I already know the answer, but it should be. I knew this guy (he used to be a friend). He is 22 and tried to have sex with my good friends brother (he is 13). The lowest of the low is trying to do some disgusting stunt like that. Needless to say the got a good beating in a parking lot last night. All my friends went to jail. I didnt do anything or have any part of it because I know the kid is a little girl and would call the cops. He did.... My friends brothers mom filed a report and the cops didnt arrest the 22 year old for god knows what reasons. The kid who just got beat up is now saying he was jumped by a bunch of different people to get them thrown in jail (it was a one on one fight). Beating up a pedo should be an Olympic sport if you ask me.

People did a good job of it in philadelphia this time last year. some older dude raped i think a 13 year old girl couple hours later hes walking around philly in a beater stained in the little girls blood and the guy matched the discription of the dude who did it... they beat the ever lovin sh*t out of this dude... no one arrested but the guy who got beaten up.

The problem isnt beating the pedos....its getting caught doing it !!

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: The problem isnt beating the pedos....its getting caught doing it !!

Gas station probably wasn't the best idea.

First you dont talk about it, you just do it. You shouldnt have to think about it or plan it out.

Even better than beating them yourself:

Figure out a way to get them sent to prison.. You know what happens to pedo's in prison? I guarantee you they will get their just desserts..


Make sure there is always a police report filed, and if they're dragging their feet on the investigation, get the local news media involved. I don't know of any local station or paper that wouldn't want to expose a child predator..

Just don't be the guy that ends up in jail, while the evil b**tard goes free.

Pedo rumors have gotten innocent men beaten to death in the street.
The Rule of Law, men must always be lead by The Rule of Law.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: I already know the answer, but it should be. I knew this guy (he used to be a friend). He is 22 and tried to have sex with my good friends brother (he is 13). The lowest of the low is trying to do some disgusting stunt like that. Needless to say the got a good beating in a parking lot last night. All my friends went to jail. I didnt do anything or have any part of it because I know the kid is a little girl and would call the cops. He did.... My friends brothers mom filed a report and the cops didnt arrest the 22 year old for god knows what reasons. The kid who just got beat up is now saying he was jumped by a bunch of different people to get them thrown in jail (it was a one on one fight). Beating up a pedo should be an Olympic sport if you ask me.

After hes tried and found guilty.

Even then you run the risk of him actually being innocent, mistakes do happen, but either way there should be no retaliation until hes had a chance to defend himself in court at least. going after someone simply for suspicion or accusation alone is not right.

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There was an older gentleman, here in Florida, that was beaten to death by a neighbor recently. This was all because the neighbor had heard a rumor that this person was a pedo. Now the neighbor and his accomplices are facing murder charges and it turns out the rumor was false.
The law does not allow us to be judge and jury. No matter how much one might feel justified, If one beats up a pedo they will face charges if caught, as this is illegal in the eyes of the law. We all should remember that everyone is innocent until they are found guilty by a jury of their peers.
It is better to help get them convicted, their jailmates will take care of them once they find out why they are in there.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: I already know the answer, but it should be.

You should be able to do any thing you want to your molester from that time forward.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Pedo rumors have gotten innocent men beaten to death in the street. The Rule of Law, men must always be lead by The Rule of Law.

best way is to glue thumbtacks to the a baseball bat and wear ski mask... beat the **** out of that ****er.

Its not against the law... unless they catch you... if the cops knew he was a pedo... they would have taken there time.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Pedo rumors have gotten innocent men beaten to death in the street. The Rule of Law, men must always be lead by The Rule of Law.

I have to agree there. Mob justice or vigilantism is not a good route to go. If you know for sure that he did it, then turn him in to the cops. If you are not sure, then you may be beating up an innocent guy.

On the other side of the coin, our justice system stinks. It is set up to greatly favor the perp. It is typical for the slime bags to get away with many crimes before they are brought to justice. If the system fails and they get away with it, then sometimes "street" justice is the only justice you will ever get. Just be smart about it.

