quote Originally posted by twofatguys: If it's not a physical problem I believe it does make them less of a person, I'm sure I'm alone in that. Who says they would rather be homeless than in the military? Someone has serious authority issues. (which would be solved by joining the Military) Brad

I kinda agree with this. To me it's a way up when you are down that lets you serve your country also. Your not sitting at home on welfare or getting food from the local food bank, you are working to make a life for yourself. Getting a education in the process is a bonus, plus learning life skills. I can't understand dismissing a term enlistment in the military if life is so down. Medical issues, yeah I get that, but I just hate the military? Heck, I have medical issues and I STILL wanted to join the military, they just wouldn't have me. My life wasn't sucky either. I graduated highschool and from the time I could legally work until the end of summer after I graduated I had saved 15k. I spent 5k getting my truck and put 4k in CDs using the other 6k to supplement my income while working a minimum wage job ($3.35 in AZ vs $6.25 in CA) at Toys 'R' Us as I attended Architecture school in AZ. I STILL wish I could have joined the military.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: From what I gather, MJ posts things that just get under Sean's skin. And Sean has voiced that several times. Even though I do believe that MJ always posts fairly and reasonably, I just also have this idea that considering Sean doesn't appreciate the way MJ talks to him, he has a right to request that MJ not post. I believe the way Sean asked was completely irresponsible, but I recognize the tough time he's been having. I won't respond to anything else because that's for Sean to defend. Good luck Sean

far too many things to reply to...lol. so first i will start with the MJ thing... i dont mean what i said as a form of telling him to stay out, and i thing he knows that. the way he states his opinion irks me, thats all. i KNOW he is well-intentioned, but i did not need anythign else to bother me that day.

now for the other things. i DO have a job...but having no reliable transportation, i have had to take off work early a LOT. all MY money went to paying the bills. im not paying for the phone bill, so my money isnt going there (it did in the past, to pay what we owed). i cant sell my droid for anything substantial, its damaged and hacked. my current, specific situation IS my dads fault. he does indeed have a "job" that is under the table, but the thing is, he continues to do it, day after day, without getting paid. ever. the rent hasent been paid in nearly two months. eviction in unlikely, our landlord knows we are good for the money, just not right this moment. at least i think he does. and the alcohol, i wasnt drinking to forget or deal with things. bDub is pretty much right, i dont really drink. i like alcohol, but getting drunk is not something i desire. i had a little vodka with my buddy and my ex. alcohol makes me "frisky" and tired, so typing was difficult.

and the military... you people DO realize not everyone supports them, right? and i dont have a real issue with authority, but im not a "GO DO THIS, MAGGOT!" kinda person. im a "no, id rather not...i dont see the point..." kinda guy. and everyone thinking im spoiled? or feel entitled? HA. hop off your high horse for a moment, will ya? ive only been over the poverty level for maybe 2 years of my ENTIRE LIFE. the only government aid i havent used is Section 8. and most of that was with my mom for medical reasons. now its because my dad is a dink. im not sure why people think they can analyze a persons ENTIRE life and mindset over the internet....

also...ive made very few threads like this.... and maybe i didnt explain in any of them, but my way of staying happy simply involves stating my worries in a public place, and getting it "out there." im not asking for support. or help, or pity, or anything. i just had to put it somewhere people would read it. had i gotten 0 replies, id be fine, so long as it said at least one person read it. THATS ALL. i NEVER EVER whine about AYTHING. some of you know a small amount of my childhood, and those of you would understand all this a bit better.

id also like to comment on these things by MJ:
"3. Most here have offered you good advice--take it and stop looking for excuses not to. You reject the military out of hand for whateverr reason, but you won't be living in that cardboard box homeless for long before you see some sailor or coastguardsman walk by with a girl on his arm, in clean clothes, knowing he is living in a nice warm barracks, with 3 good meals/day, good pay and putting money in the bank each month. You chide your father for not taking the "Mcjob" he doesn't want (tho he badly needs to) then you turn around and cast off the easiest and most obvious answer to your own problems. You don't have to make it a career, just use it to get on your feet, while also expanding your horizons and gaining an education. You can go back to Madison afterwards and pursue your dreams.

4. The 'dreamgirl' ? Can't help ya, but know this. It's very likely, you will lose her anyway if you don't get on your feet. We all, had a dreamgirl. Some of us more than one, It's tough, but most of us eventually ended up with one we wouldn't trade for 100 of what we thought was perfect at the time.

