More republican values

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POL...in/index.html?hpt=T2

American hero.
You would rather not know about ACORN's corruption ?

I'd call him a whistleblower, but not a hero.

That word is too often abused for effect.

I think this is funny... the pot calling the kettle black (related to ACORN)....

"Louisiana families are shocked and outraged that these men would break the law to carry out their political agenda..." - Louisiana Democratic Party Chair Michael McHale


Too bad about this, but their work on the ACORN corruption was perfect!

That is too bad. They screwed up bad. Now they are going to pay the price. There is no excuse no matter what your political beliefs for trying to bug someone's phone system.

quote Originally posted by GS Jon: I'd call him a whistleblower, but not a hero. That word is too often abused for effect.

No, a whistleblower is an inside man. I do hear you with the loose use of the word hero but, ... I do think it fits to a degree.

All he did was tape a few morons working in the inner city for ACORN. It's not like ACORN was systematically helping pimps. That whole thing was absurd. The guy's just looking for attention, whistle-blower my @ss. You could do something like that just about anywhere, go dress up as a "survivalist" and go into a local fish and tackle or gun store and see if you can start up a candid conversation on @ssassinat!ng a politician or starting an underground militia with "plans". That's what that idiot did, he went into a seedy neighborhood and tried to be as outrageous as possible while ACORN staff gave him advice. Whoopdee friggin doo! What a hero. Pull that crap in a federal building, and now he'll be charged as a felon and can't vote. Score one for the team.

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quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: That is too bad. They screwed up bad. Now they are going to pay the price. There is no excuse no matter what your political beliefs for trying to bug someone's phone system.

well, actually - there are many valid reasons - but - none applied here

I don't think it is comparable what these men did and what ACORN did. ACORN's corruption was systemic. This was a single incident of a crime.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: No, a whistleblower is an inside man. I do hear you with the loose use of the word hero but, ... I do think it fits to a degree.

Meh, the Gov't represents us, and is comprised of citizens so he is an "inside man"

But you're right, I've no right to qualify who is and isn't a hero to others as that's an individually set criteria. My criteria may be higher than yours as to who's called a "hero", but it doesn't mean he isn't to some others. My bad.

A whistleblower, I think, also qualifies as a hero. Now we have laws to protect them. Not always effective but they do take risks.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: I don't think it is comparable what these men did and what ACORN did. ACORN's corruption was systemic. This was a single incident of a crime.

How was it systematic? He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

It's a dirty job, but somebody had to do it.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: All he did was tape a few morons working in the inner city for ACORN. It's not like ACORN was systematically helping pimps.

C'mon, you are supposed to dilute the Kool Aide with water. ACORN got caught in multiple inner cities. Everything about ACORN stinks. From the Medusa of cash flow, to the offices that contained conflicting entities, to the corruption of which ACORN's own national manager asked that the books be opened. She was fired.

What this guy did, no matter his intentions in this case, was illegal and thus wrong. I wouldn't call him a hero for this. I would even bet Doallars to Donuts that the original poster doesn't believe that this person is a hero. He just used that word to rile people up. The article he linked to does not call him a hero.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: . . . It's not like ACORN was systematically helping pimps. . .

Yet there is no spot on that tape where anyone says, " You are asking for advice to engage in illegal and immoral activity. We cannot and will not help you." That says all I need to know. ACORN is systematically engaging in fraud, and that ought to be wrong, but you lefties just don't see it that way, do you? Don't try to tell us you have any standards when you won't stand up for basic honesty.

As for this action, it also is wrong. None of these men are heros, Republican or otherwise.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

No, ACORN found some more worthy criminals who could recognize a set up in other cities.

No Hero huh!
http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/201001260008

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: No Hero huh!

Alleged felon.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: What this guy did, no matter his intentions in this case, was illegal and thus wrong. I wouldn't call him a hero for this.

I have to agree with this. His intentions may have been good but, his actions were illegal.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Ron

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: How was it systematic? He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

Are you an ACORN supporter? I only ask because I can't recall you ever mentioning ACORN before we heard about them during the Obama campaign. Have you always been a supporter, or are you just defending any group that a Republican might find fault with?

