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Are you a voter? A FAMILY VALUES voter? by NEPTUNE
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You have been hosed AGAIN.
Remember Newt Gingrich?
Yes, PFFers, another God, Guns, and Family man "forgot" to keep his pants zipped.
THIS ONE was touted as a front runner in the 2012 Presidential race.
Your latest hypocrite is named Mark Sanford.
He is the Governor of South Carolina.
 
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Sanford Affair a Blow to GOP Values Brand
June 24, 2009 04:59 PM ET | Dan Gilgoff | Permanent Link | Print
By Dan Gilgoff, God & Country

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's admission today that he had an extramarital affair strikes another blow to the GOP's brand as the party of family values, particularly in a region of the country—the Deep South—that has become ever more critical to Republicans, who've lost ground recently in the Northeast and the West.

Outside South Carolina, "Sanford is most well known in states like North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, which are growing more competitive for Democrats," says Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster who worked for Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee during the 2008 campaign season. "This is devastating for the Republican Party in the very region where it has to make gains."

Fast on the heels of an admitted affair by Nevada Sen. John Ensign—another emblem of the GOP's values brand—Sanford's announcement also makes it harder for the national Republican Party to maintain credibility with the values voters who've been most loyal to it.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs...op-values-brand.html



Oh, yeah. John Ensign, another "Family values" hypocrite, was also busted this week with his pants down.
My parents church frowned on that sort of thing.
How do YOU feel about these creeps?

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That's okay. He's a dumbass. He's certainly not going to corner the market on it, though.

OTOH, many of the Dems don't stand for anything.
And prove it every day.
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Why... he's just like John Edwards!!! Or Bill Clinton!!! Well, not just like them. His infidelity is between him and his wife. Leaving the country without his staff supposedly knowing where he went, not checking with the embassy in Argentina... those are the things to get upset about.

At least it was a (presumed) adult woman.
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Wasn't he supposed to be out on a hike? At least he was with another woman and not a little boy.
They should fire his ass.

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Well, one thing seams to be evident, Men who seek power tend to be horndogs. OF COURSE I am not able to prove a universal negative but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Adultery knows no party lines, how each seam to handle it is interesting though.

Hey Nep, at least he wasn't an alleged queer.
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Report this Post06-24-2009 08:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroRumorClick Here to visit FieroRumor's HomePageSend a Private Message to FieroRumorDirect Link to This Post
REALLY wish we could separate personal and political lives...

Repulbican or Democrat...Who the Eff cares who ya boink, just do your effin job...!

They should have Political cards, like in baseball . Containing their stats, their causes, their voting record, etc...

There also should be a transparency in the whole "lobbying" system...yeah, THAT'LL happen...



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Originally posted by Red88FF:


Adultery knows no party lines, how each seam to handle it is interesting though.

Hey Nep, at least he wasn't an alleged queer.


Yeah, and it caused some confusion at republican news "Fox"
They thought he was a Democrate.

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Unlike a certain US President in the 1990s..... He admitted his infidelidity right away.

Try getting a Liberal to do that.

and the other plus for the Governor, He didn't use a Cuban Cigar in place of his third member.
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Worthless hack. Correction you are less than worthless. Your existence costs the rest of us.
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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Worthless hack. Correction you are less than worthless. Your existence costs the rest of us.


Are you speaking about Mark Stanford, John Ensign, Newt Gingrich, or me?
I'm not running for President.
I never claimed to be pure and saintly.
As has been pointed out time and time again, it isn't the deed so much as it is the HYPOCRISY that dooms these clowns.

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Originally posted by NEPTUNE:

I'm not running for President.



Thank God for small miracles.
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Originally posted by avengador1:

Wasn't he supposed to be out on a hike? At least he was with another woman and not a little boy.
They should fire his ass.



In a way he was on a hike. His wife told him to take one, two weeks ago.
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A shame. I watched this man at the local tea party on April 15th and shook his hand afterwards. I commended him for not accepting the stimulus money. I had hoped that he would be on the ballot in 2012.

It's a shame his moral compass was not guiding him in the right direction in his family life. I no longer support Mr. Sanford and will not vote for him for anything.


