Just going to say it right here and now... god never has stopped a rape! If he is not there to protect me, how can he be there to judge me?

Right now, there is a fellow that owes me a lot of money. He is using god as an excuse to NOT pay us back. I told him that god would not save him. He said that god would protect him from me?! OK!

Amy is 25 weeks pregnant right now. If there is even the slightest chance of her dieing because of this baby, then the baby would have to go. Plain and simple to me. I fell in love with her, and would do absolutely anything to save her life. Yes, even if it means an abortion.

quote Originally posted by newf: No it's wrong if one purposely lies to further their agenda, that's why politicians rarely talk using absolutes.

Well, then you will not like this one.

Obama was trying to get enough DEMOCRATS (his own party) to vote for the abomination that is his "health care plan".

He didn't have enough votes because there were some DEMOCRATS that were AGAINST TAXPAYER FUNDING of abortion. They weren't necessarily against abortion per se. But they did NOT want the government paying for it.

Because of that, they were going to VOTE AGAINST the "health care plan."


In order to get the votes, Obama TOLD THEM TO THEIR FACES that he WOULD NOT provide funds for abortion IF they voted for the health care plan.

Those DEMOCRATS were WARNED not to believe Obama. But Obama ASSURED them it wouldn't happen.

BECAUSE OF THAT ASSURANCE by Obama, they then went ahead and voted for the "health care plan".


Now you are seeing that it was BOLD FACED, DIRECT, IN YOUR FACE LIE. Not a "miscommunication". Not a misunderstanding. A bold faced lie to GET THEIR VOTE.


Now, what Pyrthian's questions have to do with any of the above is ABSOLUTELY ZERO and while possibly a good topic, is an intentional deflection of attention from the real issue.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Just going to say it right here and now... god never has stopped a rape! If he is not there to protect me, how can he be there to judge me? Right now, there is a fellow that owes me a lot of money. He is using god as an excuse to NOT pay us back. I told him that god would not save him. He said that god would protect him from me?! OK!

LOL- perfect.. thats exactly how I feel, Tony. Dont let that sucker take your cash and use God as his shield, make him pay back his debt.

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quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Well, then you will not like this one. Obama was trying to get enough DEMOCRATS (his own party) to vote for the abomination that is his "health care plan". He didn't have enough votes because there were some DEMOCRATS that were AGAINST TAXPAYER FUNDING of abortion. They weren't necessarily against abortion per se. But they did NOT want the government paying for it. Because of that, they were going to VOTE AGAINST the "health care plan." In order to get the votes, Obama TOLD THEM TO THEIR FACES that he WOULD NOT provide funds for abortion IF they voted for the health care plan. Those DEMOCRATS were WARNED not to believe Obama. But Obama ASSURED them it wouldn't happen. BECAUSE OF THAT ASSURANCE by Obama, they then went ahead and voted for the "health care plan". Now you are seeing that it was BOLD FACED, DIRECT, IN YOUR FACE LIE. Not a "miscommunication". Not a misunderstanding. A bold faced lie to GET THEIR VOTE. Now, what Pyrthian's questions have to do with any of the above is ABSOLUTELY ZERO and while possibly a good topic, is an intentional deflection of attention from the real issue.

Has anyone contacted these democrats he lied to for a response? They must be outraged and ready to revolt against their party?
Also I thought this health care plan wouldn't come into effect for years?
Are these payments to the states something new or are have they been happening all along?

These are honest questions not sarcastic ones? Always hard to tell on message boards and such.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Nope..I do not speak as God nor do I claim to know his/her mind. To Gt I am saying believe what you want, but you don't represent God's will or judgement, so stop trying to be his earthly prosecutor... show me the proof of your personal annointment by God to judge others, and I will understand why you won't let God do it for him/herself. Otherwise, let God do the job, if you say you believe.

Wait, do I have to follow your frigging religion's rules now? If i don't believe the Fiction you call a Bible, I certainly am not going to believe that I cannot judge. I am not the one using my religion to push an agenda.

Why do you people do this, Christian fail. Wait, Jesus IS speaking through me. He says you should go light a cross on the White house lawn, that's what Jesus is telling me to tell you to do. Right now, go go go!

Now show me your proof, and not some book that society has been playing telephone with for thousands of years.

Brad

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: Just another lame pyrthian diversion from the topic of the thread and the refusal to admit that Obama lied.

Yup, this.

quote Originally posted by texasfiero: Just another lame pyrthian diversion from the topic of the thread and the refusal to admit that Obama lied.