5. Quit worrying about the newest generation iPhone, camera, etc. You are working a part time job--try finding a 2nd part time one--hopefully on the route "home" (and I use that term hesitantly) so you can just go straight from one to the next without incurring extra travel expense. If you are working 8 hrs, but just a few days a week, find a waiter's job somewhere--tips usually add up to a fairly good income."

3: i dont have "dreams." i am unambitious. my only goal is to get my own place and not live with parents anymore. i discard the military option for many reasons. i would pick homlessness over miltary for those reasons and more...first off, it aint THAT bad, and icould still work, and without bills, save up pretty quickly what i need to get a car/apartment. envy isnt something i have, so its no motivation for me.

4: the girl. she is perfect for me, and me for her. we already spent two years together, and only split because i was stupid and young. its complicated, but bdub can kinda vouch for me.

5: the only new things ive bought in the year were my camera (i sell stuff a lot, a nice camera comes in handy) and a DS (need things to do during the downtime at work). thats about $200 total. im use to not even gettig new CLOTHING except on xmas and birthdays, so im not concerned with getting new stuff all the time, nor do i have a need for it. i got my Droid when i had plenty of cash, thats the one thing i felt a teenaged "need" for. my lack of money is due to BEING RESPONSIBLE and paying the bills my dad couldnt, so we didnt lose phone service and/or get evicted. with the money he owes me i could have fixed my car, worked more hours/gotten fulltime, and/or moved out already. and actually, i plan on working my full shifts from now on, kinda a "fu** you" to my dad (i need his vehicle to get to and from work, so he will be without it when im at work).

and i think it was you, MJ, who mentioned my aunt? i was going to borrow money from her, but we talked a bunch and i couldnt even ask... i do like her a lot, and cant risk her thinking i just like her for her money...and she said her money people said she will be flat broke in three years (she has a degenerative condition that will kill her before then probably, and shouldnt even have lived this long to start with). but she lives in Wausau..which isnt much better than here anyways.

i do appreciate the support, and advice (even tho some of you misunderstand my life COMPLETELY and are total dicks about it...), but like i said,i wasnt looking for pity or help. im the kind of person who NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER whines or complains. my only way to get things off my chest was my blog on myspace, but the one person who read them stopped reading them...so it became a diary. i need to at least THINK someone reads what i say in order for it to get off my chest. ask bdub. he was kind enough to be my outlet with female drama. he allowed me to vent to him, and it has enabled me to get things off my chest so i can stop obsessing over them and continue being happy.


i feel i am missing a lot, but idc. very few of you, if any, have any general concern, so im not too worried about it. anyone thinking im spoiled or havent had it bad enough yet, seriously needs to learn to stop making silly assumptions.... ive had far worse than now (your mom ever told you if you move away they will kill themselves asap? ever had her tell you she honestly thinks she might wake up i nthe middle of the night and stab you to death in your sleep? thats a couple months of my life 4 years ago, and many years of my life when i was little. far more things which are not suitable for public discussion as well..), i simply am not a little bit**-boy who needs money and things to be happy. as i said, i just needed to vent. been homeless plenty of times, was still happy. been flat broke for most of my life, stayed happy. had to take care of myself for years in elementary school as my mom was bed ridden for 2-3 years straight. my goal is to be happy. not to have money, or a house, or a job. i would NOT be happy in the military. i would have food and money and a place to live, but none of that matters if you arent happy. might get a few negs for this, but, i cant honestly support our country. joining the armed forces would be like regularly attending church and taking part in it...im an atheist. i will not support something i dont fully support.

im tired, i got work tomorrow, so, bit** some more at me if youd like, or continue to make foolish assumptions about me, or whatever. bdub and MJ had the best contributions by far.... bdub is the only one who defended me, and MJ is the only one who had real blunt advice but gave it in a respectable way (on that subject....IDGAF who he is or what life he lived. if i feel someone is being disrespectful to me, or simply beign a dick, i will respond accordingly. if i pissed him off or offended him then im sorry, but from his replies, ithink he understood what i meant. his fanboys however, much like most fanboys, didnt bother to fully comprehend the situation)

Good follow up, Sean. I do think this clears things up for some people. If they keep b!tching, then they have something against you personally IMO

Only thing I'll disagree with is this:

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: i NEVER EVER whine about AYTHING.

