According to NBC news last nite, mexican residents and business owners are doing a mass exodus from the state as the deadline approaches. To me their leaving just proves there illegally here. If they were here legally, they wouldnt pack up and be moving back to mexico. Might be some great business and home deals there soon....maybe ill move there myself. One school they checked lost over 100 students last week.

illegal that is a business owner? wow
cant have that

sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: illegal that is a business owner? wow cant have that sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

You say potato, I say STFU. I bet the authorities are driving around with raging hard on's just waiting to spot a Mexican girl without her papers :roll eyes:

I thought you said all cops were good? Can you get your stories straight? Can you tell I'm tired of your crap?

Brad

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: illegal that is a business owner? wow cant have that sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

I'd prefer LEGAL business owners who follow the laws of this country. If they don't respect the law and break into the country, what they do once they get here is irrelevant. There are plenty of legal ways to get into America. It happens all the time. Do that, and then start your business, and then you have nothing to worry about.

Saying an illegal is a benefit to the country is like saying someone who broke and entered your house is great because he turned off the oven you accidentally left on last night.

Pyrthian, if you lived in phoenix for more then a week you might not make blind statements and sound like such a moron. Illegals are a very big problem here.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Can you tell I'm tired of your crap? Brad

I don't even bother to read his posts any more.

quote Originally posted by FieroFiend: Pyrthian, if you lived in phoenix for more then a week you might not make blind statements and sound like such a moron. Illegals are a very big problem here.

Would it really make a difference if he did?

quote Originally posted by FieroFiend: Pyrthian, if you lived in phoenix for more then a week you might not make blind statements and sound like such a moron. Illegals are a very big problem here.

Can't you just take the word of a guy that lives thousands of miles away, and drinks cool-aid regularly??

It's obviously a case of you "blowing everything out of proportion" and just being plain racist.

I mean, I must hate everyone except fellow crackers simply because I support Arizona. You're probably just another racist cracker, and can't accept losing everything you love, and worked for simply because a group of people decide that what you have should be theirs. Just give it to them, if your ancestors hadn't raped their land and "forced them to basically give you part of Mexico" this wouldn't be happening.

Puff Puff pass brother.

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Brad

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Maybe if they are legal, they're leaving because they realize a lot of their clients/customers are/may be leaving?

This law in AZ is about asking for status when a crime was comitted (not just checking people waking down the street), right?

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: You say potato, I say STFU. I bet the authorities are driving around with raging hard on's just waiting to spot a Mexican girl without her papers :roll eyes: I thought you said all cops were good? Can you get your stories straight? Can you tell I'm tired of your crap? Brad

cops are good - generally speaking.
any statement with "all" followed by a group of people is inaccurate.

how about someone in Arizona go and get a State of Arizona Passport. no such thing? why not?
because that is not within their authourity

there ARE real problem with illegals. I agree 100%. the main one being cheap foreign labor. that is the actual issue. and that needs to be addressed in both these "illegals" and with outsourcing. they are the SAME problem. they undermine american workers. and the oursourcing is MUCH more damaging than the illegals. at least with the illegals the money stays on-shore.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: cops are good - generally speaking. any statement with "all" followed by a group of people is inaccurate. how about someone in Arizona go and get a State of Arizona Passport. no such thing? why not? because that is not within their authourity there ARE real problem with illegals. I agree 100%. the main one being cheap foreign labor. that is the actual issue. and that needs to be addressed in both these "illegals" and with outsourcing. they are the SAME problem. they undermine american workers. and the oursourcing is MUCH more damaging than the illegals. at least with the illegals the money stays on-shore.

No it doesn't Billions are sent back "home" to Mexico never to be seen again.

Get your facts straight.

