your racist homophobe nut christian preacher fails to understand reality we have had some form of welfare for a long time in the USA and never had a large % of people try to apply let alone get payments so his statement is fear based not fact based
by far the greatest majority wants to work not be on welfare or un-employment sure there has allways been a few who stay on welfare or scam the system but despite GOP lies those are a small minority not the mass of people your false fear projects thats why this is a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT and does not reflect the real world at all
what is real is the clear evidence that cutting spending in a depression as the GOP and their southern allys tryed in 1937 does make the economy nose dive for a backward looking movement your guys sure fail to learn from your mistakes and want to repeat them over and over expecting a different result btw that is the classic definition of insanity
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fierobear Member
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With the disappointingly soft jobs report for July, and a faltering recovery overall, is Team Obama getting ready for some sort of new, liberal-left, Keynesian, big-bang stimulus package? Will they be desperate to “do something”?
Already there are rumors of an August surprise (to use the phrase of business columnist Jimmy Pethokoukis) where Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac forgive underwater mortgages held by millions of Americans. And with state and local government jobs having fallen 169,000 year-to-date, perhaps the Democratic Congress and the White House will seek an even bigger spending plan for teachers and Medicaid workers — on top of the $26 billion plan that just passed the Senate.
Or maybe the Democrats will come up with a new infrastructure-spending bill, perhaps for green technologies and whatnot. Or maybe they’ll extend unemployment benefits even more. My liberal friend Robert Reich is even talking up the New Deal’s Works Progress Administration (WPA), where the government employed millions during the 1930s.
With the announcement this week that Council of Economic Advisers chair Christy Romer will leave the White House to go back to teach at Berkeley, it looks like the center of economic gravity will shift leftward inside the West Wing.
Meanwhile, over at the Fed, it seems ever more likely that the FOMC meeting next week will produce a much more dovish policy statement, one that will lengthen the “extended period” near-zero-interest-rate language and hint at new cash purchases of Treasury and mortgage bonds to increase the central bank’s balance sheet and expand the basic money supply. Already, in recent weeks, the dollar has been plunging.
Of course, Republicans will push harder to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy — as they should. But Democrats are now trapped by Treasury man Tim Geithner’s statements that extending low tax rates for successful earners, investors, and small businesses would actually imperil economic recovery. This is his war against investment and capital formation.
Maybe the Democratic revolt in favor of keeping all the Bush tax cuts will gather steam. But Democrats are more likely to push for greater spending than investment tax incentives. They’d rather take your money than let you keep it.
The GOP also should call for lower corporate tax rates, including full cash expensing for businesses. But so far they haven’t made much noise on this, despite the fact that cash-rich businesses are mostly avoiding new hires in the face of the Obamacare regulatory threats and the uncertainty about future tax burdens.
The bottom line? Panic over this stalled economy may be setting in.
The unemployment rate is hanging stubbornly at 9.5 percent and economic growth looks to be slipping to only 2 to 3 percent. In order to get unemployment down significantly, the economy has to grow by at least 4 percent.
Inside July’s jobs report, small-business household employment dropped by 159,000 jobs — a very bad sign. In the three months to April, this survey produced 417,000 new jobs. In the three months to July, it fell by 151,000.
At the same time, private payrolls in the corporate survey rose by only 71,000 in July, compared with an expected gain of 100,000. In the three months to April, payrolls gained by 154,000. Over the past three months, payrolls have increased only 51,000. They need to grow at a better-than 200,000 monthly pace in order to reduce joblessness.
So just like the overall economy, the jobs recovery is faltering. It isn’t a double-dip recession. But the story is moving in the wrong direction. And if the Democrats in power push for a big-bang summer surprise that seeks even more failed stimulus spending, they will do much more harm than good.
The Intrade pay-to-play investment parlor already shows a 60 percent likelihood of a GOP House takeover this November. That’s the ultimate silver lining in this story.
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I think there is a difference in long term vs. short term spending. Short term spending is needed to stimulate the economy. However it can be done the wrong way that is for sure. Also it can be used to advance political agendas instead of the focus being to help the nation come back. Setting up programs that run for the unforseen future and setting up a system for the government to control things like what businesses fail or succeed, and the peoples healthcare, is not proper use or short term spending.