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Well. I guess-nope-wait. Perfect. Been dyin to try it.
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Originally posted by htexans1:

Unlike a certain US President in the 1990s..... He admitted his infidelidity right away.

Try getting a Liberal to do that.

and the other plus for the Governor, He didn't use a Cuban Cigar in place of his third member.


Are ya sure? Argentina may not have a ban on Cuban products.

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Originally posted by FieroRumor:

REALLY wish we could separate personal and political lives...



Ya mean like, he'd lie to his wife and sons but WOULDN'T lie to his constituants?

THAT is why personal lives and character are important to political lives.

He needs to resign, NOW! Try to get a Democrat to do that.
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Originally posted by Wolfhound:


In a way he was on a hike. His wife told him to take one, two weeks ago.


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Originally posted by Formula:


Thank God for small miracles.


Not so fast, my friend.
If I were president ( ) GM would have to bring back the Fiero before receiving a single dime of bailout money.
Oh, and they would have to kill the Escalade and phase out the other oversized vision blocking tall station wagons. They would replace them with.... station wagons, AKA long roof sedans.
And I'd have inappropriate relations with interns almost every day.
But I wouldn't lie about it.
I'm not ALL bad, now, am I?

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Well, I dunno Neptune--I didn't see anything in there about punishing them for the dang Aztec. Someone needs to be flayed for that one. Shulda been on top of your list.

And, where's the flyin car I've been promised since the 50s?
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Originally posted by htexans1:

Unlike a certain US President in the 1990s..... He admitted his infidelidity right away.


I think folks have learned from that one... you're gonna see folks admit to stuff when things start getting warm. A local SC news operation got this guys admission going.
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Originally posted by Red88FF:


Adultery knows no party lines


You can add corruption and hypocrisy to that.

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Originally posted by Wolfhound:


Yeah, and it caused some confusion at republican news "Fox"
They thought he was a Democrate.



Funny how that happens almost every time a politician gets in trouble. It's almost like they do it on purpose. Weird huh?
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He should have stuck to tax evasion, coercion, bribery, and fraud. That's change they believe in.
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does the GOP really value familys
or just love to talk about ''family values'' as a code word for ''christian values''
aka their own list of thou shall nots
health care for familys were is the GOP support for that
low income homes for familys were is the GOP SUPPORT for that
day care for working moms no GOP wants them to stay home
food stamps no thats welfare and we know the GOP stand on that

THE GOP LOVES TO TALK ABOUT FAMILY VALUES
but has no help for familys

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You ever notice that Republicans who have mistresses are actually bona fide mistresses, but Democrats have to pay prostitutes?

It says a lot about a person. Just means that Republican dudes are great guys that women are attractive to them. Democrats? Assholes that nobody wants to be with, so they resort to paying hookers for their trim.

Just saying.
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All things considered, I'd rather pay a prostitute. After all, I am an avowed capitalist. There ain't no percentage in having a mistress.
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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO:


Funny how that happens almost every time a politician gets in trouble. It's almost like they do it on purpose. Weird huh?


Yeah.
Funny.
(not funny)
Its only fair that the Republicans have their own TV network, and their own radio band (AM).
I just wish they would stay there and let the rest of us move on.

(Thanks for the new neg, whomever.)

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mistresses, cost alot more then prostitutes
prostitutes you pay to leave after sex
mistresses want an apt car clothing be taken out to dinner ect
never ending expences
they have headakes and PMS too just like wives

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Originally posted by ray b:

mistresses, cost alot more then prostitutes
prostitutes you pay to leave after sex
mistresses want an apt car clothing be taken out to dinner ect
never ending expences
they have headakes and PMS too just like wives



It's not about the cost bro. It's not about the cost.

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Originally posted by Wichita:


It's not about the cost bro. It's not about the cost.


You're right.
Its about the HYPOCRISY.
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You're right.
Its about the HYPOCRISY.


Well, you'd know.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE:


You're right.
Its about the HYPOCRISY.


Ya left off the "mean people suck" thing. /\ It just didn't have the same 'zing' without it.
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I don't really care if he had an affair or not. What does concern me, though, is now there are allegations that he took several trips to Argentina using taxpayers' money.