Just look at your Facebook statuses. Lol. But it's not like you're a whiny little girl I'm just saying you DO whine sometimes, you can't say you don't.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Just look at your Facebook statuses. Lol. But it's not like you're a whiny little girl I'm just saying you DO whine sometimes, you can't say you don't.

i understand what you mean, but facebook is somethign i dont count as "life." or "real." its just another place i can vent. cant do lengthy things, or anythign too personal, since i dont need people i actually know to see things like this. the most "REAL" whining i do is the occasional "...stupid a$$ car..." or "...f***ing stupid a$$ dad..." under my breath to a friend lol. as far as actual whining goes, i see it like i see crying and anger...there is no point and it gets you nowhere

You do realize, that

1. Almost everyone here has been in those shoes at your age--or at some point in life--or had no shoes at all (metaphorically)?

2. Almost everyone here has been flat ass broke after "being responsible" because they paid all their household bills?

3. That even if you had your own place, that you would be in the same financial condition you are now--or worse because you would be paying all or your share of the bills?

You're 20--your supposed to be responsible at this stage of your life. You don't want to know what I was doing at 20, but it was my choice and I never regretted it.

The day I graduated highschool and got a job, I was, like all my brother's and sisters, required to pay an even % of the household bills at home. Actually had to as well when working my summer jobs between school terms. 1/3 of the elec, 1/3 of the phone. 1/3 of the gas and water, and $30/week to my mother for laundry and the meals I ate at home. It started off at 1/5, but as my 2 older sisters married and left home, my % increased, and my father had plenty of $--it was just his way to teach us responsibility and to 'encourage' us to get out on our own. Live under his roof--follow his rules. That left me with just about enough money to get back and forth to work, eat lunch, and a few gallons of gas to run the roads fri and sat night. I had spent my sophomore year working in my father's auto shop in exchange for an old Ford with 100,000+ miles on it, and 100,000 miles on a 64 Ford in 1966 meant it was slap worn out--unlike modern vehicles where 100K miles is nothing. But, it beat walking. All 4 of us kids worked in that shop from a very young age--13-14 years old--maybe younger--can't rememer, but i never had a summer off from it during my last years of elementary and junior high school till I took my first summer job--and we never got paid a dime other than that $325 car. Don't get me wrong, I had a wonderful father that taught me ethics, integrity, how to work, a trade, and values, but he was hell on wheels when it came to responsibility, honesty, truth, rules, and pullin my share of the load from a very young age.

All that is very true, Don, and undoubtedly made you the stand-up guy we know. However, there is a BIG however in faaaaq's case, which is extremely different to yours: he doesn't have a father who has a clue how to show a boy.to.man HOW to live and learn, and faaaaq has had to do that himself. HE doesn't have the strong cornerstone in his foundation that many of us did/have.That being said, I think faaaaq has done his best, in a childhood/youth none of us would envy.
But I have to say this in conclusion: your words, and obvious affection for a youngster who is having a hard time of it, are kind, considered and, more importantly, excellent advice/comments...and faaaaq knows it. So I will say thanks to you too, for caring, and being kind in the way you expressed everything.
faaaaq already has done so too...and I admire him for his honesty. All he needs now is to get his feet out of the mud life put him in, and I am sure he will do that too.

All true and No doubt he will at some point Nick, and I meant to add, that I really doubt his aunt would ever think he only likes her just because she has some money. Old folks generally are not like that, and he can always repay her when things are more favorably suited. I would 'suggest', that he approach her with a written agreement (after explaining his goals and ambitions) and see if he can't work something out, just as one might with their first uncollatoralized bank loan. Repayment, if not in kind, then in anything she may need done around her home. But, he first has to have a workable plan to get himself out of an unfavorable and untenable situation--otherwise, the $ will disappear with no return on the investment and he will find himself right back where he was the day he started this thread.

I know many people have lived equally hard lives, some even harder. I was simply showing I am in no way spoiled and never had anything in my life to make me feel entitled to anything.

And my aunt, I've known her for many years now, but haven't seen her for nearly 4 years and we don't talk often. My fear lays mostly in the fact that almost nobody in my family even admitted she existed till she won her lawsuit and got a $4million settlement

I don't have time to address anything else ATM. But please remember my original post was simply venting, fueled by sudden events and feelings I needed off my chest. No more than that.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: ... im not a "GO DO THIS, MAGGOT!" kinda person. im a "no, id rather not...i dont see the point..." kinda guy.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: However, there is a BIG however in faaaaq's case, which is extremely different to yours: he doesn't have a father who has a clue how to show a boy.to.man HOW to live and learn, and faaaaq has had to do that himself.