I never even heard of ACORN before the campaign and nothing I've seen or heard suggests they are anything more than a thinly disguised mob. Must like the Teamsters earned a reputation for strong arm and mob tactics to get what they want, ACORN seems to use it's national organization much the same way.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And sometimes you have to go through hell to get good results.
Not justifying his alleged actions and I admit, it don't look pretty.

If ACORN is so pure and clean why is congress cutting off their funding? The guy did good by exposing ACORN what he did now is not so good.

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In the case of Acorn, he was justified to do whatever he wanted.

In this most recent case, he was breaking the law... falsifying identity and entering under false pretenses.


I really praise the guy for what he did with Acorn, but what he did in this case was illegal.

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: .... what he did in this case was illegal.

Allegedly did.
I can't believe that he did not have some kind of legal advice before he did what ever he did. One of the alleged co-conspiritors dad is a federal prosecutor for a district located in New Orleans.

Unless he was planning on leaking it to another country I dunno...not the right way to do things but...
Things are this bad? They are keeping so many secrets from eachother they need to bug offices to find truth?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Allegedly did. I can't believe that he did not have some kind of legal advice before he did what ever he did. One of the alleged co-conspiritors dad is a federal prosecutor for a district located in New Orleans.

My understanding is they allegedly confessed.

Righteous indignation from the left for an attempt to plant a bug, but lock step support for some one who lies to a federal grand jury. Pleaaase.

This guy seams to have broken the law, he should be punished.

I think this is as much Republican Values as a terrorist represents the average Muslim values.

I praised him for his work in Exposing Acorn, however wiretapping is not cool, or legal. It was a very stupid thing to do, and I wouldn't support it being done to anyone.

I would say the wiretapping in no way echos the traditional, or average values of the Republican Party. Yes I know Bush was all for it, I didn't agree with that either.

That said, why did they go into the main offices to "tap" the phones? it's a friggin switchboard system, I am sure they are smart enough to be able to "tap" the lines somewhere else.

Did they want to get caught?

Brad

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: How was it systematic? He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

I watched that video and came the same conclusion. Republicans couldn't help but pee all over themselves when that broke. Anyone seen fierobear or loafer87gt?

Now that these guys are up for a felony I'm suprised they haven't dropped in to write their names on the wall.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: How was it systematic? He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

So many here seem to "overlook" that little fact.

Too bad, but yeah--they screwed the pooch as far as ever again being seen as relevant--not to mention going to prison if convicted.
Break the law--do the time. A crook is a crook is a crook.

Now, about those fraudulent voter names ACORN signed up--how many years did those workers get in the slammer?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: That is too bad. They screwed up bad. Now they are going to pay the price. There is no excuse no matter what your political beliefs for trying to bug someone's phone system.

Yup.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Too bad, but yeah--they screwed the pooch as far as ever again being seen as relevant--not to mention going to prison if convicted. Break the law--do the time. A crook is a crook is a crook. Now, about those fraudulent voter names ACORN signed up--how many years did those workers get in the slammer?

Do you know, and are you going to tell?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: How was it systematic? He went into a lot of ACORN sites and was told to leave, and he even had the cops called on him at one. He found a few retards in the slums and suddenly it's a whole system? Puhhlease!

I guess you must have missed the voter fraud from ACORN in multiple states

I remember how you lefties howled about stolen elections in 2000 and 2004. Not a peep when you win, even when your side is found GUILTY of voter fraud.

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See my previous post.

You really think this AG is going to file charges against ACORN? Congress declined to investigate and was satisfied when ACORN fired those who were involved with the fraudulent listings.

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So if this is summed up.

Liberal brings up lame trophy gloating of a Conservative breaking the law and pretty much all the conservatives say if he committed a crime he should get what he deserves.
Now as far as I can remember this seems to be the regular reaction from conservatives. Quite expected really.

When the tables are turned and they are more often than not I can't say liberals are anywhere near stand up about the situation. More like whiney ass excuse snout drivel little bitches.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: So if this is summed up. Liberal brings up lame trophy gloating of a Conservative breaking the law and pretty much all the conservatives say if he committed a crime he should get what he deserves. Now as far as I can remember this seems to be the regular reaction from conservatives. Quite expected really. When the tables are turned and they are more often than not I can't say liberals are anywhere near stand up about the situation. More like whiney ass excuse snout drivel little bitches.

So's your mother.
You have nothing interesting to say that I want to hear, so p*ss off. (same meaning, different expressions)

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