That's not okay.

Think about it - if your did that at the company you work for, you would get fired. Same should apply here.
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If they fired every politician that took a private trip on taxpayer's dime, the unemployment rate in this country would soar overnight.
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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:

What does concern me, though, is now there are allegations that he took several trips to Argentina using taxpayers' money.

That's not okay.

Think about it - if your did that at the company you work for, you would get fired. Same should apply here.



But, politicians take care of one another no matter what side of the aisle they're on. Then they shaft the little guys.......all of us. We will never be rid of such people simply because greed and abuse of power will always be apart of politics.

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Neptune I was hoping you were done trying to demonize along party lines. Is it somehow supposed to make people abandon morals?
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The Pontiac AZTEK, not azteC.... and we make fun of people who call it a Feairo, so lets get this right...

On the subject of the Gov. Personally, I don't really care what he does on his own time. At least he didn't do it in the taxpayer funded office. This is an issue between him and his family and yes he could have handled it better. Now, we can talk about Clinton. The problem was that this was in the office and Clinton LIED UNDER OATH... and he lied about all the other women he was with. Of course, then you have Hilary who should have left him many times over, but she was too power hungry to do so. I have no respect for either.

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Well, I dunno Neptune--I didn't see anything in there about punishing them for the dang Aztec. Someone needs to be flayed for that one. Shulda been on top of your list.

And, where's the flyin car I've been promised since the 50s?


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Originally posted by ktthecarguy:

I don't really care if he had an affair or not. What does concern me, though, is now there are allegations that he took several trips to Argentina using taxpayers' money.

That's not okay.

Think about it - if your did that at the company you work for, you would get fired. Same should apply here.


Yes, this governor should be fired. He lacks the integrity to be in office. He should resign or be impeached. Either way, his political career is over or it should be. Whether I approve or disapprove of his affair, he has shown he lacks integrity and good judgement. Those are two of the most important characteristics any leader should have. Two governors ago, KY had a governor that got caught having an affair. He was actually using his office to assist her in keeping inspectors away from her business or actually the business of her husband. Governor Paul Patton is scum, he did complete his term as governor, much to the shame of our political system. His party has a strangle hold on the Commonwealth of KY.

I recognize that as humans, we all have our vices and desires but, we make the decision to lie, cheat and betray, those decisions have consequences when caught, the SC Governor is now facing the consequences of his actions, I feel no sympathy for him, only his family. I say this knowing I am just as human as he is, I have temptations also but, I try to avoid them with all I am. If I fall, then I surely expect the result of that fall to be painful. That does not mean that my fight or my belief in integrity was wrong, just that I personally failed.

Ron

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I don't see the problem with crucifying this guy over this affair (and probable waste of taxpayers' time and money). I can see the appeal in taking on an Argentinan mistress, but then I'm not married and don't have kids. He is and he does. And he's a member of the Republican party, which claims to stand for some things.

I don't see the problem with a double standard either. Dem politicians don't claim to have any standards. They don't run on a platform of family values, integrity, honesty, etc. Thus they aren't being nearly as hypocritical when they're found to be cheating, lying, stealing, evading their taxes, taking bribes, etc. THEY NEVER CLAIMED TO BE ANY BETTER THAN THAT. So they should only be held to the standards of the law.

Even if society doesn't decide to punish him for this, the Republican party ought to run him out on a rail. If you claim to stand for better values, then you'd better be ready to hold your own people to a higher standard.


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Originally posted by FieroRumor:

REALLY wish we could separate personal and political lives...

Repulbican or Democrat...Who the Eff cares who ya boink, just do your effin job...!

They should have Political cards, like in baseball . Containing their stats, their causes, their voting record, etc...

There also should be a transparency in the whole "lobbying" system...yeah, THAT'LL happen...




I'm sorry, but character does matter. The saying 'Character is who you are and what you do when you think nobody is watching' is as valid as ever. The difference between (D) and (R) generally is that the (R) SAY that they have or represent moral character. That's why they should be hung out to dry when they mess up like this. The (D) side, well, they don't generally hold themselves up as having moral character. (Again, GENERALLY). I know that's a pretty broad brush to paint things, but that's my opinion.

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