Hmm.
maryjane, did you ever tell your Dad "no, id rather not...i dont see the point..." ?
faaaaq, you have a serious misunderstanding of the services. Have you ever been to a recruiter ?

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: and the military... you people DO realize not everyone supports them, right?

Funny. I bet you support the idea of being free though don't you? I guess you think that only happens through luck. You REALLY need to man up and stop being such a b1tch. Now I'm goddamn mad.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: and the military... you people DO realize not everyone supports them, right? and i dont have a real issue with authority, but im not a "GO DO THIS, MAGGOT!" kinda person. im a "no, id rather not...i dont see the point..." kinda guy.

I'm just curious, what kind of job do you have that you don't have to follow what people tell you to do. Most jobs have training and managers who tell you what and when to do it. Do you tell them nah, I don't feel like doing that right now, when you are told what to do? You don't know much about he military if you actually think people are called Maggots. (maybe it happens in boot camp but then it stops there) But, I'm sure I won't be able to convince you otherwise since you don't believe in the military. You wouldn't last long in the military if you think it's okay to steal stuff anyway. Little story for you. My daughter was in the same situation as you, but it was her husband that screwed her over. She was a couple of months pregnant with their second child. He decided he could make extra money by stealing from the Army. Stole 3 night vision scopes, got caught and they waited for months to see what was going to happen. Right after my daughter gave birth to the second child, her husband got the sentence, four months in jail. It was a real eye opener for her. The situation left her with little to no money. I told her to come home, but she wanted to do it on her own. She didn't ***** or whine, she was devastated (she had no idea that her husband could do that) for sure and she cried because she didn't know how she was going to feed her kids. She was reserve AF at the time, one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year kind of thing. She pulled up her boot straps, held her head high and went into her commander and told him what was going on. Yeah, it was terribly embarrassing for her, but she did what she had to do. Asked him if there were any full time positions available, and since she was a great worker, he found a spot for her. We helped her feed her kids for one month, she never stole from anyone, or asked for any handouts. She pulled herself together and did what she had to, she paid all the bills on time, fed the girls first, ate what was left, and didn't cry about it, you got to do what you have to do. She's remarried now, got the girls in a great daycare, working full time still and loving life.

Life is what you make it of it, sometimes crap gets thrown at you, you just have to deal with it and go on. You got a job, ask your employer if anyone lives around you to carpool with. You being single it's so much easier. Pull it together, don't blame your dad for your situation. You have the ability to get out of the situation, if that's what you want, do it.

It's funny, I told one of my older customers to have a good day and you know what she said. "It would be my fault if I didn't, wouldn't it?" It hit me, life IS what YOU make of it. You can ***** and whine, but that doesn't help, you just have to figure out what you want and figure out a way to get you there.

I wish you the best....

Dar

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quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: Funny. I bet you support the idea of being free though don't you? I guess you think that only happens through luck. You REALLY need to man up and stop being such a b1tch. Now I'm goddamn mad.

Be mad, I couldn't care less. If yer gunna ***** go do it to someone who isn't joining the service due to laziness instead of someone who has reasons.

And I don't misunderstand the service. You get orders, you need to follow said orders. Grave consequences if you don't. The service is not for everyone. If it was, everyone would join.

So you have some reasons for not wanting to join the military. I can appreciate that. I think it may be based in part on misconceptions of what military life is. But no one can change your perceptions but yourself.

Have you thought about Job Corps?

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: So you have some reasons for not wanting to join the military. I can appreciate that. I think it may be based in part on misconceptions of what military life is. But no one can change your perceptions but yourself. Have you thought about Job Corps?

Honestly I don't know what that is

And I have many reasons. I know people from almost every branch so I feel I understand enough rlto allow me to make viable opinions and decisions on the topic

Faaaq. Be careful about what you have to say about OUR military men and women. If not for them, you would not be able to live in America. I wish ya luck man, but I have never appreciated, or respected anyone that talks badly of our soldiers. And yes, that is what you seem to be doing.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Hmm. maryjane, did you ever tell your Dad "no, id rather not...i dont see the point..." ? faaaaq, you have a serious misunderstanding of the services. Have you ever been to a recruiter ?