Brad

quote Originally posted by FieroFiend: Pyrthian, if you lived in phoenix for more then a week you might not make blind statements and sound like such a moron. Illegals are a very big problem here.

maybe.
mexicans up here are awesome. they work. unlike the native "citizens of detroit".
we also get "white" illegals. albianians, poles, and other odd not quite sure eastern europeans, who come in thru Canada
and, of course - the arabs.

so, how is it that the crime rate has been steadily dropping in AZ, and especially Pheonix? not being there, that sounds backwards.....?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: cops are good - generally speaking. any statement with "all" followed by a group of people is inaccurate. how about someone in Arizona go and get a State of Arizona Passport. no such thing? why not? because that is not within their authourity there ARE real problem with illegals. I agree 100%. the main one being cheap foreign labor. that is the actual issue. and that needs to be addressed in both these "illegals" and with outsourcing. they are the SAME problem. they undermine american workers. and the oursourcing is MUCH more damaging than the illegals. at least with the illegals the money stays on-shore.

Your ignorance about states not being able to enforce federal law is astounding.
What the hell does a passport have to do with it, more twisted logic.
Ever hear that NH has been enforcing immigration laws for some time and it hasn't lifted an eyebrow among you lefties yet?

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: According to NBC news last nite, mexican residents and business owners are doing a mass exodus from the state as the deadline approaches. To me their leaving just proves there illegally here. If they were here legally, they wouldnt pack up and be moving back to mexico. Might be some great business and home deals there soon....maybe ill move there myself. One school they checked lost over 100 students last week.

What about the legal business in the state? Last I heard, Sizzler (one that recently raided by ICE) is owned by American company and so too are many other companies operating in the state. IMHO it's the evil merchants who are the main reason for this type of illegal behavior and the Federal Government for not enforcing the laws.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: What about the legal business in the state? Last I heard, Sizzler (one that recently raided by ICE) is owned by American company and so too are many other companies operating in the state. IMHO it's the evil merchants who are the main reason for this type of illegal behavior and the Federal Government for not enforcing the laws.

Why is it businesses responsibility to play cop? That's an especially good question when the federal government, whose responsibility it IS, isn't doing the job.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: What about the legal business in the state? Last I heard, Sizzler (one that recently raided by ICE) is owned by American company and so too are many other companies operating in the state. IMHO it's the evil merchants who are the main reason for this type of illegal behavior and the Federal Government for not enforcing the laws.

So it's up to the employers to verify and double check fake documents? They use real SS numbers (they just don't belong to them) you want to penalize everyone because they don't run a $1500 background check on every part time employee.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: What about the legal business in the state? Last I heard, Sizzler (one that recently raided by ICE) is owned by American company and so too are many other companies operating in the state. IMHO it's the evil merchants who are the main reason for this type of illegal behavior and the Federal Government for not enforcing the laws.

In AZ there is E-Varify, but it don't stop the illegals from using fake documents. It is illegal here to hire illegals, unlike CA.
They were raided in order to bust the illegals who had fake documents, Sizzler had no knowledge of it and were not charged with anything.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: so, how is it that the crime rate has been steadily dropping in AZ, and especially Pheonix? not being there, that sounds backwards.....?

Remember way back in 2007, Arizona passed a law saying employers couldn't "knowingly" hire illegal workers? There were lawsuits aplenty at that time and Arizona won in U.S. District Court and in the Appeals Court. Since then the crime rate has gone down but it's probably just a coincidence.

quote Originally posted by spark1: Remember way back in 2007, Arizona passed a law saying employers couldn't "knowingly" hire illegal workers? There were lawsuits aplenty at that time and Arizona won in U.S. District Court and in the Appeals Court. Since then the crime rate has gone down but it's probably just a coincidence.

And many illegals left because of no work.
Off to CA and Utah they went.
Less illegals, falling crime rate, Nah, one has nothing to do with the other.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: illegal that is a business owner? wow cant have that sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

Pyrth... it's REALLY simple...

If you're legal... you have a drivers license, or a social security card.

Anyone that gets pulled over that has a drivers license, is legal. Plain and simple...

If you're illegal and you get pulled over, chances are you don't have a drivers license, or one that will properly match the car registration and / or the number and name combination.

There is NO REASON at all for LEGAL immigrants to want to leave...

quote Originally posted by FieroRumor: Maybe if they are legal, they're leaving because they realize a lot of their clients/customers are/may be leaving? This law in AZ is about asking for status when a crime was comitted (not just checking people waking down the street), right?

