quote Originally posted by ray b: attack the person if you got nothing else you can bwitch about grammar but this point is basic math not grammar #1 are your guys disbelieving in the LOL curve #2 donot understand basic math as shown by the LOL curve #3 believe in voodoo and not the LOL cruve #4 really just want the feds to fail by increasing debts

Whose attacking who? I am not attacking anyone. You must feel inferior if you wrote what you wrote and felt that way. And by reading what you "wrote" (sic ), to try to reason and think only suggests the obvious; you can't. Also, what is this word you use 'Voodoo" mean? Is that your breakfast cereal?

Kevin

quote Originally posted by ray b: so none of you understand the math based on the LOL curve yes I read that hand waving and flat tax BS worse russian flat tax BS NOTE IT IS OLD DATA cut off in 2003 at latest none of that has anything to do with real math

I can't believe you are seriously making this argument. You take the basic graph of the Laffer curve, which you don't believe in as "voodoo", make the argument that 50% taxation is the "sweet spot" based on the Laffer curve you don't believe in, then dispute the full and complete math behind the theory that you don't believe in while referring back to the graph from the theory that you don't believe in. You are arguing with yourself.

the point that your side totally miss is numbers doNOT lie
[but lyers sure can play with numbers]

if a point on a graft produces the biggest result
and you move to lower point on the same graft
YOU DONOT CAN NOT expect a bigger result
when raygun moved the top tax rate from the 50% sweet spot
to the much lower 28% it didnot produce more income to the feds
and it did produce more deficits not less

and kevin the pompous if you have no idea what voodoo is
why is your ignorant self posting it a thread you know so little about

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I LOL sometimes.

Yeah name calling is weak, wherever it comes from..

quote Originally posted by ray b: the point that your side totally miss is numbers doNOT lie [but lyers sure can play with numbers] if a point on a graft produces the biggest result and you move to lower point on the same graft YOU DONOT CAN NOT expect a bigger result when raygun moved the top tax rate from the 50% sweet spot to the much lower 28% it didnot produce more income to the feds and it did produce more deficits not less and kevin the pompous if you have no idea what voodoo is why is your ignorant self posting it a thread you know so little about

I just want to know how we are going to pay the 13 trillion dollar debt off.
Got any ideas, no one else does.
My kids are kind of wondering if suicide is an option.

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quote Originally posted by ray b: the point that your side totally miss is numbers doNOT lie [but lyers sure can play with numbers] if a point on a graft produces the biggest result and you move to lower point on the same graft YOU DONOT CAN NOT expect a bigger result when raygun moved the top tax rate from the 50% sweet spot to the much lower 28% it didnot produce more income to the feds and it did produce more deficits not less and kevin the pompous if you have no idea what voodoo is why is your ignorant self posting it a thread you know so little about

ray b,
The reason I ask it because I wanted you to answer what YOU think the definition of this word is? Or, do YOU have an idea where this word was first used? Do you know? OK, I know I am testing your mental capacity. I am fascinated to pick the brain of a socialist leftist.

Cordially,
Kevin

the word in context to taxes was first used by bush1 vs raygun in the 1980 primary's


I am not a socialist or any other class you want to pigeon hole me in

a far closer description would be limited anarchist
I would limit federal government to controlling the CORPrats thieves like ENRON
watching the state and local governments to insure peoples rights
and a few other necessary things like border control AND NATIONAL DEFENSE


but with the modern rightwing nuts like you have NO IDEA WHAT A socialist IS
BUT SURE ARE QUICK TO CHARGE THAT TO ANYONE WHO IS NOT NEO-CONNED

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Laffer: Taxing Rich Will Kill Recovery http://www.moneynews.com/St...al&promo_code=A65D-1

I'd say "Well Duh!" But then again I keep forgetting who else is participating in this thread.

quote Originally posted by ray b: the word in context to taxes was first used by bush1 vs raygun in the 1980 primary's I am not a socialist or any other class you want to pigeon hole me in a far closer description would be limited anarchist I would limit federal government to controlling the CORPrats thieves like ENRON watching the state and local governments to insure peoples rights and a few other necessary things like border control AND NATIONAL DEFENSE but with the modern rightwing nuts like you have NO IDEA WHAT A socialist IS BUT SURE ARE QUICK TO CHARGE THAT TO ANYONE WHO IS NOT NEO-CONNED

No idea on the crushing debt with all of you infinite wisdom?
Oh well, you missed your chance to become the first lib to have a detailed plan that makes a bit of sense. Like the pres, they have all of the answers but this one, and he created most of it.
Yea I know it was all bush's fault.
I will keep looking.

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quote Originally posted by partfiero: No idea on the crushing debt with all of you infinite wisdom? Oh well, you missed your chance to become the first lib to have a detailed plan that makes a bit of sense. Like the pres, they have all of the answers but this one, and he

Of course he has a plan. Raise everyone's taxes to 50%, because he saw it in a pretty picture (but didn't bother to read anything else).