Once only.
Oddly enough, he decided he'd "rather not" provide me with a meal that evening.

Oh, btw of explanation---there's no MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) for juggalos.

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Lay off the military thing!

He's not trying to be disrespectful in any way. Just saying he doesn't want to join. Then you guys push down his throats how irresponsible that is.

You know what? I would never join the armed forces either. Does that make me some irresponsible kid who doesn't understand the real meaning of pain? Don't pretend to understand my life, or Sean's. We have the right to make those decisions ourselves.

My reasons lie within the fact that I can't help kill anyone. I completely understand the purpose and I do support it. But I personally do not have what it takes mentally to kill another human being. That would mess with my head SO much. I understand that about myself, and I didn't join the forces. And guess what? I'm not some idiot spoiled brat who doesn't know what it means to be a man.

So PLEASE let it go. Sean has his reasons. Mine aren't that personal, but maybe his are. He has his reasons. And he's not going to join.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Faaaq. Be careful about what you have to say about OUR military men and women. If not for them, you would not be able to live in America. I wish ya luck man, but I have never appreciated, or respected anyone that talks badly of our soldiers. And yes, that is what you seem to be doing.

A lack of support is not disrespectful... I OPPOSE religion, bdub pretty much knows that, but I would never disrespect him or the church. If someone Burns. A flag ill beat their a$$. I have no plans to allow anyone to disrespect military folks. I simply don't fully support the military or want to join them. Its not disrespectful to have my own opinions and feelings. It IS disrespectful to treat me how some of you are. Or do only service men and women deserve respect..?

Bdub is right. Rag on me all u want but drop the military thing.

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Okay, you don't support the military. Fine, 'nuff said. In the same token, I don't support the fact that you have a 'woe is me, daddy won't make more money to support his adult son' attitude. Good God (<== religious reference - my bad ) do SOMETHING for yourself and pull your lips away from daddy's tits. Ya' know, I'm a pro-life guy for the most part, but for your case, I would have made an exception. Just focus on what your good at, crapping out on life and blaming everyone else.

quote Originally posted by fierogirls-mom: I'm just curious, what kind of job do you have that you don't have to follow what people tell you to do. Most jobs have training and managers who tell you what and when to do it. Do you tell them nah, I don't feel like doing that right now, when you are told what to do?

Even if you work for yourself you still have people telling you what to do, or you have no customers.

Tho you don't like to be called on it, I also think the military is being dismissed far to easily, especially with the 'not all approve' statement. There are a lot of things we don't approve of in life that we do but that is just the way things are. Life isn't supposed to be simplistic and only do what we want to do. You learn from those experiences.

And i still say, don't like the sitaution you are, man up and change it. You have the power to do it if you want it bad enough. And the ones that do step up are the ones that have 'earned respect'.

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quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: Okay, you don't support the military. Fine, 'nuff said. In the same token, I don't support the fact that you have a 'woe is me, daddy won't make more money to support his adult son' attitude. Good God (<== religious reference - my bad ) do SOMETHING for yourself and pull your lips away from daddy's tits. Ya' know, I'm a pro-life guy for the most part, but for your case, I would have made an exception. Just focus on what your good at, crapping out on life and blaming everyone else.

well you sure are a stand-up, respectable guy worth listening to :P
you people only seem to read the things that let you troll like a madman. I ALREADY SAID, everything i said was just to vent. Compared to most people, my life is sweet. why doesnt anyone seem to listen?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: And i still say, don't like the sitaution you are, man up and change it. You have the power to do it if you want it bad enough. And the ones that do step up are the ones that have 'earned respect'.

again, like i said, everything i posted was just venting. i AM doing something to get out of here, thats why i havent paid to reconnect the power. he will no longer get ANY money from me. in a month or 2, i will have enough money to leave, i will just be waiting for my buddy to get enough money, then ill be out.

You have excuses for everything! My buddy this. My dad that. I am not a whiner. YOU need a wake up call.

While in my early twenties, a good friend told me why no one calls me. Because all I do is biatch about life. You need a moment just like that. Sorry, but true.

P.S. Hulki fought for this country. WTF did you do? He has a family. What have you got? He owns a house, several cars, and has a wife that loves him. WTF do you have? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Have fun sitting in the dark. (I have been there. I have done that.)