Kinda makes ya wonder don't it?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: .. we all know there are in fact times a abortion is the right answer.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Dude thats messed up right here.. I suppose women who are victims of rape or incest should just have to deal with it too? Since according to you, God can't be understanding about them being violated.

So, let me follow your logic a little further. Let's assume the worst combination: A woman is raped by a family member, so you have both rape and incest. She conceives a child, through no choice of her own, and contemplates abortion. The mother is severely traumatized, depressed, and scared. Is that justification for ending the only life that is truly innocent in the whole mix? The child did not ask to be conceived, and without abortion would enter the world not knowing of his own conception. Why would adoption not be considered as an option? If your answer to that question is that the mother would be reminded of a crime for 9 months, then that is a pretty unacceptable reason to end an innocent life.

If we as a society go down the path where each human life is no longer sacred and valuable, then eventually we will all end up on the "expendable" list. I don't judge anybody, as I've made more than my fair share of mistakes in life. It is not my place to condemn, just my duty to present an alternative point of view that may some day save the life of a child.

So, Pyrthian, I do not agree that "we all know that abortion is sometimes the right answer." Not at all, and tbone, God will hold all those who do not ask forgiveness accountable for their actions. The rapist will answer for his crime. Should the grieving victim also then end an innocent life and face judgement too? Just follow the logical line..

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quote Originally posted by newf: Has anyone contacted these democrats he lied to for a response? They must be outraged and ready to revolt against their party? Also I thought this health care plan wouldn't come into effect for years? Are these payments to the states something new or are have they been happening all along? These are honest questions not sarcastic ones? Always hard to tell on message boards and such.

That's my point. They just said they were opposed to the bill over abortion funding. When it came down to it, they voted for it so they really can't claim to have opposed it. IMO they were just holding out knowing each of them would receive a nice bribe right up until there were enough yes votes to pass the bill.

Then numbnuts Stupak voted yes in exchange for what ? An extra runway added to his local county airport ?? Either he got a lot more than that wired to his personal account, or the man is really either dumb enough to believe what he was saying or dumb enough to drop his opposition to a multitrillion dollar clusterf@#k for a few thousand dollars worth of pork barrel funding.

Personally I think he just got a metric $hit-ton of personal wealth out of the deal and figured the airport story was good enough to cover his ass with his ignorant uninformed constituents. Dem voters will believe almost anything a crooked dem politician tells them; so long as it's handfed to them by the smiling faces on their TV set.

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True Christians are allowed to speak based on the Word, if something we know isn't true then we wouldn't be speaking for God. But yes, I am speaking for God.

Here's the Word of the Lord based on the Bible:

1) Murder is sin - even if the life of the Mother is endangered, rape, or even incest.
2) Those who commit murder have sinned
3) Those who commit sin will be judged
4) Those who further down the road to Hell will be judged more severely if they keep defying God after they know what the truth is.

However, there is hope... trust in Jesus and be saved.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Wait, do I have to follow your frigging religion's rules now? If i don't believe the Fiction you call a Bible, I certainly am not going to believe that I cannot judge. I am not the one using my religion to push an agenda.

I was only commenting to GT about his religion-based comment (which was a bit off topic, and which I blew WAY off topic, for which I apologize).. do not mistake me... you can do whatever you want, and you need no permission from me. Believe, dont believe.. it makes no never mind to me, Brad. I have never once told anyone how they should behave, as a responsible adult you have to make those decisions, and have to live with saying/doing those things. You can say whatever you want, like:

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Wait, Jesus IS speaking through me. He says you should go light a cross on the White house lawn, that's what Jesus is telling me to tell you to do. Right now, go go go!

Now show me your proof, and not some book that society has been playing telephone with for thousands of years.

Brad[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well I'll get RIGHT on that...


..You want proof? Tthere is no proof, religion is about belief in spite of proof or for lack thereof.. all religions. Regardless, we are spinning this way off topic here.. I am sorry you cannot believe, but there is nothing I can do or say to change your mind, you will either find grace or not through your own mistakes and salvation. If there is no place in your life for God, I am sure you won't be upset later if God feels there is no place in his universe for you...I guess we'll see what happens.

If you actually want to discuss this RATIONALLY, feel free to PM me.. I am no expert, or even an current active church member, but I would like to think whatever is bothering you about God/religion can be talked through, if you want... I am sure I am not the only one here who cares enough (regardless of the current hard time you are giving me, you nerd!) to give you answers to any question you have, if I have them. No guarantees, obviously I am as full of crap as the next guy in most things, but I would like to think I could speak truthfully to you about this subject, without "furthering my agenda." (In other words, I am not here to convert you to a single method of my thinking, but I am here to answer any serious question you might have... you have to make up your own mind what you believe in, if anything at all.)