Exactly... they can ONLY check your information when investigating another crime. (not like jaywalking)

The law explicitly states that they can only question immigration if and when they are being pulled over for a traffic or criminal violation. With respect to traffic violations, if they have a drivers license... it means they are legal, or resident. If they don't have a drivers license... it's illegal.

You are NOT obligated by law to submit any paperwork to anyone, including authorities, unless you are comitting a crime. If a police officer stops a random person walking down the sidewalk... he has NO RIGHT to request his drivers license or identification card. The person must have comitted a crime before that can be requested. This goes for ALL states.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: No it doesn't Billions are sent back "home" to Mexico never to be seen again. Get your facts straight. Brad

Pyrth, Brad is correct. 1/5th of Mexico's entire economy is based SOLELY on Mexican illegals and immigrants sending money back to their families at home. This is common knowledge.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: how do they make all that money? sounds like they are working? this means they are being taxed. and they live nowhere? dont buy food? dont buy goods? what a strange land that must be

The money is UN-TAXED because they're not being paid illegally. This is your opening for you to say that there shouldn't be companies that are paying people illegally. Yes, but it's a lot more difficult than that. Every aspect of the economy has illegal workers in it. When you hire a contractor to do a job, the contractor might be licensed and insured, but his workers probably aren't. A contractor, even a sub-contractor, can then hire illegals to do the job. There's no documentation, and nothing to prove that an illegal did the job, nor does anyone care... they just want to get the work done. Despite what you think the priority should be, the fact remains is that they are all getting paid under the table, and any extra money they have goes back to their families in Mexico. I don't blame them, but it's a problem for us. I would rather see Mexico fight it's own battles with it's own corrupt government rather than have them all just flee here.


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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: how do they make all that money? sounds like they are working? this means they are being taxed. and they live nowhere? dont buy food? dont buy goods? what a strange land that must be

So you have proof that 100% of the people working are paying taxes? Even those that mow lawns for cash?

It's not like one guy is sending a billion dollars to Mexico here. It's a drain on the system. You know the kids that broke in and lit my building on fire? One of them is an "anchor baby" Hispanic, and the police, and I fully expect the family to disappear before the court date. Now, who gets to pay for that damage?

If they take off as is expected, and don't pay damages it goes to the other kid. If I had insurance everybody paying in would have paid. The Police, and Fire Department charge a fee to go to the fire/scene, and bill the person at fault. If they don't pay that, (once again likely that they won't) then the amount goes to the taxpayer.

Even if they have paid taxes at whatever job they have worked over the past two years that they have lived here, and the city took every dime of that, and put it in a fund for when their kid destroys a building that doesn't belong to them. It would probably cover a quarter of what is needed.

As for the money sent to Mexico, and them spending in the US which helps, sure, they spend here, they shop in stores owned by illegals, that pay as little tax as they can, (I'm not really against that, just saying), buying items that are typically not available here, and are smuggled in, and sold for next to nothing. then, with the money left over they (illegals) send it back home. All of this while living 4+ families to a house, driving cars that are typically not insured, the people are not licensed, and don't care, because if they get in trouble, they just changed ID's and go on. Get deported on Friday? They are back to work on Monday, different name, same person.

It's not a good situation, but if you have no problem with it you can enjoy it.

FWIW, I have lived in Mexico, it's a beautiful country, and there are opportunities there, the people that end up here illegally are the ones that are the equivalent to our white trash, they are not useful down there, and can't make it because, well, they are useless. The people that stay in Mexico are typically very nice, hard workers, and have beautiful houses.

Brad

quote Originally posted by partfiero: In AZ there is E-Varify, but it don't stop the illegals from using fake documents. It is illegal here to hire illegals, unlike CA. They were raided in order to bust the illegals who had fake documents, Sizzler had no knowledge of it and were not charged with anything.

So what your telling me then is; Sizzler can still have many illegal employees working for them, but at a different location. If they are raided-the company can just claim- I'd E-verified. Sounds like Sizzler has a system set-up where nobody talks--unless somebody is pissed and then calls the authorities.

Like I said, evil merchants.

