obamas speech this afternoon. First Ive listened to. Wonder what hes got to say now that his 'enemies' (his own words) kicked all his buddies out. Im sure the teleprompter is getting a thorough check out because on his own all hed be able to do is stutter.

As for today.... I say "YEA!"

I do enjoy the "blame Bush" comments, but it seems as if this is the answer to everything lately. Last time I looked, Bush didn't write legislation, but it was Congress who did and it was dems who were in charge. The same is true for now, but Obama is also a dem and it is his stupid ideas that the democrat controlled Congress passed. So, I say we blame the Democrats.... oh wait, this is what America said yesterday also

~We Are The Champions~

I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I've come through

We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
Cause we are the champions - of the world

I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it
I thank you all

But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise -
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race
And I aint gonna lose -

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers


Cause we are the champions - of the world...

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You think Freddy Mercury would have voted for conservatives?

<-- Insert pic of Freddy Mercury here.

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quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I am willing to donate five bucks to help you move somewhere that you can be happy.

Uh, yeah. Gee. Nice.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: You think Freddy Mercury would have voted for conservatives? <-- Insert pic of Freddy Mercury here.

Well...........

Wow, everyone loves the people who donated to Antuzzi to move out of California. I was just trying to get in on the ground floor of helping a fellow forum member out of an untenable situation. If it is that bad here for you, why should your friends allow you to stay here? I know that you have friends who would give more then that to help if it were only a matter of money. As others have been nice enough to point out, I am disabled with nerve damage, so any money I can earn is hard earned. Why do you assume that it is insincere?

Fine, I will keep my five bucks. I will probably buy some pot and smoke it. Legally.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I will probably buy some pot and smoke it.

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Well, if fair is fair, then the Conservative movement has 17 months or so to pull out a magic wand and fix everything they have been promising. If not, 2012 will NOT be the heyday many of you admitted conservatives are expecting, but a Democratic sloop. All I ask is the people who now are in office DO THEIR JOB. If we get 2 more years of crap partisanship, jockeying for the next election, etc... then the whole country is gonna tank. If either group wants to take their ball and go home, and not cooperate, they will find their tenure in office short lived if we have a country left to have another election. The American people did not usher a new group in just to have them play the same old games. Last chance, conservative America, to get it right... I personally hope it can happen, but I have seen the track record.. so pardon me for not getting too excited or hopeful without seeing some real moves, election wins mean nothing. What do you do with it?

Now, let's clear the air and stop blaming each other. Let's make this country great. By the way, exhaulting over those who were defeated will NOT create a culture of cooperation, so those that believe they "Won" ought to keep their traps shut and actually use this momentum to do something positive instead of saying "We won and you guys suck" etc. None of that is positive.. so anyone who is irked about a bitter liberal complaining about election results has 2 choices: They can turn that into a positive situation and encourage cooperation, or they can lord over the defeated . Which do you guys think will help this country?

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Well, if fair is fair, then the Conservative movement has 17 months or so to pull out a magic wand and fix everything they have been promising. If not, 2012 will NOT be the heyday many of you admitted conservatives are expecting, but a Democratic sloop. All I ask is the people who now are in office DO THEIR JOB. If we get 2 more years of crap partisanship, jockeying for the next election, etc... then the whole country is gonna tank. If either group wants to take their ball and go home, and not cooperate, they will find their tenure in office short lived if we have a country left to have another election. The American people did not usher a new group in just to have them play the same old games. Last chance, conservative America, to get it right... I personally hope it can happen, but I have seen the track record.. so pardon me for not getting too excited or hopeful without seeing some real moves, election wins mean nothing. What do you do with it? Now, let's clear the air and stop blaming each other. Let's make this country great. By the way, exhaulting over those who were defeated will NOT create a culture of cooperation, so those that believe they "Won" ought to keep their traps shut and actually use this momentum to do something positive instead of saying "We won and you guys suck" etc. None of that is positive.. so anyone who is irked about a bitter liberal complaining about election results has 2 choices: They can turn that into a positive situation and encourage cooperation, or they can lord over the defeated . Which do you guys think will help this country?

Well said!

"Don't hate the players, hate the game."

I really don't think this election was about cooperation. It was about stopping the wild unchecked spending and legislation the Dems were passing with their supermajority. A stalemate is most likely the best that can be hoped for unless the Yellow Dog Dems learned something from this election. With Pelosi out of the Speaker slot, there is hope but, we'll have to see how much more can be achieved. America sent a message that we were not headed the direction the majority wanted to go. Obama, Pelosi and Reid weren't listening to those folks they work for or, maybe only to a select few. There are lessons to be learned from such events. I hoped they are smarter than they have appeared to be the last two years.

Ron

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Well, Ron, respectfully.. if cooperation does not come out of this election, then our country is likely doomed. Maybe just my opinion, but stalemate is not enough to help our country, and neither, as we have witnessed, is one-sided rule of government. (Either side.) We can watch each other slide into the pit or help each other climb out. If the newly elected do not understand that, or don't try to make it work, I imagine their time in Congress will be as short lived as the last batch.. and hopefully we will still have a country left after that small mindedness is finally over, but I have my doubts.

I understand your position and don't think you're necessarily wrong but, many of those that won last night won because of what was done over the last two years and a lot of their campaigning was done on reversing those unwanted changes. Many believe that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have done more damage to this country than can be fixed. I sincerely hope that is not true but, some of those changes were not in the best interest of this country as a whole. Agree or not, that's what the people voted for, to stop the insanity. The way things currently stand, it will take both sides to recognize that something is wrong. That is why any supermajority is a bad thing IMO.