So much to say... The forum already knows my stance on pet-a-childs.

A little coke and a handgun thrown under the seat of said pedo.... A mysterious call to the police from a payphone... Removal from society for 15 + years... Not saying anything. Just saying...

quote Originally posted by aaronkoch: Figure out a way to get them sent to prison.. You know what happens to pedo's in prison? I guarantee you they will get their just desserts..

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Pedo rumors have gotten innocent men beaten to death in the street. The Rule of Law, men must always be lead by The Rule of Law.

Yes, try and leave punishment up to the law, yes it can be difficult.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: So much to say... The forum already knows my stance on pet-a-childs. A little coke and a handgun thrown under the seat of said pedo.... A mysterious call to the police from a payphone... Removal from society for 15 + years... Not saying anything. Just saying...

There is a difference between a suspected pedo and a convicted pedo ( or any other crime really ). Setting up a *suspect* makes you no better then what you are against, and in a way it makes you worse.

Now, once there is a conviction, then 'street justice' can be applied if needed.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: There is a difference between a suspected pedo and a convicted pedo ( or any other crime really ). Setting up a *suspect* makes you no better then what you are against, and in a way it makes you worse. Now, once there is a conviction, then 'street justice' can be applied if needed.

Well stated.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: There is a difference between a suspected pedo and a convicted pedo ( or any other crime really ). Setting up a *suspect* makes you no better then what you are against, and in a way it makes you worse. Now, once there is a conviction, then 'street justice' can be applied if needed.

Would you feel the same if the pedo got off on a technicality? What if they got away with it because the cops screwed up the investigation?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Would you feel the same if the pedo got off on a technicality? What if they got away with it because the cops screwed up the investigation?

The system is not perfect, but it is the best we got for now, and we must abide by it.
Evil lives in darkness, and good must be the light in that darkness.

When you dance with the devil, it's not the devil that changes....................

I have a good friend that marred a women with 2 girls then they had a 3rd. When the oldest turned 14 she accused him of molesting her.
Because she didn't get her way and wanted to do things a 14 year old should not be doing.
His wife at the time believed her. Things really gone bad for him. Lost job, lost house. they lost just about everything. About drove him
crazy. + It put him on the list.
When she finally said it was all a lie it was to late.. But it was not before she stole 20,000$ from her mother. And tried to blame it on
her sis.
Now she is 18 and spending the next 8 years in jail. To short of time I thinks.

Well, its not a rumor. It is 100% true of what he did. He has always been "off in the head" and he has done some weird stuff in the past.

If somebody is convicted and they go to prison, you know they will get what they deserve once someone finds out... However, until that point, no definitive judgements should be made.

Here's a question - what's your definition of a pedo? Do you follow the "lawbook definition" or have your own? I ask because, technically, a guy who is 18 can get thrown in for statutory (even though the relationship was totally consensual) because *she* was a few months younger and, thus, technically underage... Your thoughts?

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quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: If somebody is convicted and they go to prison, you know they will get what they deserve once someone finds out... However, until that point, no definitive judgements should be made. Here's a question - what's your definition of a pedo? Do you follow the "lawbook definition" or have your own? I ask because, technically, a guy who is 18 can get thrown in for statutory (even though the relationship was totally consensual) because *she* was a few months younger and, thus, technically underage... Your thoughts?

I don't know why everyone is talking in hypotheticals. The perp is 22 and the victim is 13. Does that fit your definition of a pedophile?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: I don't know why everyone is talking in hypotheticals. The perp is 22 and the victim is 13. Does that fit your definition of a pedophile?

In this instance, yes - no doubts there.... But my previous question remains as stated.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Pedo rumors have gotten innocent men beaten to death in the street. The Rule of Law, men must always be lead by The Rule of Law.

