I was pondering the "Would Jesus have carried a gun?" question that is sometimes asked by anti-gun advocates and others. This is my thoughts:
As we recall Jesus upon the advent of his crucifixion asked of God "Why have you forsaken me?". His surprise voiced in his question would indicate, that, to that point, he thought that God would protect him from mortal death. Had he not believed that, and an AK47 was available, I think he would have very likely have carried one. If he believed he was in mortal danger, which history proves he was, and understood that, yet refused to defend himself, I think God would have been disappointed in the irresponsible method by which he carried and spread His Word. It was seem reasonable, since in the geographical area in which Jesus was born, the AK is the generally accepted carry weapon for the average Ahmed the Plumber, that Jesus would choose one to protect the vessel of the Word from the many individuals at the time who wished Jesus dead, for one reason or another.
This is just mental masturbation of course, since Jesus thought he was protected by God and guns were not available.

More importantly, would he have aimed his pistol gangsta style?

To be honest I don't really care if he would have or not I'm not trying to be 'Jesus'. I'm not saying I commit sins and kill people either, but I don't want to be crucified by other sinners so I need to protect myself. I'm not sacrificing myself because Jesus may have.

in detroit he would need to.

Body armor would also be helpful, and a large armed posse.

quote Originally posted by jerry455: in detroit he would need to.

quote Originally posted by Cadillac Jack: As we recall Jesus upon the advent of his crucifixion asked of God "Why have you forsaken me?". His surprise voiced in his question would indicate, that, to that point, he thought that God would protect him from mortal death.

No, becouse after he was baptized, and he went on his "walkabout" in trhe desert and climbed up the mountain and fasted, he ment that old man (the devil) in the cave who tried to get him to break his fast & eat, ("man does not live by bread alone") and told him if he paid homage to him all the land spread out below them could be his ("worship only the one true god".

The old man also then told Jesus something like, "It is said that you are so protected that angels will lift you up so you won't even stub your toe on a stone. If you are who you say you are, and so protected, then throw yourself from this high place onto the stones below & prove it."
And Jesus said something like, "Thy shall not temp thy Lord God."

So that would mean that he knew that he could die in his mortal state.
I'm not sure he was aware of any other (immortal) state, untill later.

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quote Originally posted by InTheLead: To be honest I don't really care if he would have or not I'm not trying to be 'Jesus'. I'm not saying I commit sins and kill people either, but I don't want to be crucified by other sinners so I need to protect myself. I'm not sacrificing myself because Jesus may have.

Jesus' sacrifice is the backbone of the Christain religion regarding forgiveness of sins.

If he chose no to do this, I think christainity wouldn't exist.

Topic: 'would Jesus have carried a gun '

No.

He didn't carry a sword, or knife, or crossbow. He didn't need them. He understood his role in what must happen and recognized it as God's will. Until the time he was placed on the cross, he had God's protection and knew that he could come to no harm.

John Stricker

You didn't post the ending to that bible study:
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.” (Matthew 4:1-11 AV)
At that very moment Jesus was reenforced as being protected by the shear presense of these angels. So this might be the moment he actually began to believe what others were already saying.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: No, becouse after he was baptized, and he went on his "walkabout" in trhe desert and climbed up the mountain and fasted, he ment that old man (the devil) in the cave who tried to get him to break his fast & eat, ("man does not live by bread alone") and told him if he paid homage to him all the land spread out below them could be his ("worship only the one true god". The old man also then told Jesus something like, "It is said that you are so protected that angels will lift you up so you won't even stub your toe on a stone. If you are who you say you are, and so protected, then throw yourself from this high place onto the stones below & prove it." And Jesus said something like, "Thy shall not temp thy Lord God." So that would mean that he knew that he could die in his mortal state. I'm not sure he was aware of any other (immortal) state, untill later.

I give you credit for thinking this through, Boonie, but your conclusions are wrong because you haven't gone far enough.

Jesus knew he was the Messiah. He knew his role in the salvation of man. He didn't have to prove anything to the devil and refused to be tempted by him. He didn't need any protection other than that provided by his father until the time came for him to become the sacrificial lamb. Even then, had he asked, it's my belief that God would have delivered him from the cross as his only son thereby condemning all of mankind to a lack of salvation. Remember, on the cross, as he cried out "why have you forsaken me?" to God, he did NOT ask to be delivered from the cross. He did ask that the cup be taken from him IF IT WAS HIS FATHER'S WILL.

It's important to remember that he died on the cross not just at the hand of the Jews and Romans, but he did so WILLINGLY to save us, God's children.