And......... Let the negs on me begin. You see, I tell it like it is. I don't BS. Everyone knows exactly where they sit with me, and you ain't sitting well bashing on the guy that helped start the Tyler Project. Bdub may protect you. Ramsespride may help fix your POS. But it is only you that can help yourself. Now, tell me how my thoughts don't matter. I came from absolutely nothing. I HAVE earned my respect.

Tony Mutha Faaaq'n Kania

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: You have excuses for everything! My buddy this. My dad that. I am not a whiner. YOU need a wake up call. While in my early twenties, a good friend told me why no one calls me. Because all I do is biatch about life. You need a moment just like that. Sorry, but true. P.S. Hulki fought for this country. WTF did you do? He has a family. What have you got? He owns a house, several cars, and has a wife that loves him. WTF do you have? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. and you ain't sitting well bashing on the guy that helped start the Tyler Project. Bdub may protect you. Ramsespride may help fix your POS. But it is only you that can help yourself. Now, tell me how my thoughts don't matter. I came from absolutely nothing. I HAVE earned my respect.

this is SERIOUSLY getting tiresome... do you know me in real life? no. why do you get to judge me based on the things i say when venting? bdub isnt protecting me so much as he is trying to make you all understand. He doesnt know me too well but since we talk outside of PFF he knows me BETTER than yall do, and knows im not just what i say while venting. and WHY THE F*** do you CONTINUE to dismiss half of what i say? "blahblahblah you make excuses blahblahblah" but fro mthe same thing you are referring to, i SPECIFICALLY SAID I WILL BE READY TO LEAVE IN UNDER 2 MONTHS! i dont go thru life running on self-preservation like most of you seem to do... im getting an apartment with 2 friends, so uh, i kinda need them to have money as well...dumbass. what reason do i have to show most of you respect when you wont show me any? i couldnt care less what hulki did. he was a dick to me, so why would i be nice to him? i dont continuously ***** about life. i NEVER do except when i need to vent. people who i chill with NEVER see me ***** , about ANYTHING. im always the life of the party when we get together, im ALWAYS happy-go-lucky and making people smile and laugh, etc. "omg soandso served the country, he is therefor inherently better than you!" go f yerself. i AM making a difference right now at my job. i make people happy every day. i help everyone i know with any problem they need. FAR more difference than id make in the service, one man added to countless others. you can think what you want of me, but you have no right to talk about respect or freedom when you show me none and seem to not understand your own words. i dont remember who said it, but someone said something about how i dont support the military but they are sure i support my freedom? if i had to join the military, how is that freedom? FREEDOM gives me the choice to NOT join. if you think everyone should serve their country, go live in a country that feels the same way. people like yall make patriotic people as a whole look bad. maybe MJ deserves respect. he comes of as a dick a lot, but compare the things he has said and how he has said them to your words. its interesting that he attacks me for saying things far more civilized and respectable as a whole, but lets everythign you all say fly simply because you agree with him... guessing you are the people who would support an incorrect ruling in a game of football that gave your team an advantage...

in case nobody can tell, i stopped caring a long time ago what you all think of me. i am who i am, and only a few of you seem to understand that the threads i make like this one are simply venting. if any of you actually read bdubs posts in other places (or ramsesprides)... would someone like them EVER support someone who is like what you all assume i am..?

can we just drop this damned military thing?

ITs done a few ways,

Some people (like me) wanted to join the service but were denied due to medical reasons
Some people (Like Maryjane) wanted to join the service and excelled at it
Some people (Like Faaaaq) dont want to join the service just cause.

Nobody is REQUIRED to join up and it really isnt for everyone. I can shoot alot better than most, run quite fast and i can take a great deal of a beating and still get up for more BUT due to my Colorblindness, low arch in my feet and an oversized heart they said i would be better off not joining and i even got a letter from the Person in charge of Wisconsins recruiting thanking me for atleast trying and that if i really wanted to that i could maybe volenteer my time on base blah blah blah.

Bottom line is Faaaaaaaq is in no way shape or form going to join the military the same as me.


And calling him unAmerican or weak or a sissy for not is bullshit, If someone invaded my home and sight to harm those that i care about i would not hesitate to slam a bullet thru them and the guy behind them. Now if it was say, my neighbors house, yeah i would stand up and say hey out now and maybe fire a warning shot but im not going to kill the guy without knowing what his real intentions are (analogy for the us always 'defending' other countries)

Every since I can remember, my dad was trying to get me into the military.
It was how you became a man.
At 13, he took me to town to check it out.
But growing up killing animals, I wanted no part of being shot at.

