In just two years...

Remember the election in 2006?

Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over two years ago:




1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.




Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:




1) Consumer confidence plummet;

2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) American households have seen $2..3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);

5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;

6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.




America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!




Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.



Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama






Part 2:



Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html



Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.




PART 3:



You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?

Read this:

Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it

is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

I now find that to be RIDICULOUS..

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again

until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I

have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs

such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/...S/0604/01/ldt.0.html



5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/.../0604/01/ldt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/.../0604/01/ldt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/.../0604/01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &

social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at:

http://premium.cnn.com/TRAN.../0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused

by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/.../0604/01/ldt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate

that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,

their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/.../0606/12/ldt.01.html



11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens

from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin

and marijuana Ana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total

cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average

cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'

Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyin.../pdf/deportation.pdf



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances

back to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www.rense..com/general75/niht.htm



14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million

Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'

Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Why are we THAT stupid?
If any of this is even a small bit true, we are truly screwed.

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Thanks for posting that. I've said it before, I can't believe that this is the best the Dems have to offer. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with Senator McCain on many issues but, the alternative scares the hell out of me.


Ron

As important as this information is, it won't make a damn bit of difference. Those of us who are already horrified of an Obama presidency see this as further confirmation of what we already see coming. The "other side" will be unable to accept it and see it only as right wing propaganda with numbers that have somehow been skewed or manipulated to meet a specific agenda. No one will learn from this information because they don't want to admit that it might be accurate. And even those who might be able to accept its accuracy still won't be swayed, as they'll somehow justify it with other things. I bet it'll happen right here in this thread.

Having said that. Let me add I'm only slightly less horrified of a McCain presidency. I still say we should demand a "do-over" with some better candidates in both camps. It's a pretty sad commentary on the current bi-partisan system when the BEST they have to offer is either a snot-nosed trainee who's obviously anti-white, and seems to be even anti-American, or an old fart who doesn't really seem to have any ideas of his own.
Makes me wanna cry.

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Maybe Colin Powell will come riding in on his noble steed and save the day.

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'87 GT Auto
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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: Maybe Colin Powell will come riding in on his noble steed and save the day.

Indeed he would. The idea of a black president is fine with me...as long as it's the RIGHT (no pun intended) black guy!

p.s. - how many of our liberal friends do you think will read and acknowledge this? What kind of excuses do you figure they will try to use to deny the tax rates?

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I fear history is about to repeat itself. It's like it's 1976 again and we're about to elect Jimmy Carter.

Don't blame me, I don't vote.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.. ...... 12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyin.../pdf/deportation.pdf The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

LOL

Yes, it's all the illegal aliens fault! Lets dissect that further though.

The war in Iraq has cost $543 Billion as of this post (and climbing). It was an elected war. No Iraqi bombed US territory or anything like that.

Consider, that while your illegal aliens cost $338B / year (supposedly), that it would cost 50% less than the war, $206B, to deport all the illegal aliens. (your numbers)

Yet instead, Senor Amnistía Bush chose to start a war we didn't need, vs fight the one here on our homeland.

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: LOL Yes, it's all the illegal aliens fault! Lets dissect that further though. The war in Iraq has cost $543 Billion as of this post (and climbing). It was an elected war. No Iraqi bombed US territory or anything like that. Consider, that while your illegal aliens cost $338B / year (supposedly), that it would cost 50% less than the war, $206B, to deport all the illegal aliens. (your numbers) Yet instead, Senor Amnistía Bush chose to start a war we didn't need, vs fight the one here on our homeland.

I've seen this post in an email and everyone seems to zero in on the illegal alien points. I think if I were to forward it, I'd leave that off.
Pay attention to the comparison tax rates and the changes in the economy in the last 2 years. Then decide if those are the types of changes you like. We all know not much will change with regard to illegal immirants anyway.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: In just two years... Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following: A little over two years ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; blah blah blah.... [paste yet another predictable Republican party generated propaganda rant here] Why are we THAT stupid?

I often wonder.
http://www.snopes.com/polit...s/votedforchange.asp

[Its FALSE.]

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I love it. It's ridiculous propaganda that things have gotten so much worse since the Dems got back their majority, but you can be sure if there was any improvment, they'd be the first to take credit.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I love it. It's ridiculous propaganda that things have gotten so much worse since the Dems got back their majority, but you can be sure if there was any improvment, they'd be the first to take credit.

