Well, yet again I'll post it.

http://wcbstv.com/topstorie...ns.CIA.2.990864.html

This is, if anything, a pro-Obama, anti-Bush organization. And they are reporting that the OBAMA guy SAID they got meaningful information from the interrogation (torture in the Obama administration's mind).

So the question keeps coming up about whether it is even worth doing to help protect innocent. That question has apparently been ANSWERED.

So in my mind, I would focus on the moral issue because according to lefties, it creates valuable information.

Some of you intenionally or unintentionally missed my point.
I did not say beating a man to death is not torture.
I said I would probibly lose control of myself at the thought that someone had them, and end up killing the guy that could get them back.

But it would be out of rage & hate.
And it would be wrong.

And that is the key.
It would be WRONG.

Ofcoarse, it is all speculation, as we never really know what or who might or might not snap when put into unlikely situations.

OK, you last said this:

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Some of you intentionally or unintentionally missed my point. I did not say beating a man to death is not torture.

But in the post being discussed you said:

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But I think your question is, would I torture someone to get my family back. I have to say no. Not torture. I would, however, probibly beat him to death by accident, trying to get the information.

How do you reconcile that? Right wrong or indifferent, you've contradicted yourself there. Granted, I realize that "emotions" don't always make sense, but that's pretty inconsistent.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: How do you reconcile that? Right wrong or indifferent, you've contradicted yourself there. Granted, I realize that "emotions" don't always make sense, but that's pretty inconsistent.

Simple disconnect between the brain and the fingers! Sometimes thoughts don't look the same as you thought they would when you write or type them out. LOL

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quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: .... but that's pretty inconsistent.

No, it is not.
I am pretty sure this was checked politics. That would be a Flip Flop, .

quote Originally posted by cliffw: No, it is not. I am pretty sure this was checked politics. That would be a Flip Flop, .

LOL

First I'll tell you I am in the military, so you may have an idea of my state of mind. In regards to people hurting my family, I would drop them like a bad habit and make sure I kill them after i have used whatever I could to make them talk and save my family. To me being a part of the group that is doing this behavior, whether he has done it himself or just watched, makes him completely guilty of every crime the group committed. He has no rights in my book and unless he talks he will die a slow painful death but I promise a quick painless as possible death if he gives me what I want. He would die by my hand mainly because I have no faith in our justice system to prosecute him and punish him appropriately for the crime.
You can guess where I am going with terrorist and torture. They have even less rights. They wish to join an organization that brings death and terror, than lets give it to them but not until we have extracted all the info we can. These people are not in the wrong place at the wrong time.... at the mall. They are in the war zone creating havoc and killing innocent people or soldiers in ways that make them seem more like animals than humans. To me they have no useful purpose on this earth other than to die (once they have become a terrorist). Is there a gray area sure, deal with that on a case by case basis and that will determine how fast they die.
I believe every adult/mature human has the capability to make choices, make bad ones and you suffer the consequences......plan and simple!

Again, something to ponder.

Why is it ok to kill two teenage pirates to save the life of a merchant captain, but it's not ok to use harsh interrogation techniques to save the lives of thousands of people?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But I think your question is, would I torture someone to get my family back. I have to say no. Not torture. I would, however, probibly beat him to death by accident, trying to get the information.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: How do you reconcile that? Right wrong or indifferent, you've contradicted yourself there. Granted, I realize that "emotions" don't always make sense, but that's pretty inconsistent.

I don't reconcile that.
I said I probibly would not be able to control myself.
I would not be beating him for information.
It would be more of a reckoning.
I'm sure I would be screaming "Where are they?!", but I would not be waiting for an answer.
And I would probibly end up killing the guy by mistake.

But like I said, it's an unfair question, as no one in that situation really knows what they will do, until it's done.
The mind can be a very fragile & unpredictable thing.

No where did I contradict myself.
My post was quite clear.

[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 04-25-2009).]

Good point, Wichita.

Hey! BARRY!! How come it's OK to kill three pirates to save one American merchant sea captain, but it's not OK to make a known terrorist uncomfortable to extract information???????

Email to the White House!

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Why is it ok to kill two teenage pirates to save the life of a merchant captain, but it's not ok to use harsh interrogation techniques to save the lives of thousands of people?

Hostis Humani Generis. Pirates and slave traders are considered enemies to every human on earth. They do not represent a nation--they are enemies to the world. In the old days, if they were captured they would hang them. I feel that Osama Bin Laden should be considered an enemy to mankind also.

When they capture him, should he have the right a "fair trial"?? Is he innocent until proven guilty? ....ummm...NO! (we should get all the info out of his head and then hang him) I don't know why some people argue that terrorist are equals and have the same rights...they should fall under Hostis Humani Generis.

If the USA was fighting a war against another country, then I feel that we shouldn't torture. (although nukes are okay) However, we are not fighting another nation...we are fighting a small group of rouge individuals. I think we should be able to torture and kill pirates and terrorists.

quote Originally posted by scottrinne: If the USA was fighting a war against another country, then I feel that we shouldn't torture. (although nukes are okay)

Now we're tallkin!!