Thank you for that, Boonie. Be wary for yourself, though, for there are always those who would rather shoot the messenger, e.g.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/075749.html

Conversely:

quote Originally posted by User00013170: There is a difference between a suspected pedo and a convicted pedo ( or any other crime really ). Setting up a *suspect* makes you no better then what you are against, and in a way it makes you worse. Now, once there is a conviction, then 'street justice' can be applied if needed.

Such an absurd position could only be "justified" if it were somehow guaranteed that no innocent was ever wrongfully convicted, and that no one who was guilty was ever incorrectly acquitted. Because we have not yet reached that utopia, those of you (most especially those in this thread) who wish to justify your desire to sate your bloodlust must find other avenues through which to direct your anger. Have you considered lacrosse?

quote Originally posted by Shyster: ......those of you (most especially those in this thread) who wish to justify your desire to sate your bloodlust must find other avenues through which to direct your anger. Have you considered lacrosse?

Am I taking this the wrong way? ....or are you seriously criticizing people who have emotions / hostility towards pedophiles?

quote Originally posted by Shyster: Such an absurd position could only be "justified" if it were somehow guaranteed that no innocent was ever wrongfully convicted, and that no one who was guilty was ever incorrectly acquitted. Because we have not yet reached that utopia, those of you (most especially those in this thread) who wish to justify your desire to sate your bloodlust must find other avenues through which to direct your anger. Have you considered lacrosse?

Then i take it you are against the death penalty too. Or even incarceration and fines, if you carry your thought out to its logical conclusion. The reality is that *no* system is perfect, and accidents will happen. Its part of the price you pay to be part of a civilized society. Also, if you noticed i was one of those that was calling to follow the system first, and not make rash actions solely based on suspicion. So accusing me of "bloodlust" isn't really fair.

quote Originally posted by Shyster: Have you considered lacrosse?

I bet you could beat the snot out of someone with one of those sticks.

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quote Originally posted by The MaD cOw: Am I taking this the wrong way? ....or are you seriously criticizing people who have emotions / hostility towards pedophiles?

The way i took it is that no one should be penalized for anything since there is always a chance they didn't do it. Not just pedos, but any crime.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Also, if you noticed i was one of those that was calling to follow the system first, and not make rash actions solely based on suspicion. So accusing me of "bloodlust" isn't really fair.

I realize you are for The Rule Of Law...

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Now, once there is a conviction, then 'street justice' can be applied if needed.

...But I was a little thrown by your abandonment of it once a conviction had been reached.
As I think Shyster was.

quote Originally posted by The MaD cOw: ... are you seriously criticizing people who have emotions / hostility towards pedophiles?

While he can certainly speak for himself, I think Shyster was just counseling people against acting on those emotions and suggesting that we find an alternative outlet for our aggressive impulses. People don't get sent to jail for their emotions. They can and do, however, get sent to jail for anti-social behavior while acting out those emotions.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: ...But I was a little thrown by your abandonment of it once a conviction had been reached. As I think Shyster was.

I know i'm a bit confusing and inconsistent, but I was meaning if punishment wasn't justly served by the courts after the conviction. Give the system a chance to do what is right, but if it does fail, the people have no choice but to act. But that doesn't mean vigilante judgments/sentences. If hes shown as not guilty then he walks, regardless of what people may feel.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: While he can certainly speak for himself, I think Shyster was just counseling people against acting on those emotions and suggesting that we find an alternative outlet for our aggressive impulses. People don't get sent to jail for their emotions. They can and do, however, get sent to jail for anti-social behavior while acting out those emotions.

Ya... not sure how he meant that. Just seemed a little sarcastic to me. Either way... most of us speak out of emotion when we hear stories like this, but still have the common sense and self control to not act out on it because of the consequences. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective)... the same legal system is in place for those that take the law into their own hands (granted, the system isnt perfect).
I'm not so sure "taking up lacrosse" is going to set your mind at ease when someone you are close to has been victimized. Right or wrong, I can fully understand why someone would take matters into their own hands.

A fitting punishment for these types is easy.....

Sit them in a chair, chain them in at the ankles and one arm...and give them a razor knife........