I was out on my own at 14.
At 16, he had my car towed from the Army National Guard Armory where I worked as a civilan mechanic and wouldn't give it back until I registared for the draft................2 years too early.
At 18 he threatened to do it again.

I never wanted anything to do with it.
I didn't want to be yelled at, abused, or killed.
Vietnam was on TV and in the papers.

Was I a coward?
By definition, yes.
Although alot of it had to do with my Dad trying to "give me away" to the military for as long as I can remember.
But truthfully, I was more scared of dieing then anything else.

I can say now that I am still glad I did not go to Vietnam.
But I do now wish I would have made the military my career.
I would have been suited to that type of job structure.

Had I not been a coward.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But growing up killing animals, I wanted no part of being shot at. But I do now wish I would have made the military my career. I would have been suited to that type of job structure. Had I not been a coward.

i have no fear of being shot at or killed. i have multiple reasons, including "its just not my thing." i do what makes me happy, and that doesnt include the military. im already making a concentrated difference at my job. i dont feel i have a "higher calling" and after being screwed by the gov a lot, i dont feel i owe THEM anything. i am not suited for that type of job structure.

and im no coward. the only thing i KNOW i fear, is being unable to move in a confined space, and....well, i wont ride the bus anymore after i got mugged. or walk around my neighborhood at night. ive been prepared to kill people before, to stab people, to hurt people for mine or someone elses safety, etc. i have no issue with that. ive had my life in someone elses hands (be it a knife to my throat or someone simply doing somehting stupid) and was fine in each situation. i have my reasons for not wanting to join the service, why cant we just leave it at that?

No shame in being afraid of dying Boonie. The only shame is in being afraid to live. Sounds like you did plenty of that.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: I NEVER EVER whine about AYTHING. ... im the kind of person who NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER whines or complains.

Quoted for irony. Hint: Your "venting" is indistinguishable from whining.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Quoted for irony. Hint: Your "venting" is indistinguishable from whining.

i understand that, but i dont count them as the same thing. i dismiss the internet as "not real life" since nothing that happens on PFF really has any effect on my life

quote Originally posted by maryjane: No shame in being afraid of dying Boonie. The only shame is in being afraid to live.

But lots of boys who were afraid of dieing still went and gave their all.

“Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.”

“There is no such thing as bravery; only degrees of fear.”

“The bravest thing you can do when you are not brave is to profess courage and act accordingly”

“Courage is not the absence of fear but the judgment that something else is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all. For now you are traveling the road between who you think you are and who you can be.”

And maybe The Duke said it best:

"Courage is being scared to death... and saddling up anyway." ~John Wayne

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quote Originally posted by faaaaq: i dismiss the internet as "not real life" ...

So whining on the Internet is not whining? If faaaaq is whining in a forest and there are only two billion people to hear him, is he really whining? And why do you expect us to listen? That's a serious question to ask yourself.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: So whining on the Internet is not whining? If faaaaq is whining in a forest and there are only two billion people to hear him, is he really whining? And why do you expect us to listen? That's a serious question to ask yourself.

christ.... as ive said before, I DONT CARE IF ANYONE LISTENS. next time i make a thread like this i will explicitly request nobody reply, ok? as ive said MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!! i simply needed to type it out, in a public place, and then id be rid of the bad feelings. THATS ALL

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: christ.... as ive said before, I DONT CARE IF ANYONE LISTENS. next time i make a thread like this i will explicitly request nobody reply, ok? as ive said MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!! i simply needed to type it out, in a public place, and then id be rid of the bad feelings. THATS ALL

You should consider e-mailing Cliff to request to close this thread.

Quite frankly I'm amazed at how SOME (NOT all) are responding to Sean's posts.

I'm not just sticking up for the guy because I talk to him on FB sometimes... that means nothing. We honestly hardly know each other. We just converse to converse. I'm sticking up for the guy because I can't believe how quickly this turned into a hate session.

I believe I started a rant thread one or two days before Sean's was up. I'll tell you what, I whined a heck of a lot more than Sean did and had FAR less of a reason to do so.

You know how many people told me to suck it up? One or two, can't remember if one guy posted twice or two posted once. EVERYONE ELSE SUPPORTED ME AND GAVE ME GOOD ADVICE. None of which were the military.