Oil production is number one to the Mexican economy.
Money that is leaving our economy (Mexicans sending money back and government checks, ranks second.
No wonder why the Mexican Government don't want it to stop.
And as much as buying from China hurts our economy, dollar for dollar, them sending money out without purchasing a friggen thing hurts us even worse.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: So what your telling me then is; Sizzler can still have many illegal employees working for them, but at a different location. If they are raided-the company can just claim- I'd E-verified. Sounds like Sizzler has a system set-up where nobody talks--unless somebody is pissed and then calls the authorities. Like I said, evil merchants.

I don't think it is ok for them to do that, but we all know they do, yet we still shop there. I know that the chicken plants around here hire illegals, they could care less whom it hurts. They pay whatever fines ICE hands down whenever they are "caught" and go on. Georges Processing, and Tyson's are the Plants around here that do it. They are blatant about it, they don't try to hide it. (phrased both ways for the people that don't understand the first word)

I don't buy chicken from either of these places, because I know that doing so is supporting illegal immigration. I am sure the other places do the same, but I have no proof. Their plants make chicken for KFC, and other fast food places, as well as our schools, and prisons.

I can't blame the illegals, if I was stuck in a country where I couldn't make a living, I would do whatever it took to support my family. I blame the companies that hire them.

Arizona enacted E-Verify when I was in Phoenix, and it was a night and day difference. Simply amazing, but they still have a problem, and are taking steps to fix that.

Brad

Businesses have a hell of a time getting workers to begin with. Then when they do they send in all their info from the employee to the feds. The feds get their money and that is pretty much the end of the story.

They know where their money comes from so they drag their feet. Simple as that.

Blaming the businesses is just par for course. It is bullshit really. I had to have my brother let go his best worker a few months back because I found out the guys work visa was expired. I had checked into getting it renewed and then found out it was a fake. So we let the guy go. We reported it and guess what they did? .............Wait for it............................Nothing. Not a damn thing. They don't care.

As a business we play by the rules. Also as a business we get shitted on for playing by the rules and it is the fault of all you ****ing crybaby bullshit hypocrites out there. The general populace will hire anyone to work for them. They don't give a **** if they have insurance, are bonded,Pay workers comp,Overtime,Employ illegals or what ever. All they care about (when I say they I mean you and everybody) is getting the deal and saving money.

We have to compete with these ****ers. We have to pay all the bills and do everything legal at a huge expense and compete with those that have none of the expenses and assume no liability for anything.

Even in this time of economic struggle with so many out of work we can't get people to work. We pay 12 bucks an hour for general labor. We will train you just listen,learn and do your job. Get experience and get paid for it. Sounds great. Never ever get a black,Asian or middle eastern man looking for the job ever. In 25 years I can remember only maybe 8 white guys and that has been years since the last one. We get a few Mexican that were born here but they usually turn out to be kinda lazy. We have gotten a few white girls over the years that have been good but they move on as they are actually destined for much better things.
The last ten years the best we get is usually mexicans or Guatemalans on permit or visa. Any one else would rather sit at home and collect unemployment or some other assistance. If they can't get a job doing nothing in an airconditioned enviroment for 20 plus bucks an hour plus holiday pay and every other benifit under the sun they won't budge.

I personally am so sick of hearing liberals , republican and everyone inbetween complain about whatever it is they are complaining about and never once do you hear anyone complain about personal responsibility of the individule being an American citizen.

We have the right to vote. We squander it.
We have the right to get educated. We avoid it.
We have the right to know what your government is doing. We complain instead.
We have a constitution we can have pride in. We try and change it.
We have the right to not care about any of this. We don't care as a whole.

What we don't have a right to do is break our laws and everytime we hire someone without a contractors license for a job over 500 bucks we are breaking the law and killing our economy along with the poor shmuck that follows the rules.
That can apply to any business from stores to restaurants.

All the American kids are spending the free money the parents give them as basically bribes to leave them alone.
They are sitting getting fat at all the fast food restaurants and gues who is serving them. Not Americans! There are no American kids working behind the counter. They have their own in house welfare so why work. When I was a kid most kids dreamed of finding a job anywhere to get some cash. That isn't the case anymore.