Thanks a million, guys.

I NEVER tire of watching Fierobear and Toddster chase their tails around in circles on this forum.
Always right handed circles, of course.
Two guys who live in one of the wealthiest, most progressive, liberal places in the USA always march just a bit out of step with their neighbors, but never quite seem to get it.
Thanks again.
You guys rock.
Really.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Thanks a million, guys. I NEVER tire of watching Fierobear and Toddster chase their tails around in circles. Always right handed circles, of course. Two guys who live in one of the most progressive, liberal places in the USA always march just a bit out of step with their neighbors, but never quite seem to get it. Thanks again. You guys rock. Really.

You got an idea how we are going to pay off the massive debt?
After all you are one of the smart kids, right?
I think you once said you have no kids, but mine are asking.
You would have thought they would have a plan before they put future generations so far in debt.
And this $26B so called jobs bill that in reality is a bailout of fiscally irresponsible states.
More debt and more debt and more of the same.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I NEVER tire of watching Fierobear and Toddster chase their tails around in circles. Always right handed circles, of course. Two guys who live in one of the most progressive, liberal places in the USA always march just a bit out of step with their neighbors, but never quite seem to get it.

Yes, the most progressive state in the union, run by progressives for decades, and...the MOST BANKRUPT STATE IN THE UNION. California is a shining example of how the progressive polices that you love so much are a COMPLETE FAILURE.

God, Neptune, do you EVER get tired of stepping in your own bullshit?

Sheesh.
Some people just can't take a compliment.
No skin off of my nose.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Some people just can't take a compliment. No skin off of MY nose.

You don't fool me. And you never answer serious questions. And what is it we "don't get"? That progressive policies are actually working, despite the state literally going bankrupt? What is it we've missed?

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: Really? Which compliment would that be? "Fierobear and Toddster chase their tails around in circles on this forum." "always march just a bit out of step with their neighbors," "never quite seem to get it." If those are your ideas of compliments, I'd hate to see one of your insults.

Yes, you would.
You really would.

quote [originally posted by NEPTUNE:] Thanks a million, guys. [snip] Thanks again. You guys rock.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Yes, you would.

Actually, I already have, combined with your lack of answering serious questions and lack of proof of your assertions. You might have my pity if you weren't so acerbic.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: You got an idea how we are going to pay off the massive debt? After all you are one of the smart kids, right? I think you once said you have no kids, but mine are asking. You would have thought they would have a plan before they put future generations so far in debt. And this $26B so called jobs bill that in reality is a bailout of fiscally irresponsible states. More debt and more debt and more of the same.

Does anyone I wonder?

Which was the last party or president or whomever one blames for the U.S. budget/debt actually made strides to get the countries finances in order?

My thoughts are that without a doubt after your Nov. elections some tax increases are coming, they have to, how else can you turn things around. Problem is it's political suicide normally for any party while in power but it has to be done.

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Oh, never mind.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: Of course he has a plan. Raise everyone's taxes to 50%, because he saw it in a pretty picture (but didn't bother to read anything else).

not a pretty picture but unlike you I can read and understand the LOL curve
and no again not everyones taxes just the super rich

if they let me I would use a 50% tax on 20 million income inc bonus and value of stock options ect
dropping say 0.1% per 100k down to about 30% on a million
then drop 1% per 100k to about 20 on a 100k income
with steeper drops to a 10% base rate with a say 25k base and ONLY deduction
thats right no other BS credits deductions ect none zip zero

and nice HUGE taxes on CORPrats if they export a job or overseas outsourcing or other BS unfair trade practices
with credits to match for bringing back jobs and plants

if the fools had just left clintons rates intact and found a way to pay for the afgan war with needed war taxes
you see wars as much as you like them COST MONEY in addition to lives
tax cuts plus too many wars is a simple fail every time plan WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

quote Originally posted by ray b: not a pretty picture but unlike you I can read and understand the LOL curve and no again not everyones taxes just the super rich if they let me I would use a 50% tax on 20 million income inc bonus and value of stock options ect dropping say 0.1% per 100k down to about 30% on a million then drop 1% per 100k to about 20 on a 100k income with steeper drops to a 10% base rate with a say 25k base and ONLY deduction thats right no other BS credits deductions ect none zip zero and nice HUGE taxes on CORPrats if they export a job or overseas outsourcing or other BS unfair trade practices with credits to match for bringing back jobs and plants if the fools had just left clintons rates intact and found a way to pay for the afgan war with needed war taxes you see wars as much as you like them COST MONEY in addition to lives tax cuts plus too many wars is a simple fail every time plan WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

Bear, still think I am wrong?
A different Monkey, I'm telling you.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Bear, still think I am wrong? A different Monkey, I'm telling you.