Anyway, the offer is open Brad, and I understand if you do not take me up on it.. I was scared too. ANyhow, being this is way off topic, this is the last I will address the religion issue on what should be a political post. My apologies,people. PM me if you want to continue a conversation civilly.

quote Originally posted by aaronkoch: So, let me follow your logic a little further. Let's assume the worst combination: A woman is raped by a family member, so you have both rape and incest. She conceives a child, through no choice of her own, and contemplates abortion. The mother is severely traumatized, depressed, and scared. Is that justification for ending the only life that is truly innocent in the whole mix? The child did not ask to be conceived, and without abortion would enter the world not knowing of his own conception. Why would adoption not be considered as an option? If your answer to that question is that the mother would be reminded of a crime for 9 months, then that is a pretty unacceptable reason to end an innocent life. If we as a society go down the path where each human life is no longer sacred and valuable, then eventually we will all end up on the "expendable" list. I don't judge anybody, as I've made more than my fair share of mistakes in life. It is not my place to condemn, just my duty to present an alternative point of view that may some day save the life of a child. So, Pyrthian, I do not agree that "we all know that abortion is sometimes the right answer." Not at all, and tbone, God will hold all those who do not ask forgiveness accountable for their actions. The rapist will answer for his crime. Should the grieving victim also then end an innocent life and face judgement too? Just follow the logical line..

while that is all fine & good - the actual topical issue here is abortions due to high risks to the mother
tho, I am 100% fine with the women getting an abortion in the above scenario as well

but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

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quote Originally posted by twofatguys: According to tbone God wants the rape to happen, so the woman can learn something apparently.

I never said that Brad, if I had you could have used the quote button.If you believe that sick **** , thats your shortcoming. Speak for yourself, man... don't pretend to know what I believe.

Edit: Brad and I get into our first misundertanding, probably won't be the last.. still love the guy, regardless of how flawed I am.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

If you REALLY are interested in the answer to that, then there is nothing preventing you from starting a thread topic about it.

Did you really want to know the answer, or were you just using it to distract from the fact that Obama isn't just typical-politician-I-twisted-words-and-you-misunderstood-me, Bill Clinton level of liar? Obama BLATANTLY LIED TO THE FACE of HIS OWN PARTY members to get them to vote for him.

There is no logical way for the answer to whether the Tea Party is anti-abortion or not to make ANY difference regarding whether Obama is a BOLD FACED liar.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

The tea party is primarily against encroachment of government and for reduction of taxes. I don't think there is an "official" position on the topic of abortion. Why is that distracting?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: is the Tea Party anti-abortion?

The Tea Party is not about social issues, it is about True Tax Reform and political responsibility. NOT the lies and empty promises that obama calls reform. ANY time he says the word reform he lies. Is that what YOU stand for?
In the recent past elections social issues have been at the forefront of the political agenda. Not anymore. The past two elections have been very different. BUT I am sure you know this already, you think some how that you can divert the real question in this thread. "Is obama a liar?" The answer is yes. The question "does the tea party do.....?' is not an answer. You are a sad player of the political game, you don't have the skill to get far in it.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: while that is all fine & good - the actual topical issue here is abortions due to high risks to the mother tho, I am 100% fine with the women getting an abortion in the above scenario as well but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

As far as I can see, all the TEA parties are anti government funding of things that aren't the government's responsibility. I'm sure there are some TEA party patriots who are against all abortion, some who are against some abortions, and some (like myself) who couldn't care less who gets an abortion as long as they don't expect the rest of us to pay for it. IMO it's the mother and father's moral issue to deal with and their consciences involved and it's none of my bidness; but I don't owe them the money (or any part of the money) to go have it done.

And no, this was never about high-risk pregnancies. It's high-risk insurance pools (ie people who have trouble getting insurance). For someone who has a chronic health problem and doesn't want to pass it to a child, how smart is it to go out and get knocked-up in the first place ? I can accept that they might terminate the prenancy; but it's not my problem. They can sell a few BeeJays or something to pay for it for all I care.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: while that is all fine & good - the actual topical issue here is abortions due to high risks to the mother tho, I am 100% fine with the women getting an abortion in the above scenario as well but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

Actually the topical issue here is President Obama lying to his own party to further his agenda of crushing America in debt. The high-risk abortion thing is strictly YOUR attempt to deflect the topic and hijack the thread. Which was highly successful, btw. So I commend your ability to bait people into discussing a different issue.

