... Obama broke his promise. Regarding abortions.
Remember Obama Care ? When some Dems were not for it because federal monies would fund abortions ? Well, Nobama promised that it would not. Said that those who said it would were spreading false information, lying.

quote PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA There are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness, but I want everyone to know what health insurance reform is all about... you've heard that this is all going to mean government-funding of abortion. Not true. This is all — these are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation.

He backed it up with his executive order (looking for a copy of said order).
Now, we have more proof as to the liar that he is.

quote same linky as above "The Health and Human Services Department is giving Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new high-risk insurance pool that will cover any abortion that is legal in the state." And it's a similar story in New Mexico: "In New Mexico, the new $37 million high-risk pool began enrolling individuals on July 1. They will start receiving benefits in August, including elective-abortion services, according to the state insurance department's website. Once a deductible is paid, 80 percent of the elective abortion is covered."

Be careful about that "He lied" thing. Someone will be undoubtedly be here shortly to play the race card and call you a bigot.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Someone will be undoubtedly be here shortly to play the race card and call you a bigot.

News flash !
Liberals here don't speak up no more. If/when they ever do, all they can do is make false accusations and call names.

is the Tea Party against abortions too?

Does it even matter ?
The Executive order was to assure Democratic House Representatives that Obama Care would not fund abortions.
Are there Democrats in the Tea Party ?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Does it even matter ? The Executive order was to assure Democratic House Representatives that Obama Care would not fund abortions. Are there Democrats in the Tea Party ?

Yup, Michigan's Stupak was suckered into voting for Obamacare... Of course Stupak is now retiring and will not run again.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: is the Tea Party against abortions too?

Did Nobama issue an Executive Order to placate the Tea Party ?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: is the Tea Party against abortions too?

Did Obama lie again?

so, it is your belief that the woman should die in these cases, eh?

GJ Tea Party

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: so, it is your belief that the woman should die in these cases, eh? GJ Tea Party

I think women should trust the Lord and not murder their children.

I cannot say for him whether or not it's his "belief", however no matter what anyone says, it is a sin against God. All those involved in abortions, whether or not if they're the mother or the doctor will both be judged for it.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: so, it is your belief that the woman should die in these cases, eh?

What cases ?
My references clearly state elective abortions, not one's where life of the mother is in jeopardy.
But, since you ask, yes I do. I would rather take my life than that of another innocent being. A mother wants to use no caution what so ever, engage in selfish pleasures, want me to pay to execute the life of an innocent, yes, she should die.

quote "The Health and Human Services Department is giving Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new high-risk insurance pool that will cover any abortion that is legal in the state."

What kind of abortions are going to be considered "high risk" or "legal" ?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: is the Tea Party against abortions too?

Just another lame pyrthian diversion from the topic of the thread and the refusal to admit that Obama lied.

yes...die mom die....
so - how long does baby survive in dead mommy?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: What kind of abortions are going to be considered "high risk" or "legal" ?

You read it wrong. This directive is for funding of the high risk insurance pool members, which would also cover abortion. If I recall, that would be those that can not afford insurance. Those that do not work. Those on public housing and foodstamps.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: is the Tea Party against abortions too?

Some of us, yes.

But ALL of us are against us PAYING for other people's abortions through taxes.

To pyrthian:
The percentage of medically needed abortions to save a mothers life is extremely low, iirc its below 4%. I don't have the number in front of me now, but I'll look it up and edit this post.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes...die mom die.... so - how long does baby survive in dead mommy?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes...die mom die.... so - how long does baby survive in dead mommy?

Is Obama a liar?

quote Originally posted by aaronkoch: Some of us, yes. But ALL of us are against us PAYING for other people's abortions through taxes. To pyrthian: The percentage of medically needed abortions to save a mothers life is extremely low, iirc its below r%. I don't have the number in front of me now, but I'll look it up and edit this post.

yes - hence this is for the high risk
1% is still alot of people

but, I fully understand wanting the sickly & the ill to just die

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes - hence this is for the high risk

You don't know what the frack you are talking about.
Define high risk in context to my references. Nothing mentioned about the danger to a mother's life.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: You don't know what the frack you are talking about. Define high risk in context to my references. Nothing mentioned about the danger to a mother's life.

high risk is for conditions which normally exclude someone from insurance.
while I agree that could mean alot of things - it most certainly includes conditions which can make pregnancy dangerous.

but, I completely understand your attempt to make it sound like this is an open invitation for all sluts to just flush babies at will.
even tho you know full well it is not.