Propaganda? no, it is indisputable.

BUT who to blame seems to be up for grabs and both sides are eagerly pointing the finger.

Is snopes supposed to be a neutral source for info? hmmmm, I don't know about that.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I've seen this post in an email and everyone seems to zero in on the illegal alien points. I think if I were to forward it, I'd leave that off. Pay attention to the comparison tax rates and the changes in the economy in the last 2 years. Then decide if those are the types of changes you like. We all know not much will change with regard to illegal immirants anyway.

Democrats tax, republicans spend.... nothing new there.

I don't think their 2(?) person majority in the senate gives them any room for passing anything of substance either. And I think one of those two people is Lieberman

I'm sure You Guys will love to pick this apart and set Me straight..lol
I'll be the 1st to admit I'm not as Politically informed as I should be but I do know this....Yes paying higher income taxes sucks, but I don't see lowering them NOT causing other taxes to rise..We seem to pay them in the end anyhow. When Clinton left office there was a SURPLUS......didn't take W long to erase that. I'm not thrilled with the choices either party has to offer either, but I won't vote for a candidate whose party seems to cater to big business and the wealthy. I'm a Blue Collar worker and I "used" to be considered middle class. I really Despise the fact that this Administration keeps getting caught up in it's own lies when FORCED to show what it "calls" State Secrets that end up just being nothing more than attempts to hide ILLEGAL actions....wire taps among other things. I also love how W and others in His Administration seem to think They are above the Laws of The United States....and if They don't like some of them They just change them to suit their needs. Isn't it just wonderful how America was always looked upon with distaste by many foreign Countries, but now is Hated by even more. I believe W and His Administration have caused a rise in the number of Terrorists that there are.....You don't think They don't watch CNN and hear how W and His Administration LIED to start the war in Iraq??
Don't assume anything I have written here is anti-American, I am Proud to be an American, I am a Veteran of the U.S.A.F. and am very Proud I served My Country and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.....but I keep hearing these words over and over in My head...but they just don't seem to be true....." A Government By the People For the People "

I don't think that we, as a nation, have hit rock bottom yet. I believe this will come to pass after the next election, regardless of who wins. I see no end to our problems until we hit rock bottom. Maybe then we will do something about it and get rid of some of the career politicians that only care to line their pockets with out money.

if you think dems or repub's are the cause or the solution - you are 100% a fool. try THINKING.

lets see - housing & credit crunch - only one person to blame - the fool who de-regulated the mortgage & loan industry. this is the root of most of economic problems. the other part of the economic problems is the fuel/energy costs. I dont see a single point of blame here. yes, the "war" didnt help - but surely is not the entire cause. worldwide jump in demand is the main cause. consumer confidence is linked to them items - not to a dem or rep. I dont think there is a "fuel price" knob on either side, which can be twisted to adjust the cost. duh.

taxes - cant say - been pretty consistant thruout my life. have yet to see something "smart" come from either the skunks, or the weasels.

yes - the iraq "war" aint cheap. and - it seems to be ignored that the WAR IS OVER. the actual expensive part is: the reconstruction. that why they can say how cheap the war is - ITS OVER. $200k/minute is spent on reconstruction. yes - thats probably a million dollars by the time you read this thread.

and - when it comes to immigrants. duh. I am a anchor baby. this nation is better because I am here. and better because my father is here. this nation collected much $$$ from me my family. I am more productive than just about EVERY "native" american I have met. my dad doubly so. "citizens" are NOT a burden. they are a commodity. a nation cannot exist without a growing population. and, since there are so many foolish people, who are to smart & pretty to have babies - they gotta come from somewhere.

Change... Obama... right.

Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it. (another Jimmy carter...)

I don't think, I know both sides are to blame.
For those that don't like it here or can't take the heat.
http://www.lifeaftertheoilc...temPages/GetOut.html

Who's really running the country? Ain't the Dems or Reps. Look at the interests of the big companies. They might not have complete control of their overseas ventures but in time they will. Who's paying for Katrina, floods, droughts, foreclosures and those issues mentioned above? How many banks have gone under? What's the breaking number of national debt before everything shuts down?

Wow! From reading the Snopes article, you can tell the author is WAY BIASED.

I never seen any Snopes article be so personal.

Oh well.