Point is we cause our own demise and then ***** about it like some elcted official did this to us. It just isn't so.
They didn't do this to us and they will only do what we want.

This whole bullshit with Arizona and the feds is proof positive that our government is useless and our people are the government there we are useless.

I find every single arguement I hear absolutely ridiculous as none of them ever address the root of the problem. They all revolve around bitchen about someone getting something for nothing or haveing something for nothing taken away.
Never ever is the arguement or discussion about personal responsibility as an American.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I don't think it is ok for them to do that, but we all know they do, yet we still shop there. I know that the chicken plants around here hire illegals, they could care less whom it hurts. They pay whatever fines ICE hands down whenever they are "caught" and go on. Georges Processing, and Tyson's are the Plants around here that do it. They are blatant about it, they don't try to hide it. (phrased both ways for the people that don't understand the first word) I don't buy chicken from either of these places, because I know that doing so is supporting illegal immigration. I am sure the other places do the same, but I have no proof. Their plants make chicken for KFC, and other fast food places, as well as our schools, and prisons. I can't blame the illegals, if I was stuck in a country where I couldn't make a living, I would do whatever it took to support my family. I blame the companies that hire them. Arizona enacted E-Verify when I was in Phoenix, and it was a night and day difference. Simply amazing, but they still have a problem, and are taking steps to fix that. Brad

That's what I figured and thanks for the explanation. Evil Merchants + easy penalties/fines = mega $$$$ and happy consumers.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: That's what I figured and thanks for the explanation. Evil Merchants + easy penalties/fines = mega $$$$ and happy consumers.

If the whole nation went to E-Verify we could stop most of those evil merchants, and half or more of the illegals would go home on their own.
And with millions of Americans losing their unemployment soon, they might be able to get a job to support themselves.
WIN-WIN!

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: illegal that is a business owner? wow cant have that sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

uhhh...what?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: uhhh...what?

The thing the liberals don't seem to know is that forever local authorities have been busting people for committing federal crimes, and then handing them over to the feds.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: illegal that is a business owner? wow cant have that sounds more like legals fleeing, due to being harassed by authourities that dont actualy have authourity?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I am a anchor baby. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...07-6-057064.html#p15

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: According to NBC news last nite, mexican residents and business owners are doing a mass exodus from the state as the deadline approaches. To me their leaving just proves there illegally here. If they were here legally, they wouldnt pack up and be moving back to mexico. Might be some great business and home deals there soon....maybe ill move there myself. One school they checked lost over 100 students last week.