While ya fire up an acetylene torch.

Choice is simple--cut it off yerself, or it gets burned off.....

30 seconds to decide yer choice.

<edit to say one of these broke my cherry when I was 4 years old.....if they want mercy, they can go to a hospital of that name, and if they want forgiveness, they can talk to whatever god they believe in............far as I am concerned if ya diddle a kid, you have forefieted all legal rights and are no longer human.>

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quote Originally posted by The MaD cOw: Am I taking this the wrong way? ....or are you seriously criticizing people who have emotions / hostility towards pedophiles?

[Out of respect for MaD cOw, I just deleted one of the best (if, perhaps, the most obvious) double-entendre's I've ever come up with. I hope he appreciates my doing so. ]

In serious response to your question, I do seriously criticize those who are willing to visit uncontrolled violence upon "presumed" pedophiles. The fact that someone has been convicted of pedophilia does not necessarily make that person a pedophile.

Among other things, I do appellate law. I've read too many transcripts, and thus have thus seen too many state's attorneys run roughshod over incompetent appointed "defense" counsel, neither of which had any understanding of the rules of evidence. The state gets away with it, because the defense has many, many hoops to jump through, at least in Texas. Most of the appointed defense attorneys don't know when, or how, to jump. Or how to properly object, at the right time. They've been conditioned to make deals, not to actually try cases.

Their failures do not make their clients pedophiles. Are some of those defendants guilty? Most likely. Are most of them? Probably.

Are there separated or divorced fathers out there who have been wrongfully accused (and convicted) of "fondling" their children? You bet'cha.

Does any of the above give any of you the right to deliver violence to those of them who may be wrongfully accused, even if "convicted"?

No. Period. End of Story.

I don't care what anyone's "emotions / hostility" (free translation: "fear") toward (presumed) pedophiles is or are. If you're so scared by something that you want someone else to kill it for you, well fine. Say so. If you wish to execute any sentence upon another based on your emotions, then you are free to do so to the extent that others accede to your emotional state. If you wish to execute any sentence upon another based on your hostility, then you are free to do so to the extent that others accede to your hostile state. This is the rule of brute force.

Conversely, if you wish to pronounce sentence based on Reason, well, then, you must accept Reason, and it becomes not so simple as a club to the head and a scream to the everlasting night.

quote Originally posted by Shyster: I do seriously criticize those who are willing to visit uncontrolled violence upon "presumed" pedophiles.

Shyster, perhaps were are still seeing reverberations from this thread, in which an immature and criminally narcissistic 20 year old PFFer brazenly admitted fondling a 12 year old girl. Shockingly ... about 1/3 of the responses defended him to one degree or another, citing as justification "it could have been me" ... or perhaps more accurately, "I got away with it so it must be OK." Maybe another 1/3 of the responses advocated immediate "uncontrolled violence" against him and celebrated the prospect of him being sodomized or murdered in prison. I was disgusted by both groups. He was convicted in November, 2009 and is currently serving two concurrent 10 year sentences in the Iowa state prison system.

To address the original question: Either you choose to live by the rule of law or you don't; there's no half way about it.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Shyster, perhaps were are still seeing reverberations from this thread, in which a criminally narcissistic 19 year old PFFer brazenly admitted fondling a 12 year old girl. About 1/3 of the responses defended him, citing as justification "it could have been me" ... or perhaps more accurately, "I got away with it once so it must be OK." Maybe another 1/3 of the responses celebrated the prospect of him being sodomized or murdered in prison. I was disgusted by both groups. He was convicted last November and is currently serving two concurrent 10 year sentences in the Iowa state prison system.

Wow. That was one of those theads that I think I just skipped over. I don't read very many personal drama posts. I see I missed out on a lot now.

just for some insight:
the age of consent when the nation was formed was 10

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: just for some insight: the age of consent when the nation was formed was 10

You love pointing that out. Those were different times and getting married at age 12 or 13 was common.

Try passing that into law today and see what happens.