Feel free to throw in capital punishment, the nation of Islam, and prayer in schools as topics for debate, since there are still people in this thread that can see the depths of the president's capacity for deception.

If you want to discuss abortion, create a new topic please and stop hijacking the thread.

Edit: spelling

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quote Originally posted by newf: No it's wrong if one purposely lies to further their agenda...

That's exactly what President Obama did. The agenda was to get the healthcare reform bill passed. The lie was telling Congress he wouldn't send federal funding to abortion clinics. After they passed the legislation, the President reneged on his promise.

And BTW, the "they all do it, so get over it" attitude is why there are so many corrupt politicians in Washington. If the American people put their foot down and said "we've had enough of this crap!", corruption wouldn't be so prevalent in modern politics.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: while that is all fine & good - the actual topical issue here is abortions due to high risks to the mother tho, I am 100% fine with the women getting an abortion in the above scenario as well but, while we spaz in all directions - again - is the Tea Party anti-abortion? sorry that is so distracting for so many.

I think the issue is that the pres friggin lied, not what you diverted it to.
And it is not about abortion but TAXPAYER funded abortion which the majority of the country is against.
I am not a member of the tea party, but looking up if they are NOT for TAXPAYER funded abortion would not be hard.
Might do you some good to actually KNOW what they stand for so you can rip them with some basis, and not put yourself in the same boat as the NAACP.

quote Originally posted by newf: So you're saying a politician broke a promise. Big News! .

It should be. It should always be. But as usaul people clog up the obvious with a bunch of bullshit.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: It should be. It should always be. But as usaul people clog up the obvious with a bunch of bullshit.

Pokey I find it disappointing that I can only give you a single +, which you already had from me.

If a politician YOU voted for to represent you lies about what he or she is doing, VOTE THEM OUT. It is that simple. If there is no accountability, then they aren't representatives, they are RULERS (and not the straight kind with inches and centimeters on them.)

quote Originally posted by Flamberge: Pokey I find it disappointing that I can only give you a single +, which you already had from me. If a politician YOU voted for to represent you lies about what he or she is doing, VOTE THEM OUT. It is that simple. If there is no accountability, then they aren't representatives, they are RULERS (and not the straight kind with inches and centimeters on them.)

I could not agree more, Flamberge. The political process has procedures for "voting out the bums" based on their behavior.. it only happens normally every four years, unfortunately, but at least they dont get set up as dictators for life. (Yet.) One well known previous example of how this worked is GHW Bush - I liked him as a president, but I know I am not the only American who remebered he said "Read my lips: No new Taxes" and then raised taxes. So, since he had lied, and for other reasons, America decided to vote him out in favor of a politician who turned out to be, you guessed it, another liar. It seems to be too common of an occurance.. if we were to point out every time a politician lied, it would be every time their lips moved. They'll tell you anything to get your vote, this fall will be no different. I hate political commercial season - it has already started in earnest - the lies have begun.

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: True Christians are allowed to speak based on the Word, if something we know isn't true then we wouldn't be speaking for God. But yes, I am speaking for God. Here's the Word of the Lord based on the Bible: 1) Murder is sin - even if the life of the Mother is endangered, rape, or even incest. 2) Those who commit murder have sinned 3) Those who commit sin will be judged 4) Those who further down the road to Hell will be judged more severely if they keep defying God after they know what the truth is. However, there is hope... trust in Jesus and be saved. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

And here is how it works in the real world.
1) Murder is sin - even if the life of the Mother is endangered, rape, or even incest. Unless it's a war in the name of God, then it's OK.
2) Those who commit murder have sinned. And if they kill a hundred people, and decide that Gods way is the best, they will no longer be sinners (well, murderers).
3) Those who commit sin will be judged, by every "Christian" in the world, harshly if they can.
4) Those who further down the road to Hell will be judged more severely if they keep defying God after they know what the truth is. Right, back to rule #3, it would be fine to rape your daughter, as long as you ask for forgiveness afterwords. And you don't allow her to have an abortion.

Just like I asked tbone, proof and I'm yours, your church can make money off of me, and I'll do whatever the pastor says.

Now, I would like you to consider MY GOD.

Wow, hot topic.
Sorry, all the response time I have for now.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: high risk is for conditions which normally exclude someone from insurance.