I'm sure there are few legit Mexican immigrants that are leaving due to fear of persecution, but there is always collateral damage in war.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Businesses have a hell of a time getting workers to begin with. Then when they do they send in all their info from the employee to the feds. The feds get their money and that is pretty much the end of the story. They know where their money comes from so they drag their feet. Simple as that. Blaming the businesses is just par for course. It is bullshit really. I had to have my brother let go his best worker a few months back because I found out the guys work visa was expired. I had checked into getting it renewed and then found out it was a fake. So we let the guy go. We reported it and guess what they did? .............Wait for it............................Nothing. Not a damn thing. They don't care. As a business we play by the rules. Also as a business we get shitted on for playing by the rules and it is the fault of all you ****ing crybaby bullshit hypocrites out there. The general populace will hire anyone to work for them. They don't give a **** if they have insurance, are bonded,Pay workers comp,Overtime,Employ illegals or what ever. All they care about (when I say they I mean you and everybody) is getting the deal and saving money. We have to compete with these ****ers. We have to pay all the bills and do everything legal at a huge expense and compete with those that have none of the expenses and assume no liability for anything. Even in this time of economic struggle with so many out of work we can't get people to work. We pay 12 bucks an hour for general labor. We will train you just listen,learn and do your job. Get experience and get paid for it. Sounds great. Never ever get a black,Asian or middle eastern man looking for the job ever. In 25 years I can remember only maybe 8 white guys and that has been years since the last one. We get a few Mexican that were born here but they usually turn out to be kinda lazy. We have gotten a few white girls over the years that have been good but they move on as they are actually destined for much better things. The last ten years the best we get is usually mexicans or Guatemalans on permit or visa. Any one else would rather sit at home and collect unemployment or some other assistance. If they can't get a job doing nothing in an airconditioned enviroment for 20 plus bucks an hour plus holiday pay and every other benifit under the sun they won't budge. I personally am so sick of hearing liberals , republican and everyone inbetween complain about whatever it is they are complaining about and never once do you hear anyone complain about personal responsibility of the individule being an American citizen. We have the right to vote. We squander it. We have the right to get educated. We avoid it. We have the right to know what your government is doing. We complain instead. We have a constitution we can have pride in. We try and change it. We have the right to not care about any of this. We don't care as a whole. What we don't have a right to do is break our laws and everytime we hire someone without a contractors license for a job over 500 bucks we are breaking the law and killing our economy along with the poor shmuck that follows the rules. That can apply to any business from stores to restaurants. All the American kids are spending the free money the parents give them as basically bribes to leave them alone. They are sitting getting fat at all the fast food restaurants and gues who is serving them. Not Americans! There are no American kids working behind the counter. They have their own in house welfare so why work. When I was a kid most kids dreamed of finding a job anywhere to get some cash. That isn't the case anymore. Point is we cause our own demise and then ***** about it like some elcted official did this to us. It just isn't so. They didn't do this to us and they will only do what we want. This whole bullshit with Arizona and the feds is proof positive that our government is useless and our people are the government there we are useless. I find every single arguement I hear absolutely ridiculous as none of them ever address the root of the problem. They all revolve around bitchen about someone getting something for nothing or haveing something for nothing taken away. Never ever is the arguement or discussion about personal responsibility as an American.

I think you have California glasses on, other places are not as you describe.

As a long time Arizona resident (30+ years) I was shocked to see non-Latinos doing yard work in Oregon. The cheap labor craze hasn't completely caught on, maybe because so many natives are unemployed. Every day I see manual labor being performed by non-Latinos and it still surprises me.

A new Sonic drive-up restaurant just opened and all the workers I saw were white kids. I had to do a double take. You can still order food in English at McDonald's!

I know it’s hard for a Californian to believe and I’ll probably live to see it change like it did in Arizona but for right now, it’s different here.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I'm sure there are few legit Mexican immigrants that are leaving due to fear of persecution, but there is always collateral damage in war.

Let them leave, they are the ones that should be mad about illegals in the first place.

quote Originally posted by FieroRumor: Maybe if they are legal, they're leaving because they realize a lot of their clients/customers are/may be leaving? This law in AZ is about asking for status when a crime was comitted (not just checking people waking down the street), right?

Yup, and as a paranoid anti-government person myself, i really don't see a problem with this. If you commit a crime ( or they have a reasonable suspicion that you have so they are taking you into custody... ) asking for proof of who you are and your legal status is not unreasonable. We have to show who we are now if you get arrested, regardless of race/origin. Of course if you don't think you have a requirement to prove who you are, then you can stay in jail.

Now if they start stopping people randomly for fun asking for their papers, we have a problem. But as written, the law isn't a problem, to me.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I am a anchor baby. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...07-6-057064.html#p15

I still like my quote from back then.
'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: I still like my quote from back then. 'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama

Sounded sooooo good to sooooo many when it was made, not so good now.
Some knew what the slime ball was up to, but a few to many drank the Kool Aid.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: What about the legal business in the state? Last I heard, Sizzler (one that recently raided by ICE) is owned by American company and so too are many other companies operating in the state. IMHO it's the evil merchants who are the main reason for this type of illegal behavior and the Federal Government for not enforcing the laws.

You are only half correct. The rest of the problem is free hand outs.
"illegals" only come here because it is better here than there. Why? SOOOO many reasons, but one major reason is the handouts that they get from America. Just why do we even let them in our publicly funded schools? IF they have the money to go private, then so be it if they can get around the being here illegally thing. But tax money SHOULD NOT fund illegal immigration or promote it.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: any statement with "all" followed by a group of people is inaccurate.

Not Quite: "All white people are human beings."

(JOKE)

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