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With such logic reasoning, indisputable rationalism and pointed logic, ray b will answer this (hopefully) with vapid accusations and by calling you a nasty name. This will always happen to a liberal when they are cornered and have no oter choice but to run away and try to change the topic. It is fun to see my predictions come to life. The liberals are so easy to figure out
Cordially, Kevin
See his reply above. You were right on the money about him, but forgot to mention his spelling. In case he changes his mind.
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Originally posted by RayB: your racist homophobe nut christian preacher fails to understand reality we have had some form of welfare for a long time in the USA and never had a large % of people try to apply let alone get payments so his statement is fear based not fact based
by far the greatest majority wants to work not be on welfare or un-employment sure there has allways been a few who stay on welfare or scam the system but despite GOP lies those are a small minority not the mass of people your false fear projects thats why this is a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT and does not reflect the real world at all
what is real is the clear evidence that cutting spending in a depression as the GOP and their southern allys tryed in 1937 does make the economy nose dive for a backward looking movement your guys sure fail to learn from your mistakes and want to repeat them over and over expecting a different result btw that is the classic definition of insanity
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partfiero Member
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your racist homophobe nut christian preacher fails to understand reality we have had some form of welfare for a long time in the USA and never had a large % of people try to apply let alone get payments so his statement is fear based not fact based
by far the greatest majority wants to work not be on welfare or un-employment sure there has allways been a few who stay on welfare or scam the system but despite GOP lies those are a small minority not the mass of people your false fear projects thats why this is a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT and does not reflect the real world at all
what is real is the clear evidence that cutting spending in a depression as the GOP and their southern allys tryed in 1937 does make the economy nose dive for a backward looking movement your guys sure fail to learn from your mistakes and want to repeat them over and over expecting a different result btw that is the classic definition of insanity
Do you have some figures from a reliable source to show you didn't pull this out of your hate filled a$$? You are one hate filled person, and this is why your opinion is null and void.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
I think there is a difference in long term vs. short term spending. Short term spending is needed to stimulate the economy. However it can be done the wrong way that is for sure. Also it can be used to advance political agendas instead of the focus being to help the nation come back. Setting up programs that run for the unforseen future and setting up a system for the government to control things like what businesses fail or succeed, and the peoples healthcare, is not proper use or short term spending.
If money is borrowed for short-term spending, it becomes a long-term issue.
Do you have some figures from a reliable source to show you didn't pull this out of your hate filled a$$? .
google ??? wiki ???? do any of you fact check so much of what you think you know is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'''''By the spring of 1937, production, profits, and wages had regained their 1929 levels. Unemployment remained high, but it was considerably lower than the 25% rate seen in 1933. In June 1937, some of Roosevelt's advisors urged spending cuts to balance the budget. WPA rolls were drastically cut and PWA projects were slowed to a standstill.[3] The American economy took a sharp downturn in mid-1937, lasting for 13 months through most of 1938. Industrial production declined almost 30 per cent and production of durable goods fell even faster.
Unemployment jumped from 14.3% in 1937 to 19.0% in 1938, rising from 5 million to more than 12 million in early 1938.[4] Manufacturing output fell by 37% from the 1937 peak and was back to 1934 levels.[5] Producers reduced their expenditures on durable goods, and inventories declined, but personal income was only 15% lower than it had been at the peak in 1937. In most sectors, hourly earnings continued to rise throughout the recession, which partly compensated for the reduction in the number of hours worked. As unemployment rose, consumers' expenditures declined, leading to further cutbacks in production.''''
the GOP plan cut spending and balanced budgets was tryed with disaster following in 1937-38 but the facts do not stop your fools from trying the same failed ideas over and over
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
Originally posted by ray b: google ??? wiki ???? do any of you fact check so much of what you think you know is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'''''By the spring of 1937, production, profits, and wages had regained their 1929 levels. Unemployment remained high, but it was considerably lower than the 25% rate seen in 1933. In June 1937, some of Roosevelt's advisors urged spending cuts to balance the budget. WPA rolls were drastically cut and PWA projects were slowed to a standstill.[3] The American economy took a sharp downturn in mid-1937, lasting for 13 months through most of 1938. Industrial production declined almost 30 per cent and production of durable goods fell even faster.