Keep reading, though. I can tell by what you wrote that you didn't just give a flip answer and that tells me that you're really interested. Seek and you shall find.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: No, becouse after he was baptized, and he went on his "walkabout" in trhe desert and climbed up the mountain and fasted, he ment that old man (the devil) in the cave who tried to get him to break his fast & eat, ("man does not live by bread alone") and told him if he paid homage to him all the land spread out below them could be his ("worship only the one true god". The old man also then told Jesus something like, "It is said that you are so protected that angels will lift you up so you won't even stub your toe on a stone. If you are who you say you are, and so protected, then throw yourself from this high place onto the stones below & prove it." And Jesus said something like, "Thy shall not temp thy Lord God." So that would mean that he knew that he could die in his mortal state. I'm not sure he was aware of any other (immortal) state, untill later.

So the concept, to be clear, is that he didn't need a gun, because he believed God would protect him.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Topic: 'would Jesus have carried a gun ' No. He didn't carry a sword, or knife, or crossbow. He didn't need them. He understood his role in what must happen and recognized it as God's will. Until the time he was placed on the cross, he had God's protection and knew that he could come to no harm. John Stricker

quote Originally posted by jstricker: I give you credit for thinking this through, Boonie, but your conclusions are wrong because you haven't gone far enough. Keep reading, though. Seek and you shall find. John Stricker

Fair enough.

Well, he did say:

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.






But, be careful--I don't remember scripture saying:

Accept Jesus and win a Playstation 3.


But, when He and his Angels return leading God's Army, he's gonna be packin big time!

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Exactly. He knew, because he was the son of God, what would happen. There was no need.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Cadillac Jack: So the concept, to be clear, is that he didn't need a gun, because he believed God would protect him.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Well, he did say: Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

I don't recall reading that quote. Do you have a verse reference?

BTW I agree, he didn't wear a sword and therefore would not have worn a gun.

Arn

Would Jesus have carried a gun? WJHAC?

No, but neither would I if I were immortal. Since Im not...

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: I don't recall reading that quote. Do you have a verse reference? BTW I agree, he didn't wear a sword and therefore would not have worn a gun. Arn

Luke 22:36 I believe

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Luke 22:36 I believe

You are correct. Here is one opinion of its meaning

Jesus? He wouldn't need a gun. He just points at people and says "bang" and they fall over dead :P

Wait... How much power did he actually have? He could raise the dead, change water to wine, multiply fish (and probably other food items). Could he create firearms out of thin air? Or use a 'finger-gun'? Could he do the jedi mind trick on the weak minded? Control the minds of animals (sic them, locusts!!!)

Don't think Jesus was the sort who would *pack heat*. His heart was full of the warmth of God's love, afterall.

Glad my Dad didn't love me as much as Jesus's did ...worst he ever did was make me crawl through a window to open up the locked front door...

Why did he doubt his dad, andyway? He didn't know the deal? It's bad enough we lowly humans don't know God's plan, but he didn't let his son in on it?

Sorry, this thread isn't supposed to be serious. It's about Jesus and guns...

Mine carries a gun. He also has big angel wings and sing lead vocals for lynyrd skynyrd.

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One of America's WWI heroes, Alvin York, dealt with the issue of a religious man fighting.

Sergeant Alvin York

From his diary:

quote NOVEMBER 17, 1917 Camp Gordon: I was placed in the 21st training battalion, and there I was called out the first morning of my army life to police up in the yard all the old cigarette butts, and I thought that was pretty hard, as I didn't smoke. But I did it just the same. I had never traveled much before going to camp. I had never been out of the mountains before, and I'm telling you I missed them right smart down there in that flat, sandy country. And my little old mother and Pastor Pile wanted to get me out. Pastor Pile put in a plea to the government that it was against the religion of our church to fight; and that he wanted to get me out on these grounds. And he sent his papers up the War Department, and then filled them out and sent them to me at the camp and asked me to sign them. They told me all I had to do was to sign them. And I refused to sign them, as I couldn't see it the way Pastor Pile did. My mother, too, put in a plea to get me out as her sole support. My father was dead and I was keeping my mother and brothers and sisters. And the papers were fixed up and sent to Camp Gordon and I was asked to sign them. But I didn't sign them.I knew I had plenty of brothers back there that could look after my mother, that I was not the sole support, and I didn't feel I ought to do it. And so I never asked for exemption from service on any grounds at all. I never was a conscientious objector. I am not today. I didn't want to go and fight and kill. But I had to answer the call of my country, and I did. And I believed it was right. I have got no hatred toward the Germans and I never had.

Jesus didn't come to setup or destroy governments. He came to show us how to live within God's will, and to redeem us from our sins that we might be restored to Him. The battle He was involved in was a 'spiritual' battle. A weapon would have been of no use nor was it needed.

His teaching showed us how to live, as believers, when that teaching is rejected.

When He returns, it WILL be for the purpose of destroying government and setting up His kingdom. It will be a different story then.

would he carry a gun
no.

Did he believe in protecting one self.
yes
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Luke 22:36

Did God ever 'talk' w/ Jesus? In all seriousness, Is there any line in any modern version of the bible where it says something like " And God said to Jesus,"*message here*"'?

I recall Jesus speaking often about God, but I don't recall them actually. Having a conversation (maybe because no one was there to witness it, so it wasn't written down?)