President Obama is currently speaking to the press about last night. He has stressed several times that the message he got was that the American public expects government to serve the people but not to refight the battles of the last two years. Hiding his head in the sand will not solve our issues. The election last night was all about what has happened the last two years.

Ron

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Well, if fair is fair, then the Conservative movement has 17 months or so to pull out a magic wand and fix everything they have been promising. If not, 2012 will NOT be the heyday many of you admitted conservatives are expecting, but a Democratic sloop. All I ask is the people who now are in office DO THEIR JOB. If we get 2 more years of crap partisanship, jockeying for the next election, etc... then the whole country is gonna tank. If either group wants to take their ball and go home, and not cooperate, they will find their tenure in office short lived if we have a country left to have another election. The American people did not usher a new group in just to have them play the same old games. Last chance, conservative America, to get it right... I personally hope it can happen, but I have seen the track record.. so pardon me for not getting too excited or hopeful without seeing some real moves, election wins mean nothing. What do you do with it? Now, let's clear the air and stop blaming each other. Let's make this country great. By the way, exhaulting over those who were defeated will NOT create a culture of cooperation, so those that believe they "Won" ought to keep their traps shut and actually use this momentum to do something positive instead of saying "We won and you guys suck" etc. None of that is positive.. so anyone who is irked about a bitter liberal complaining about election results has 2 choices: They can turn that into a positive situation and encourage cooperation, or they can lord over the defeated . Which do you guys think will help this country?

You're kidding--right?

Cooperation--to continue unbridled spending policies? Not a chance. That, is NOT what America voted for yesterday. The unicorns are dead now--the rainbows evaporated with the silvery clouds. The immediate goal for the next 2 years is not to fix what has been screwed up in the last 2 years, but simply to prevent any MORE damage.

As ConnFiero said--you guys still have exec and Senate control. It's your ball game yet, but you will not have free rein to indebt the nation and it's future as you once did. not no, but Hell no.

Obama assumed responsibility for the economy in person in a speech in Michigan July 15 2009. "It's mine, give it to me, I'm responsible for it--I want it". His ballgame for the last 16 months with a majority in both houses. It's just gotten worse since that day.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I would leave, if I were you.

i did

Oh,,, the HUGE win last night was plenty enough to get some things done and sure as hell stop the insanity. The senate is very very close and a few races have not been called yet, lets not forget there are two independence in there too. The 39 senate seats that were not up for re election last night see the writing on the wall and will be paying attention now, you can flat take that to the bank.

All in all a great night. Still waiting for results here.

I'm just glad that Ohio now has a republican attorney general. At least now we will join the ranks of those states filing suit to keep Obamacare out of Ohio. Our last AG was wuss democrat who wouldn't do what the citizens of the state asked him to do.

Fellas,

Obama's 'defeat speech' acknowledged his belief to the press corps, that he can "reach across the isle" to the winners of the election. NO WAY! I say to the Republicans, listen to the voters and reject everything this radical social leftist says. Job one: Throw out the liberal agenda on (Obama-care) health care payments scheduled to become a new tax in 2014! If the Republican's do this and prove to the Doctors, seniors and small business owner, etc., America will have another big win 2 years from today!

Cordially,
Kevin

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For those that keep blaming Bush, think about this.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: You're kidding--right? Cooperation--to continue unbridled spending policies? Not a chance. That, is NOT what America voted for yesterday. The unicorns are dead now--the rainbows evaporated with the silvery clouds. The immediate goal for the next 2 years is not to fix what has been screwed up in the last 2 years, but simply to prevent any MORE damage. As ConnFiero said--you guys still have exec and Senate control. It's your ball game yet, but you will not have free rein to indebt the nation and it's future as you once did. not no, but Hell no. Obama assumed responsibility for the economy in person in a speech in Michigan July 15 2009. "It's mine, give it to me, I'm responsible for it--I want it". His ballgame for the last 16 months with a majority in both houses. It's just gotten worse since that day.

First off "You guys" does not describe me. I am not a democrat or republican... I vote for candidates and issues, not for parties. So you're wrong. Secondly , thats convenient.. so everything that happens from now on that fits your political philosophy will be the actions of the republicans in the house, and everything you do not like will be because of those evil democrats in the senate. Lets face it, you just want it both ways so YOUR "side" (since you want to identify with sides..) can't be blamed. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm an independant moderate, I believe it is now time for both sides to come together and help our country.. you apparently believe the only reason republicans were elected was to further separate the two parties and make gridlock? I never said they had to cooperate and further Obama's agenda, but the had better cooperate or further drive our coutry into the swamp. So yeah, I AM SERIOUS.

quote Originally posted by kevin: Fellas, Obama's 'defeat speech' acknowledged his belief to the press corps, that he can "reach across the isle" to the winners of the election. NO WAY! I say to the Republicans, listen to the voters and reject everything this radical social leftist says. Job one: Throw out the liberal agenda on (Obama-care) health care payments scheduled to become a new tax in 2014! If the Republican's do this and prove to the Doctors, seniors and small business owner, etc., America will have another big win 2 years from today! Cordially, Kevin

And this upcoming $200,000,000/day trip he is going on next week will set well with the people.
I heard they are taking 40 planes to visit the Taj Mahal?
Way to add to the debt!