Unemployment jumped from 14.3% in 1937 to 19.0% in 1938, rising from 5 million to more than 12 million in early 1938.[4] Manufacturing output fell by 37% from the 1937 peak and was back to 1934 levels.[5] Producers reduced their expenditures on durable goods, and inventories declined, but personal income was only 15% lower than it had been at the peak in 1937. In most sectors, hourly earnings continued to rise throughout the recession, which partly compensated for the reduction in the number of hours worked. As unemployment rose, consumers' expenditures declined, leading to further cutbacks in production.''''
the GOP plan cut spending and balanced budgets was tryed with disaster following in 1937-38 but the facts do not stop your fools from trying the same failed ideas over and over
This didn't come out of your head, where is the link you are pulling from? I would still have to question what were all of the factors and what was only speculation. And you stated before that it was Republican who cut the spending in 37, but now you now state it was Rosie and his advisers that made these cuts. Was he and his advisers republicans?
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partfiero Member
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I guess the GOP/tea people can't google ????????????? that explains why they believe so much false BS
I told you it was from wiki not a blog or opinion piece
the idea was from the GOP and the conservative southern democratic wing remember back then the partys were not single wing structures like today they had a far bigger centrist balance and would try ideas from the other side unlike today
Isn't this site just full of articles that can be posted by ANYONE?
yes anyone and everyone can post but it is edited to weed out nuts and spin that insures balance and fairness something totally lacking from neo-conned blogs
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partfiero Member
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yes anyone and everyone can post but it is edited to weed out nuts and spin that insures balance and fairness something totally lacking from neo-conned blogs
Edited by who, left wing geniuses like you, or right wing nuts?
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
I guess the GOP/tea people can't google ????????????? that explains why they believe so much false BS
I told you it was from wiki not a blog or opinion piece
the idea was from the GOP and the conservative southern democratic wing remember back then the partys were not single wing structures like today they had a far bigger centrist balance and would try ideas from the other side unlike today
If you read here you will know I am not a Tea Party card carrier, don't lump. Where did you say it was from Wiki?
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In June 1937, some of Roosevelt's advisors urged spending cuts to balance the budget.
So you are saying that Rosie's advisers all of a sudden got a brain fart and started thinking like the GOP and the conservative southern democrats. I need facts Ray if I am going to live in "The real world".
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
Originally posted by ray b: the idea was from the GOP and the conservative southern democratic wing remember back then the partys were not single wing structures like today they had a far bigger centrist balance and would try ideas from the other side unlike today
Do you have names and dates to prove this out, I am not old enough to have lived through this time. If I am going to believe this like you do, I do not want to base my beliefs on remember back thens. Are you also saying that Rosie was stupid enough to go along with these hair brained ideas? I though he was the master of getting us out of the depression.
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
yes anyone and everyone can post but it is edited to weed out nuts and spin that insures balance and fairness something totally lacking from neo-conned blogs
There are over 3 million articles and 60 million edits. These posts and edits can be done by anyone in the world. There are inside editors, but only because they decide to be. They do not work for Wiki and no one knows who they are. About 75% of the edits are done by about 1400 people, the remaining 25% is done by everybody else in the world who chooses to do it. Who all of these people are, who knows. I would not take all of wiki as fact not knowing what all of these unknowns agenda is. And one of the inside editors could be Bill Ayers, or the leader of the KKK, or even worse, a politician, no one knows.
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Cooperating with conservative southern Democrats, he led the Conservative Coalition that opposed the New Deal. The Republican gains in the 1938 congressional elections, combined with the creation of the Conservative Coalition, had stopped the expansion of the New Deal. However, Taft saw his mission as not only stopping the growth of the New Deal, but also as eliminating many of the government programs that had already come from it
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
Cooperating with conservative southern Democrats, he led the Conservative Coalition that opposed the New Deal. The Republican gains in the 1938 congressional elections, combined with the creation of the Conservative Coalition, had stopped the expansion of the New Deal. However, Taft saw his mission as not only stopping the growth of the New Deal, but also as eliminating many of the government programs that had already come from it
From the article. "Roosevelt decided he could overcome opposition to his liberal New Deal policies by the conservative justices of the Supreme Court, which had struck down many New Deal agencies as unconstitutional. Roosevelt proposed to expand the size of the court from nine to fifteen justices; he could then "pack" the court with six new justices who would support his policies".