Why was I treated with so much more respect than Sean? I haven't even been here half a year... I don't even own a flippin' Fiero... I don't post in anything but O/T because I'm not smart enough to post anywhere else... and I certainly don't really contribute too much. Just my opinion here and there. And for some reason Sean is treated worse than me? This is stupid. The people who think Sean needs some kind of reality check need to go for a quick walk around the block, take a breather, then reread your own posts. It's not pretty.

I think this thread needs to be closed. I'm out. If you have any concerns over what I said, feel free to PM me. If you're offended by what I said, then you should take my advice about the walk and breather...

Just how many juggalos own their own home? Not talking about a shack in the hood, but actually own their own home? Something to ponder. Why do you think that they wear that makeup? I know the answer to that. Do you, juggalo?

Oh yeah BOY, calling me names is like pissing in the wind. Chances are that you will be hit in the face.

I'm done witcha.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: Why was I treated with so much more respect than Sean? I haven't even been here half a year... I don't even own a flippin' Fiero... I don't post in anything but O/T because I'm not smart enough to post anywhere else... and I certainly don't really contribute too much. Just my opinion here and there. And for some reason Sean is treated worse than me? This is stupid. The people who think Sean needs some kind of reality check need to go for a quick walk around the block, take a breather, then reread your own posts. It's not pretty. I think this thread needs to be closed. I'm out. If you have any concerns over what I said, feel free to PM me. If you're offended by what I said, then you should take my advice about the walk and breather...

it all started with PK lol... then me being a Juggalo. then "patriotic" americans who "support freedom" disagreeing with my views on some things....then i stopped caring lol. if people are going to hate, let them. ive been very civil so far, which is increasingly hard to do as most are giving me SOOOO much fuel for a fire.... but if i can fill the void in their life and make them feel better about themselves, so be it. Im making a difference in the world . you are all VERY WELCOME xD

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Just how many juggalos own their own home? Not talking about a shack in the hood, but actually own their own home? Something to ponder. Why do you think that they wear that makeup? I know the answer to that. Do you, juggalo? Oh yeah BOY, calling me names is like pissing in the wind. Chances are that you will be hit in the face. I'm done witcha.

...what? what names?
and out of the hundreds of thousands of juggalos, plenty own their own homes... i have a feeling, were it socially acceptable, you would be a VERY racist person... judging a group of people you know little to nothing about other than news stories (which ONLY focus on the bad, btw), and then purposefully using your hate to try to troll me? come hit me like you threaten, i wont even fight back. itll be nice to see how much of a man you really.

i have a feeling i will be banned sooner rather than later....but honestly, how can anyone want to be in a group of people that include highly respected people that are so hateful and closed-minded..?

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Just how many juggalos own their own home? Not talking about a shack in the hood, but actually own their own home? Something to ponder. Why do you think that they wear that makeup? I know the answer to that. Do you, juggalo?

Wow.. that quite honestly could be the worst thing I've read on this site.

You now hold my first negative... I know you don't care that much but really? That was completely rude.

You can't help some one who isn't going to help themselves.

The only question I have is if you need to vent by typing it out, why not write it in Microsoft word?
I think the only reason your putting it out in public is to have some one say "You've done everything right in the situation" or your looking for a certain feel good reaction.

What happened to moving out 4 months ago as stated in other post?
You should get your priorities together, i.e. Saving money to go to some ICP concert? How about saving that money to get a good running car or a safety deposit for an apartment.

The only one holding you back from getting out to a better life is yourself.

quote Originally posted by faaaaq: ...what? what names? and out of the hundreds of thousands of juggalos, plenty own their own homes... i have a feeling, were it socially acceptable, you would be a VERY racist person... judging a group of people you know little to nothing about other than news stories

Juggalo home ownership hits an all time high say faaaq!

I grew up in the "D". I am white. I hate Islam. Color has NOTHING to do with my hate. I have defended against racism many, many a time on this forum. I also do not erase my posts, so feel free to look it up. If you have a question about my standings on race, you do the leg work. My words do not get erased.

And judging on the icp thing is easy for me. My Mother was harrassed by them at their high school. The place that my Mother worked at for twenty plus years. Let's just say that the harrassment suddenly stopped when they were visited by my family. I definately have a strong opinion on the followers of them.


thebdub.....

Thanks man. Give me a ring after your Mom gets hit in the face by an icp member. Now, some loser calls me racist. Then you neg me. My life is now ruined forever.

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