Normally, ? We are talking about law. Normally is too vague to be upheld in a court of law.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: while I agree that could mean alot of things - it most certainly includes conditions which can make pregnancy dangerous.

Again, to vague and too broad. Not being able to afford to raise a child makes it dangerous. In law, conditions need to be defined. Something you care nothing about.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: but, I completely understand your attempt to make it sound like this is an open invitation for all sluts to just flush babies at will. even tho you know full well it is not.

You have proven that you do not have a clue, much less to what I might know.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: OK, here goes. I agree with Pyrthian that abortions should not be an issue.

But is was Brad. Hence the reluctance of some pro life Dumbocrats to hold up Obama Care. Hence the Presidential Executive Order Lie.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Heck, give women a choice if they are on welfare and get pregnant, abortion, or adoption.

You say, "give them a choice to act irresponsible" ? An easy choice if there are no repercussions. Hows 'bout we just say that they have to adopt ?

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: Heck, the more lazy demorats that abort their babies, the less lazy demorats the rest of us have to support for next generation.

Adopted babies become Republicans ? I would take that bet.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: for Obama to have said the original statement that there would be ZERO abortions was foolish.

He did not say that. Per his Executive Order, he said Obama Care would not pay for it outside of the Hyde Amendment.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I find it kind of odd that such a manipulative man would have made such a simple mistake, and would like to actually hear the "lie" as spoken

, See my first post.

quote PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA There are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness, but I want everyone to know what health insurance reform is all about... you've heard that this is all going to mean government-funding of abortion. Not true. This is all — these are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation.

Google is your friend.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: And when did you become God's mouthpiece? I am sure you are qualified for the job. /sarcasm .

And when did you become 1985FieroGT mouthpiece ? I am sure you are not qualified for the job. He mentioned nothing about rape nor incest. Neither did the Presidential Executive Order specify that those would be the only reasons Federal Funds would fund abortion.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Rape, incest, and health endangerment of the mother are the 3 clear reasons to have medical abortions available, people who want to take that option away clearly can't understand the difficult situation those women are in... and beyond that, if it s God's will to judge those complicit in abortion FOR ANY REASON, then I am sure he/she will take care of all that on God's own, and you don't need to add your $.02..

, rape, incest, and health/life endangerment are already approved by the Hyde Amendment and not contested in the context of this discussion.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: II would recommend you stop using God as your excuse to hate. Go read your bible,the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy ...

I see that you do not have an understanding of the Bible. Kinda wondering if you have even read it.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Rape and incest are not selfish pleasures,(at least not for the victim) Cliff. Just curious where do you stand on that situation?

Nothing is simple. Should incest require forced abortions ? I treat consensual incest just as I would consensual sex. Rape ? I can sympathize and would agree to fund an abortion but, one that would carry the child of rape I think would be blessed by God. Life is a gift of God. We are not one to question his ways or reasons.