OK, here goes.

I agree with Pyrthian that abortions should not be an issue. I'm actually pro-abortion. Heck, give women a choice if they are on welfare and get pregnant, abortion, or adoption.

Extreme? Yes it is, but sometimes it takes extreme moves to get people to thinking, and not just popping out kids, and living off the system (that can't even support itself).

Now, on the other side of the coin. President Obama himself said that Abortions would not be covered by this. And that is the issue here. Not if they are right or wrong. Lets not muddy the waters more than they already are.

Brad

quote Originally posted by cliffw: You read it wrong. This directive is for funding of the high risk insurance pool members, which would also cover abortion. If I recall, that would be those that can not afford insurance. Those that do not work. Those on public housing and foodstamps.

in a word...demorats...

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: of course - he is the president of the United States. that is what presidents do.

Then it is OK for them to do it?

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: OK, here goes. I agree with Pyrthian that abortions should not be an issue. I'm actually pro-abortion. Heck, give women a choice if they are on welfare and get pregnant, abortion, or adoption. Extreme? Yes it is, but sometimes it takes extreme moves to get people to thinking, and not just popping out kids, and living off the system (that can't even support itself). Now, on the other side of the coin. President Obama himself said that Abortions would not be covered by this. And that is the issue here. Not if they are right or wrong. Lets not muddy the waters more than they already are. Brad

Me too. Heck, the more lazy demorats that abort their babies, the less lazy demorats the rest of us have to support for next generation. Heck, I bet a coathanger is a lot cheaper than a lifetime of welfare checks. Practice that enough and we might not have a welfare state large enough to run ramshot over the portion of the population that actually work for a living.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Then it is OK for them to do it?

of course it isnt. for Obama to have said the original statement that there would be ZERO abortions was foolish. we all know there are in fact times a abortion is the right answer.

and, in fact, I find it kind of odd that such a manipulative man would have made such a simple mistake, and would like to actually hear the "lie" as spoken

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: I think women should trust the Lord and not murder their children. I cannot say for him whether or not it's his "belief", however no matter what anyone says, it is a sin against God. All those involved in abortions, whether or not if they're the mother or the doctor will both be judged for it.

Dude thats messed up right here.. I suppose women who are victims of rape or incest should just have to deal with it too? Since according to you, God can't be understanding about them being violated. And when did you become God's mouthpiece? I am sure you are qualified for the job. /sarcasm .

Rape, incest, and health endangerment of the mother are the 3 clear reasons to have medical abortions available, people who want to take that option away clearly can't understand the difficult situation those women are in... and beyond that, if it s God's will to judge those complicit in abortion FOR ANY REASON, then I am sure he/she will take care of all that on God's own, and you don't need to add your $.02.. God's got it covered, and nothing you say to that siutuation is or anyone will change that. If you are that concerned, let God do his job.. you can have your opinion, but really in that case none of our opinions count, do they? You want to condemn, I say you its not for you to decide.

II would recommend you stop using God as your excuse to hate.. I think you are missing the point, and if I was "represented" in such a way, I know I would not be pleased. Go read your bible,the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy and I do believe you saying you know God's mind ..well guess what that is? God is unknowable, but through Jesus, all loving and forgiving - stop pretending to be his prosecutor.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: of course it isnt. for Obama to have said the original statement that there would be ZERO abortions was foolish. we all know there are in fact times a abortion is the right answer. and, in fact, I find it kind of odd that such a manipulative man would have made such a simple mistake, and would like to actually hear the "lie" as spoken

You missed the taxpayer funded part of his lie.
And this lie was on bold faced to get the "We won't know whats in until it is passed" health care bill through.
This guy has put more debt on Americans than all of the presidents before him combined, and the same holds true for his friggen bold faced lies.