About rayb? Nope.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Simple. MASSIVE CUTS to spending.

Not disagreeing it might help but doubt it would be near enough.

ANy suggestions on what should be cut?

quote Originally posted by newf: Not disagreeing it might help but doubt it would be near enough. ANy suggestions on what should be cut?

A good start would be pork barrel spending.

quote Originally posted by newf: Not disagreeing it might help but doubt it would be near enough. ANy suggestions on what should be cut?

About $550,000 of stimulus money went to replace windows in a government building that was abandoned a few year ago, and they have no plans to ever move back into it.
We are way beyond help down here.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: About $550,000 of stimulus money went to replace windows in a government building that was abandoned a few year ago, and they have no plans to ever move back into it. We are way beyond help down here.

Pelosi wants Congress to come back from the August recess to vote on a bill to fund teachers, police and firefighter salaries (help cities with budget shortfalls). They want to allocate new spending of around $62 billion. What's wrong with the over $400 billion of unspent stimulus money?

quote Originally posted by partfiero: About $550,000 of stimulus money went to replace windows in a government building that was abandoned a few year ago, and they have no plans to ever move back into it. We are way beyond help down here.

That stuff is crazy, I don't think it's an exclusive club though.

quote Originally posted by newf: That stuff is crazy, I don't think it's an exclusive club though.

They also gave stimulus money so someone could watch monkeys get stoned.
And money to see if people are more likely to have sex when they are under the influence.
Obama put "Bull Dog Biden" in charge of making sure every stimulus dollar was spent wisely.
The bull dog was last seen chasing cars.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: What about true business expenses? Can't deduct those? What are the rates you are comparing? Are the Clinton rates better? How?

you really are cueless about how a biz works
biz expences are costs
in every accounting system costs are deducted from gross earnings to yield net profits


how soon you forget
clintons rates produced a surplus something the neo-conned hated
loudly declaring rates that produced a surplus were theft of ''their money''
that is how they were different


and cutting spending in a recession/depression is a stupid evil plan
all that has done in every past case is make the recession/depression longer and deeper
every neo-conned tax plan as implemented resulted in deficits

it is way past time to quit the SOS failed plans of the neo-conned

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quote Originally posted by ray b: you really are cueless about how a biz works biz expences are costs in every accounting system costs are deducted from gross earnings to yield net profits how soon you forget clintons rates produced a surplus something the neo-conned hated loudly declaring rates that produced a surplus were theft of ''their money'' that is how they were different and cutting spending in a recession/depression is a stupid evil plan all that has done in every past case is make the recession/depression longer and deeper every neo-conned tax plan as implemented resulted in deficits it is way past time to quit the SOS failed plans of the neo-conned

And he cut welfare to all those poor people as well!! evil bastig
Or are you forgetting the 94 midterm elections that put the house and senate in conservative control.
Tax cuts, reduced spending etc.
One of the reasons it good to have a division of Dem/Rep leadership keeps everyone in check.
Ill give Clinton the credit although as previously stated, the Pres can ask for what he wants, but it's Congress that makes the budget.

quote Originally posted by ray b: clintons rates produced a surplus something the neo-conned hated

Clinton had a Republican congress for 6 of his 8 years. Congress makes budgets and sets tax rates, not the President. Acknowledge that before you say I don't know what I'm talking about.

quote and cutting spending in a recession/depression is a stupid evil plan all that has done in every past case is make the recession/depression longer and deeper

WRONG. Harding and Coolidge cut spending, got the country out of the 1920 depression and it led to the boom economy of the 20s.

FDR prolonged the great depression with high tax rates and out of control government spending.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: WRONG. Harding and Coolidge cut spending, got the country out of the 1920 depression and it led to the boom economy of the 20s. FDR prolonged the great depression with high tax rates and out of control government spending.

myth the neo-conned do love their BIG LIES

the conservatives caused and prolonged the depression with their stupid ideas
FDR spending was the key to recovery

btw the GOP also caused and prolonged every other depression inc the current one
but will never admit any of their failures

btw 2 the 1920-21 mess was more about interest rates then tax rates

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quote Originally posted by ray b: myth the neo-conned do love their BIG LIES

Your stock answer to everything. Yawn.

quote btw 2 the 1920-21 mess was more about interest rates then tax rates

No, it was both.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: WRONG. Harding and Coolidge cut spending, got the country out of the 1920 depression and it led to the boom economy of the 20s. FDR prolonged the great depression with high tax rates and out of control government spending.

Am I missing something here, on one hand you say the budget is the work of congress then you are giving credit and blame to Presidents for past economies/budgets?

This submission that the country got out of the 1920 depression is pretty silly seeing that during their tenure it went into the worlds worst one and was led by the opposing party while getting out of it.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: You got an idea how we are going to pay off the massive debt? .

Yeah, he is going to tax the rich!!!

That'll solve the problem.