Obama lies.
http://obamawtf.blogspot.co...-claimed-he-had.html

quote 158 Obama claims he wrote letter to US Treasurer to try to prevent the housing crisis; but he acted only AFTER he had caused it by blocking McCain's bill 157 Obama claims he is bipartisan ; Congressional Quarterly shows he voted with his party 97% of the time 156 Obama's dirty lie scares seniors: falsely claims McCain plans to cut $880 billion from Medicare: liar liar liar says Annenberg Factcheck 155 Obama lies about his mother turning to food stamps AND still sending him to top schools; his grandmother paid for education 154 Obama lied about being asked to wear dead soldier's bracelet: family had asked Obama to stop wearing it 153 Obama claimed all new spending is economic plan was self-funding; short by $3.5 Trillion says nonpartisan Tax Policy Center 152 Obama denied Admiral Mike Mullen had called Obama's Iraqi troop plan "dangerous"; Mullen made comment on Fox in July 2008 according to WaPo 151 Obama lied about Kissinger's views of diplomacy during first debate; Kissinger confirms the lie 150 During Debate 1 Obama denied voting to tax some people making $42000 a year: Annenburg Factcheck,org confirms Obama is lying 149 After Debate 1, Team Obama denied Obama ever said, "Iran's not a threat": Video proves Obama DID say "Iran is NOT a threat." 148 Obama claims under McCain employers would be taxed on the health care benefits it grants to workers; he's lying 147 Obama refers to an Iraqi surplus of $79 billion and says US should have it; its $60 billion and dwindling 146 Obama claims only 5% of Americans would see tax increase; he's grossly understating the number of people effected 145 Obama accuses McCain of lying about Biden being against clean coal; video proves Obama is lying 144 Obama claims McCain is opposed to abortion in cases of rape or incest; McCain has never held that position. 143 Obama accuses McCain of making an ad about Obama's vote to approve leaving babies who survive abortion procedures to die; McCain did not make the ad 142 Obama's ad on abortion claims BHO always supported medical care to protect infants; text of the Bill he supported shows he wanted babies born alive after abortions to be left to die 141 Obama's ad on abortion uses quotes by journalists who made negative comments about a McCain ad; but Obama is misleading because both journalists have been proven to be incorrect 140 Obama's lying when he says McCain's ad misstated BHO's Sex Ed for Kindergartners Bill: McCain's ad was accurate; here's the Sex Ed Bill text 139 Obama and Biden both truncate McCain's comments on the strength of the economy's fundamentals: deliberate distortion 138 Biden claims McCain tried to hurt our veterans by denying them educational benefits; NewsWeek confirms Biden is lying 137 Obama claims under McCain, Elderly would have had Social Security tied up in the Stock market; Newsweek cries BS 136 Obama claims his opponent will cut social security in half: NOT true; Obama guilty of scare-mongering aimed at Seniors 135 Biden claims McCain wouldn't help small borrowers hurt by housing crisis; this is untrue according to Newsweek 134 Obama claimed during the primary he had more Ex President Clinton Foreign Policy advisers than Sen. Clinton; she had 70% more 133 Obama claimed his father served in World War 2: his Kenyan-born father never served 132 Obama grossly misquoted Sen.Clinton about her vote on a banking bill; BHO used the false quote to show why voters don't trust Government 131 Obama claimed employers are more likely to be struck by lightning than be prosecuted for employing illegals; Gov stats prove he's lying 130 Pushing his Green agenda Obama claimed Japanese Car average 45 mpg fuel efficiency; its actually around 29 mph 129 Obama disparaged the President saying he hadn't met with auto makers until the sixth year of his presidency; GWB met automakers in April 2003 128 Obama disparaged the efficiency of our healthcare system saying the U.S. spends twice per capita than other countries: WaPo proves he's lying 127 Obama claims President Clinton's Labor Secretary said BHO's healthcare plan, "Does more than anybody to reduce costs"; Robert Reich did NOT say it 126 Obama falsely claimed he won the Michigan Democrat primary: he was not on the ballot 125 Obama's Spanish language ad lies about McCain's position on immigration; tries to stir race-war: lies debunked by ABC 124 Obama lies about his interference in Iraqi negotiations; but his campaign admits his treachery 123 Obama took credit for the economic stimulus package passed in Feb 08; BHO's colleagues on Capitol Hill cry BS 122 Obama claims Big Oil is ignoring 68 million acres of oil fields they could be drilling; most fields are being worked 121 Obama claims never questions his opponent's patriotism; asks of McCain "WHICH country first?": ABC says he's questioning McCain's patriotism 120 Obama claims personal savings rates are lowest since the Great Depression; currently higher than under President Clinton 119 Obama claims on this video that he doesn't switch positions; list of 31 flip flops show he's lying 118 In the Primaries Obama puffed his resume claiming he was a "Professor"; State Senate bio shows he was not ; he now agrees 117 When Obama ran for US Senate his web site claimed "5 years as a community organizer"; he admits it was only 3 years 116 Obama's attack ad in Michigan claims McCain doesn't support loan guarantees for auto-industry. McCain DOES support them 115 Obama says "if we're STILL in recession when he takes office...etc"; the economy is NOT in recession 114 Obama claims he signed up for Selective Service when he graduated from High School; records show he did NOT until he'd been at college 1 year 113 Attacking Palin, Obama has the audacity to claim,"Words mean something; you can't just make things up "; BHO makes stuff up 112 Biden claims McCain will increase taxes for workers & Obama will only increase taxes on those making $435k: he's lying 111 Biden claims Obama drew the Nation's attention to problems at Walter Reed Army Hospital; it was two WaPo reporters that reported the issues to the Nation 110 to make Obama seems more American/less exotic, Biden tells Scranton crowd Obama grew up in Kansas; BHO grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia 109 Obama lies yet again to disparage Gov. Palin; ignores her executive experience as Governor of Alaska 108 Obama says the US economy has failed under Bush; World Bank stats proves Obama's been lying; US a world leader in growth, employment, incomes 107 Obama claims if you are born into poverty in America you are on your own: there are many government programs 106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan 105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list 104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down 103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as "some guy who lives in the neighborhood";they had a close working relationship 102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000 101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence 100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions 99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks 98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo 97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying 96 To promote "green", Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready 95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for first day 94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close 93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks 92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying 91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a "fatwah" to kill American Christians and Jews 90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying 89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake 88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000 87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was "RAISED Muslim" 86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied 85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close 84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying 83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true 82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would "punish families that couldn't afford healthcare"; NYT calls BS 81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying 80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation 79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours 78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite 77 Obama's "Changing World" ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; "fast track" is totally misleading 76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional 75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying 74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable 73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position 72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Scheiße 71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim 70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least" job neutral" 69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200 68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech 67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying 66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public 65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is" fuelled" by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money 64 Obama's "Dignity" ad claims he "worked his way" thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs 63 Obama's "Dignity" ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96 62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for 61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several 60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it 59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's "whitey" rant to justify breaking his public funding promise 58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth 57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree 56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves 55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so 54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC 53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible 52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton 51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying 50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement 49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan 48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright 47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word "Clintonian"; then changed his story 46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC 45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he "didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind" 44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo 43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove 42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did 41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation 40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer 39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did 38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel 37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86 36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA 35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality 34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos 33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies 32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied 31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru 30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies 29 Obama claims his "bitter" remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people 28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did 27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him 26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion 25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice 24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement 23 Campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES! 22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied 21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted 20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview 19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins 18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth 17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003 16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill 15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied 14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied 13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed 12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullshit 11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice 10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied 9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times 8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story 7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital 6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him 5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree 4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied 3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige 2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied 1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied Obama WTF defines "DOCUMENTED LIE " as : 1) a statement by one or more reliable news agencies or credible authorities citing supporting verifiable facts which rebut a reported statement by Obama. 2) observable video/transcript contradictions 3) the omission of an important fact the exclusion of which defies common sense unless the intent is to deceive This therefore EXCLUDES unintentional gaffes eg the Auschwitz Memorial Day blip; the 57 States etc which can be found at New Gaffe City