I'm a little confused on this story. Are you saying the executive order was signed but not enforced or not signed at all? Or is that even how it works in the U.S.?
Also wouldn't the democrats that passed the healthcare bill be speaking out against the President if they were lied to?

quote Originally posted by newf: I'm a little confused on this story. Are you saying the executive order was signed but not enforced or not signed at all? Or is that even how it works in the U.S.? Also wouldn't the democrats that passed the healthcare bill be speaking out against the President if they were lied to?

1- yes
2- that's a damn good part of the point right there...
3- that was never an issue

OK, let's break this down into terms that even a "smart kid" can understand.

President Obama made a promise.
He broke it.

Pretty simple, huh? Oh, and we all know that abortion clinics around the country NEED federal funding. Because the women getting these abortions can't afford to pay for it themselves. Hell, they can't even afford a condom to prevent getting pregnant in the first place!

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: OK, let's break this down into terms that even a "smart kid" can understand. President Obama made a promise. He broke it. Pretty simple, huh? Oh, and we all know that abortion clinics around the country NEED federal funding. Because the women getting these abortions can't afford to pay for it themselves. Hell, they can't even afford a condom to prevent getting pregnant in the first place!

So you're saying a politician broke a promise. Big News!

I'd like to hear a response to these accusations as they are coming from Glenn Beck, not that I totally disregard everything he says just that his technique seems to be to throw as much crap at the wall as possible and see what sticks.

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: I think women should trust the Lord and not murder their children. I cannot say for him whether or not it's his "belief", however no matter what anyone says, it is a sin against God. All those involved in abortions, whether or not if they're the mother or the doctor will both be judged for it.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Dude thats messed up right here.. I suppose women who are victims of rape or incest should just have to deal with it too? Since according to you, God can't be understanding about them being violated. And when did you become God's mouthpiece? I am sure you are qualified for the job. /sarcasm . Rape, incest, and health endangerment of the mother are the 3 clear reasons to have medical abortions available, people who want to take that option away clearly can't understand the difficult situation those women are in... and beyond that, if it s God's will to judge those complicit in abortion FOR ANY REASON, then I am sure he/she will take care of all that on God's own, and you don't need to add your $.02.. God's got it covered, and nothing you say to that siutuation is or anyone will change that. If you are that concerned, let God do his job.. you can have your opinion, but really in that case none of our opinions count, do they? You want to condemn, I say you its not for you to decide. II would recommend you stop using God as your excuse to hate.. I think you are missing the point, and if I was "represented" in such a way, I know I would not be pleased. Go read your bible,the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy and I do believe you saying you know God's mind ..well guess what that is? God is unknowable, but through Jesus, all loving and forgiving - stop pretending to be his prosecutor.

I think what he was saying was, if they didn't want to get raped they would be wearing berkas, and not look so hot. Was that what you meant 1985FieroGT?

Yea, I'm not on your side here. It sounds to me like you are saying that everybody should just shut up and believe what you believe. That what they believe doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter to you that they have a different viewpoint, because you speak as god. Am I reading that right?



Brad

quote Originally posted by newf: So you're saying a politician broke a promise. Big News!

Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity -- If everybody's doing it, then it's alright... right? No, actually everybody who does it is wrong.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity -- If everybody's doing it, then it's alright... right? No, actually everybody who does it is wrong.

No it's wrong if one purposely lies to further their agenda, that's why politicians rarely talk using absolutes.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I think what he was saying was, if they didn't want to get raped they would be wearing berkas, and not look so hot. Was that what you meant 1985FieroGT? Yea, I'm not on your side here. It sounds to me like you are saying that everybody should just shut up and believe what you believe. That what they believe doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter to you that they have a different viewpoint, because you speak as god. Am I reading that right? Brad

Nope..I do not speak as God nor do I claim to know his/her mind. To Gt I am saying believe what you want, but you don't represent God's will or judgement, so stop trying to be his earthly prosecutor... show me the proof of your personal annointment by God to judge others, and I will understand why you won't let God do it for him/herself. Otherwise, let God do the job, if you say you believe.