Since we have mixed absurdity and seriousness, consider:

Revelation 19

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Notice that the army that comes with Him is arrayed in white. Why? Because they won't be doing any fighting. The sharp sword which goes out of His mouth is His Word, which is truth. That Word will defeat the army which comes against Him; they will be destroyed by that Truth. Jesus never needed a physical weapon.

A quick Google search yields several interesting interpretations of Jesus with guns. Enjoy

A gun? Why would the Son of the living God who created the entire universe out of only his words need so puny a weapon? The "sharp sword" referred to in revelation is the word of God, as in genesis (no, not the band) "In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS God." He didn't believe GOd would protect him, He WAS God, and protected himself. And the crucifixion did not kill him. In the end, He GAVE UP his spirit, to complete his work.

So why did he say "Father, why have you forsaken Me?" Because at the moment of his death, he took upon himself all the sins of the world. And His Father could not look upon sin. So Jesus was separated from God, and felt forsaken.

When he called His apostles, he told them they did not need weapons. He was all the protection they'd need. After he was gone, He reappeared to them, and told them to get swords, because He was no longer there to protect them.

So, Jesus wouldn't have carried a gun. But He would want His apostles to have them. He knows it's a dangerous world, His enemies make it so.

Returning to your regularly scheduled absurdity...
I bought my 23 year old son "Jesus Hates Zombies" for Christmas. It's EXCELLENT!

He didn't carry weapons of His time. I see no reason to think He would carry the weapons of today.

Jesus did not because he was divine and had no need for weapons. His tongue was his sword which spread the Word of God.

His apostles carried swords and if they were here today would have carried guns.

I seem to recall that just before the Romans come for Him in the Garden of Gethsemane he asks "Do you have any swords?" to his disciples, and Peter jumps up and says "We have two!" (I gt the impression Peter had both of them) and Jesus says to put them away. Peter lops off somebodies ear anyway (Oh, that impulsive Peter) and Jesus fixes it on his way out as he has been arrested.


So, if he didn't carry swords then, he wouldn't carry a gun now.

In Texas he would.


Kathy Morningside: Of course he had a gun. This is Texas! Everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!

Sorry I just couldn’t help it.

Carry on.

Steve

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If there's a Messiah union, he'd have to carry a gun.
Just don't try to cross the picket line when he's on strike.

..Jesus is a strategist,,a decision maker with a broad plan,,known to all.. Operatives carry Guns & carry out the missions assigned to them ..normally a powerfull Strategist has no need for a smoke pole,,especially if his followers and operatives are loyal to the death..
Have you heard JESUS IS COMMING and boy is he pissed ?? this does not covey the true feeling of disapointment at the failure of mans choice & free will ,,YOUR burnt TOAST and its gonna really hurt..
I have known great crushing pain,and lived ,I can not imagine what is comming??
the CIA ,,,Christian Intelligence Agency has spies every where and ZERO . zero sympathy

they know what you were thinking when that much to young girl bent over to restrap her shoe..
I have traveled the dark evil side, they did not have cookies..

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quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Jesus did not because he was divine and had no need for weapons.

Right. And we're not. Therefore, we carry guns. Case closed.

I remember seeing a cartoon once that said "Jesus is back and this time he's packing heat". I tried to look for it but couldn't find it. It was pretty cool looking but totally out of character for Jesus.

quote Originally posted by USFiero: I seem to recall that just before the Romans come for Him in the Garden of Gethsemane he asks "Do you have any swords?" to his disciples, and Peter jumps up and says "We have two!" (I gt the impression Peter had both of them) and Jesus says to put them away. Peter lops off somebodies ear anyway (Oh, that impulsive Peter) and Jesus fixes it on his way out as he has been arrested. So, if he didn't carry swords then, he wouldn't carry a gun now.

Agreed. Scripture reference below:

Luke 22:47-54

[47] While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, [48] but Jesus asked him, "Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?"

[49] When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" [50] And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

[51] But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.

[52] Then Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard, and the elders, who had come for him, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come with swords and clubs? [53] Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour -- when darkness reigns."

[54] Then seizing him, they led him away and took him into the house of the high priest.

Afterward, Jesus uttered the following to his captors:

Matthew 26:53

"Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"


Jesus knew who he was. He knew his destiny, and spoke of it beforehand several times. He needed no earthly weapons, because he knew the future and the will of his father.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: He didn't carry weapons of His time. I see no reason to think He would carry the weapons of today.

How do you know for sure that he wasn't a concealed carry type of person?

He was a carpenter. He was packing a hammer.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: How do you know for sure that he wasn't a concealed carry type of person?

I have faith.

if the world Jesus walked thru required it - he certainly would have.
just as Jesus wore clothes to hide, in shame, the body the lord (himself) created
"when in Rome" style
you must remember we was in disguise as a common human, and if common humans carried guns, he would have as well.