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Be it for HIM that we need Parmesan, Yeah, for he is bland. Let us not rejoice in his meatiness, for he has not been properly drained and is thus unholy and greasy.Amen.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: I never said that Brad, if I had you could have used the quote button.If you believe that sick **** , thats your shortcoming. Speak for yourself, man... don't pretend to know what I believe.

Hmmm, perhaps I misread what you said. If so I apologize. I think I made my beliefs as clear as others on here.

I notice it has been edited now, so I could not quote it.

Brad

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Hmmm, perhaps I misread what you said. If so I apologize. I think I made my beliefs as clear as others on here. I notice it has been edited now, so I could not quote it. Brad

now, yes. it originally said 'LOL i agree' but i elaborated on what i agreed about.. don't worry, homie, i still love ya, regardless of when our 'streams get crossed' I think the internet makes it harder to understand each other sometimes, not easier. Different strokes, different folks.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Be it for HIM that we need Parmesan, Yeah, for he is bland. Let us not rejoice in his meatiness, for he has not been properly drained and is thus unholy and greasy.Amen.

That should say "Ramen" I am now offended.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: now, yes. it originally said 'LOL i agree' but i elaborated on what i agreed about.. don't worry, homie, i still love ya, regardless of when our 'streams get crossed' I think the internet makes it harder to understand each other sometimes, not easier. Different strokes, different folks.

Streams, Strokes, I? This is getting out of hand... You like the meatballs, you can admit it. They are HOT.

Brad

quote Originally posted by tbone42: i still love ya, regardless of when our 'streams get crossed'

If you stand farther apart - or better yet - use separate urinals, you won't have that problem.

The problem with this list is that it isn't chopped up into little sound bites that are played on MTV. Maybe if some of the people who voted for Obama could read..... (joking... sort of)...

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Obama lies. http://obamawtf.blogspot.co...-claimed-he-had.html

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quote Originally posted by Flamberge: If you stand farther apart - or better yet - use separate urinals, you won't have that problem.

:P

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: In order to get the votes, Obama TOLD THEM TO THEIR FACES that he WOULD NOT provide funds for abortion IF they voted for the health care plan. Those DEMOCRATS were WARNED not to believe Obama. But Obama ASSURED them it wouldn't happen. BECAUSE OF THAT ASSURANCE by Obama, they then went ahead and voted for the "health care plan". Now you are seeing that it was BOLD FACED, DIRECT, IN YOUR FACE LIE. Not a "miscommunication". Not a misunderstanding. A bold faced lie to GET THEIR VOTE.