Boy that Rosie was one sick MFer to even consider something like this. The the next time someone wants ultimate power they raise it to 21, then 27, then,,,,,well you get the picture. No wonder why they passed a two term limit after this POS left office.
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wiki is a quick eazy source but hardly the only source but it does tend to be very up to date and complete on most subjects most times there are lots of other stuff on line sorting the spin from facts is hard hint little real truth is from blogs
you could even find a book at a library
the whole point to my posts is newt is a spin-master and avengador1 is a spin-dizzy
I was accused of hate yes I am guilty I HATE LIES and SPIN
the truth is out there somewhere
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
wiki is a quick eazy source but hardly the only source but it does tend to be very up to date and complete on most subjects most times there are lots of other stuff on line sorting the spin from facts is hard hint little real truth is from blogs
you could even find a book at a library
the whole point to my posts is newt is a spin-master and avengador1 is a spin-dizzy
I was accused of hate yes I am guilty I HATE LIES and SPIN
the truth is out there somewhere
I never have gone to blogs for even entertainment purposes. I was born and raised in the projects. Poor would have been a blessing, eight children and $hit poor was the norm. There you learn to recognize spin and jive. I haven't been anyones fool since maybe five, with the exception of a few women. One of my mentors when I was young was my next door neighbor, a black guy who was a loner. Taught me much about life and who real friends are, and if you have more than a few, you have no clue of the meaning. Also taught me about intelligence. One of his favorite saying was,"The dumber a person is, the smarter they think the are, and the smarter a person is, the dumber they know they are". Some how I made it out and became a hated Republican business person. Never took one dime of the peoples money, no welfare or unemployment. My mother, a republican, whom you insinuated when you said all republicans are mean, instilled pride in her eight children. 7 out of 8 became what you refer to as rats because they own a business. Put my time back by coaching less than fortunate kids for 22 years. We are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, but you have no clue about me personally. Don't lump me into your racist, mean, neo-con, hateful and uncaring republican corporat rants of yours. It does speak volumes about you ignorance of what folks who you never met are and how they think, just because they lean to the right.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
I never have gone to blogs for even entertainment purposes. I was born and raised in the projects. Poor would have been a blessing, eight children and $hit poor was the norm. There you learn to recognize spin and jive. I haven't been anyones fool since maybe five, with the exception of a few women. One of my mentors when I was young was my next door neighbor, a black guy who was a loner. Taught me much about life and who real friends are, and if you have more than a few, you have no clue of the meaning. Also taught me about intelligence. One of his favorite saying was,"The dumber a person is, the smarter they think the are, and the smarter a person is, the dumber they know they are". Some how I made it out and became a hated Republican business person. Never took one dime of the peoples money, no welfare or unemployment. My mother, a republican, whom you insinuated when you said all republicans are mean, instilled pride in her eight children. 7 out of 8 became what you refer to as rats because they own a business. Put my time back by coaching less than fortunate kids for 22 years. We are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, but you have no clue about me personally. Don't lump me into your racist, mean, neo-con, hateful and uncaring republican corporat rants of yours. It does speak volumes about you ignorance of what folks who you never met are and how they think, just because they lean to the right.
do not over rate yourself the [ international ] CORPrats aka the new world order are not the small biz guys like you
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
do not mistake the spin for truth you are only very slightly less spun up then avengador1
You're full of crap, ray. I present more proof in a day than you do in a year. But go ahead, keep believing your own bullshit if that's what comforts you.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
bear you fail to post proof of anything rightwing blog and opinion articles are NOT PROOF and that what most of your pasted or linked BS is
also it is funny how you claim when the GOP has the majority the demo's do things to block the GOP ''PLANS" but when the GOP is not in the majority the GOP can not do anything wrong
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Like Michael Douglas said to Richard Dreyfuss, "[Barry's] problem isn't that he doesn't get it. [Barry's] problem is that he can't sell it! We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, [Barry Obama] is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it."