While I do agree with the article that all what is happening in the economy isn't all the fault of Dimocrats taking control of our government in 2006, they sure haven't done anything to make things better. They have certainly made things worse.

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Didn't Nancy Pelosi promise to make gas cheaper when it was $2.50 if only the dems were elected.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Didn't Nancy Pelosi promise to make gas cheaper when it was $2.50 if only the dems were elected.

Another promised made, another promised broken.

Just blame Bush!

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Maybe if the Republicans and Bush would start cooperating with the Dems instead of filibustering, obstructing, and blocking every single thing at every single step (the Republicans would filibuster an ant trying to get a grain of sugar in the Whitehouse basement) as they have done for the last two years (and worse in the dozen years before that when they had a straight majority) we'd have a real energy policy now. Remember, it took more than a decade to get in the sh!thole we're in now, it's going to take a long time to undo the damage the Republicans have done, if it can even be undone at all. JazzMan

Oh come on, Jazz. Everything is not that black and white. Everything wasn't perfect "back when the shining Knights of the Democrat party" ruled fairly and justly over this blessed land.

The Democrats held a majority from 1955 - 1981. The U.S. didn't turn into some kind of utopia. By the end of the 70's, with Democrat Congress and Executive branches, the country's economy was in ruin and we had nightly updates on the "Misery Index." Home mortgages were in the high double digit interest rates, if you could get one.

The GOP held the majority from 1981 - 1987. The economy rebounded and growth exploded. Gas prices went from historic highs to nearly historic lows.

From 1987 - 1995, the Democrats had the majority again. Again, no utopia to be found. Remember the stock market crash in the Fall of 1987? I do.

Now, if you'd like to remove the filibuster for BOTH parties you might be on to something. That what whichever party has a majority can pretty much do as it pleases. Personaly I prefer a bit of check and balance between the parties. I don't want a massive GOP majority, nor a massive Democrat majority. Keeping the division more even, like it is now, will force more compromise between the parties. I see that as a good thing.

Everyone really needs to stop looking at politics with the idea that "My party is perfect. Yours sucks."

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Maybe if the Republicans and Bush would start cooperating with the Dems instead of filibustering, obstructing, and blocking every single thing at every single step (the Republicans would filibuster an ant trying to get a grain of sugar in the Whitehouse basement) as they have done for the last two years (and worse in the dozen years before that when they had a straight majority) we'd have a real energy policy now. Remember, it took more than a decade to get in the sh!thole we're in now, it's going to take a long time to undo the damage the Republicans have done, if it can even be undone at all. JazzMan

Same could be said for the Dems they did the same thing only then the Reps had control. Niether side is for the good of the country over the good of the party.

Don't like the mexicans here? Move to mexico! Most of them are over here now.
And to the achor baby Pyrthian... While you may think you and your father or other family members are a asset to this country, remember this...YOU, YOUR FATHER AND ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBER WHO ENTERED THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT GOING THRU THE CORRECT PROCEEDURES ARE "ILLEGAL ALIEN's" which makes you all criminals in the USA! I personally dont give a rats ass what "you" think. The fact is...Criminal plain and simple. Don't like it? Leave!
You all can hit me with all the negative's you like for getting on Pyrthian but dammit I am a LEGAL AMERICAN and I am flat out fed up with illegal immigration!

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sorry bunky - I be legal, 100% US born Citizen. my parents became citzens in the 80's
and, my older brother - who never became a US citizen, did in fact serve, and so did my dad. no, I did not.

sorry you aint got what it takes to make it thru your days, and it upsets you to see so many who do got what it takes - and they aint like you, and talk funny.

I am as american as any other white & black man in north america.

Lets all remember that the economy does not change over night. It can take 4-8 years for what the president or congress does to change the economy to actually show in your every day life. So to credit the current administration with blame or congradulations for the state of the current economy just shows how little we understand about how the economy works. Its not like your Fiero just go stick a new part in it and off down the road it goes.
No surprise that the Dem's raise taxes how else would you pay for massive government programs centered on keeping poor people poor and rich people rich? The Demicratic party is more like the Republicians of 30 years ago than anything. All politicians lie to get into office and gain power all to increase the only thing they care about their own personal wealth. Look at Clinton who became a millionare after being president if you think im wrong.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 008 Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

But But But...all of these people are RICH!