Dan,
I know you're correct in what was stated and what was promised and I'm not going to suggest that every Dem. vote is a fraud but, I honestly don't believe all those Dems believed Obama then. But, it was a way for them to go back to their districts/states and say I only voted for the plan because President Obama assured us abortion would not be included. But, I am confident that many voted knowing all along that eventually he would find a way to get the abortion issue paid for by us. Regardless of how I feel about abortion, I hate thieves and liars, I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade, President Obama lied again.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Matthew 4:11.. I could probably find something more appropriate to reference, and not trying to be snooty, but you are wrong on this...

tbone, I have no quarrel with you, or your opinions. However, no sin is forgiven if forgiveness is not asked for and actions do not show repentance. My thoughts would be that only suicide could be an unforgiven sin.

quote Matthew 4:11 New International Version (©1984) Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Perhaps you mean Mark 3:29

quote Mark 3:29 New International Version (©1984) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

Yet take it in context.

quote Mark 3:28 and 3:29 Mark 3:28-29 (New International Version) 28) I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

One passage from the Bible is not an accurate description of what is said. One needs to read the whole Bible to understand the context, and still never will without asking the Holy Spirit for understanding.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Can anyone argue with this guy and make a mistake he does not catch? Cheers Cliff.

You give me too much credit.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: I still cannot put myself in the victim's place and say what is right or wrong for them, either. I guess thats one complicated area I am glad that I have male parts ...

Hmm ..., male parts ? You earlier asked for some of my thoughts on abortion. Here is another. A man who fathers a child, born or not, is responsible for supporting that child. Yet, he can not have a say if a child is aborted ? Let me tell you of a personal experience of mine with abortion.
After my first wife left me, another woman seduced me. She wanted to marry me. She got pregnant thinking I would, all the while telling me she was using protection. She finally told me after I split up with her. She threatened abortion. Of course I then lied to her, telling her I would marry her to prevent that abortion. Then bailed after it was legally too late to obtain one. Setting myself up for 18 years of child support. I am still friends with her today and my daughter lives with me. Did you know that in the Nobama regime that some of his administration believe abortions should be able to be had up untill birth ?

Arrgh ... burning daylight. Busy.

Oh, by the way. The latest is that New Mexico and PA. have dropped the abortion funding provisions since all this has been found out. They tried to sneak it in way too early. It will be back, .

Text of the Executive Order on Abortion

I'm not done here yet. I just got started.

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: As far as I can see, all the TEA parties are anti government funding of things that aren't the government's responsibility. I'm sure there are some TEA party patriots who are against all abortion, some who are against some abortions, and some (like myself) who couldn't care less who gets an abortion as long as they don't expect the rest of us to pay for it. IMO it's the mother and father's moral issue to deal with and their consciences involved and it's none of my bidness; but I don't owe them the money (or any part of the money) to go have it done. And no, this was never about high-risk pregnancies. It's high-risk insurance pools (ie people who have trouble getting insurance). For someone who has a chronic health problem and doesn't want to pass it to a child, how smart is it to go out and get knocked-up in the first place ? I can accept that they might terminate the prenancy; but it's not my problem. They can sell a few BeeJays or something to pay for it for all I care.

That's my point. They just said they were opposed to the bill over abortion funding. When it came down to it, they voted for it so they really can't claim to have opposed it. IMO they were just holding out knowing each of them would receive a nice bribe right up until there were enough yes votes to pass the bill.

Then numbnuts Stupak voted yes in exchange for what ? An extra runway added to his local county airport ?? Either he got a lot more than that wired to his personal account, or the man is really either dumb enough to believe what he was saying or dumb enough to drop his opposition to a multitrillion dollar clusterf@#k for a few thousand dollars worth of pork barrel funding.

Personally I think he just got a metric $hit-ton of personal wealth out of the deal and figured the airport story was good enough to cover his ass with his ignorant uninformed constituents. Dem voters will believe almost anything a crooked dem politician tells them; so long as it's handfed to them by the smiling faces on their TV set.

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DING DING DING ... we have a winner.
Lets not forget how this obamanation passed. Scott Brown got elected. Said to have took Kennedy's seat. Which, as Scott pointed out was the people's seat.
If the bill was changed, the Senate would have had to re-retify the House version.


Lets all monitor Stupak's future.

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