quote Originally posted by texasfiero: From the movie "Bucket List". Things I want to do before I kick the bucket.

Thanks, I may have to add "The Bucket List" to my bucket list.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Thanks, I may have to add "The Bucket List" to my bucket list.

Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman - nuff said!

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Fierobear just doesn't seem to get it. I'm noticing a pattern here.

Here's the pattern I see...

Guy starts a thread with Obama in the title. Another guy says something political. YOU complain. I comment that it's odd someone would complain that a thread with Obama in the title might get political. You accuse me of "not getting it". Looks like the finger is pointing the wrong way.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Here's the pattern I see... Guy starts a thread with Obama in the title. Another guy says something political. YOU complain. I comment that it's odd someone would complain that a thread with Obama in the title might get political. You accuse me of "not getting it". Looks like the finger is pointing the wrong way.

For the last time, NOBODY was complaining about Obama being mentioned in THIS thread !!!

How you possibly could've interpreted it in that manner is beyond me.

I was simply agreeing with the "guy" (Nick) who started this thread for crying out loud.

Many of us are getting fed up with the political junkies (or just plain trolls) in this forum who are trying to turn O/T threads which have nothing to do with politics into their personal soapbox for Obama ranting. Enough already, okay?

Don explained this to you, twice no less. You still don't appear to get it (or want to get it). As stated previously, I see a pattern.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: What he means Bear, is the dismay in reading along a non political thread, contributing to said subject, then finding it is suddenly hijacked right out of the blue by someone who just can't resist turning the thread in to their own personal soapbox to bash or praise Obama--or the other side. That's rude behaviour IMO. Plenty of marked political threads to interject comments in without having to seize every single subject matter possible.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: We were referring to other threads--not this one. Threads that were non-political in nature but people decide to just interject politics in to them just because they can.

what? doncha enjoy the circus?

I guess noone told some of these folk that this is a pony we can all ride

There's plenty of political threads to engage the clowns.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Maybe just northern California.

Meow.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: You still don't appear to get it (or want to get it). As stated previously, I see a pattern.

I reacting to your complaining to 2.5. If it's such a bother, why make a big deal out of it? Why even read a thread with "Obama" in the title if you supposedly KNOW it's going to get political? THAT'S my issue with you, Patrick.

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Patrick,

Actually, I would welcome some talk on Canadian, British, Australian, EU, whatever politics and what's in the news and going on over there.

Seriously.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Patrick: So you rely on the O/T section of a car forum to get balanced factual info on your president? Perhaps you should consider other sources! This may come as a shock to some Americans, but the entire planet isn't really interested in eating sleeping breathing your politics. Trust me, if the tables were turned, you guys would get plenty tired of reading about Prime Minister Harper and Canadian politics (or the Brits, Aussies, etc) in every second thread within O/T. So spare us the Obama whining and hand-wringing in non-political threads, eh? Thanks.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Patrick, Actually, I would welcome some talk on Canadian, British, Australian, EU, whatever politics and what's in the news and going on over there. Seriously. John Stricker

Mr. Stricker, I would never doubt your sincerity. That is one attribute I admire in you, another being your ability to assimilate a lot of information. However, I know I would tire quickly of random insertions of party rhetoric into non related threads. I have no problem seeing threads initiated to make a political commentary, although I find the percentage of political threads in this Totally O/T forum then in the Offtopic forums of any other forum I visit to be off the chart in comparison. Something to consider, I suppose. Some people are into that. God bless them for that. But when posters feel the need to tag innocent threads with some drive by comment about the current scandal de jour, innocent threads die, or are led horribly astray.

No argument on your point, Jeff.

The reason I would REALLY enjoy hearing about what's going on in the EU, for instance, is perhaps if people really found out what our European neighbors were paying for things like fuel, their taxes, their VAT taxes, etc., they would see that this so-called government health care (and that's not the only government service people here view as "free") really costs to have implemented.

I think it would also be a real eye opener if business people in other countries chimed in when we're talking about government regulations, for instance.

We get a taste of that from time to time when Aus, for instance, talks about the hoops he has to jump through with the Aus version of DOT to get a car imported. We get a taste, occasionally, when our Canadian friends tell us what they pay for gasoline.

But we don't hear about it enough for it really to sink in, IMHO. That's why I'd like to hear about this stuff from people that actually live there, and whose lives it affects, not just what OUR politicians and media want to pick and choose us to hear and see.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Mr. Stricker, I would never doubt your sincerity. That is one attribute I admire in you, another being your ability to assimilate a lot of information. However, I know I would tire quickly of random insertions of party rhetoric into non related threads. I have no problem seeing threads initiated to make a political commentary, although I find the percentage of political threads in this Totally O/T forum then in the Offtopic forums of any other forum I visit to be off the chart in comparison. Something to consider, I suppose. Some people are into that. God bless them for that. But when posters feel the need to tag innocent threads with some drive by comment about the current scandal de jour, innocent threads die, or are led horribly astray.

The following is not directed directly at anyone in particular:

Part of the polarization of this country is due to separating all these things for example: Liberal Radio, Conservatiev radio, Religious TV, BET, etc.

"Just give these things their own channels, we'll never have to think again, we can just wallow in our own ignorance."
"I'm sick of hearing these guys point of view, I just want to hear my own sides".

We end up with everyone being an "extremist" and not knowing it.

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VERY true, 2.5. Since the Sky CON-glomarate became the 'super-power' in the Media, the BBC was floundering in its wake..simply because the average reader/listener in the UK doesn't want to THINK about things, but just hear what they WANT to hear. Then the BBC started to follow in Sky's crappy footsteps...and we ended up with such a load of garbage, it became almost impossible to find something which wasn't written about boobs,football, online bingo , bad behaviour and Virtual Reality Shows, or Shows giving away ridiculous amounts of money for having NO ability at all. WHich is WHY I never bother to read a newspaper, or watch TV any more. makes me want to puke sometimes
Nick

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quote Originally posted by jstricker: Patrick, Actually, I would welcome some talk on Canadian, British, Australian, EU, whatever politics and what's in the news and going on over there. Seriously.

John, I would hazard to guess that the vast majority of American members of this forum couldn't care less about Canada, Britain, Australia, Europe, wherever...

No, I'm not feeling sorry for myself (or my country), not at all, but I honestly believe this is the way it is.

However John, I'll keep you in mind if something interesting thaws out up here this Spring.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Cliff, you've now posted THREE times about your views regarding political commentary in this thread alone. You're right about one thing... You do not understand. A lot of us are sick of politics in every freakin' O/T thread.

You chastise me and then jump into a political thread ?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: You chastise me and then jump into a political thread ?

Cliff, you might like to mention that I (and others) "chastised" you about your ongoing political comments in thread about Wine!

And are you now also trying to say that I am not permitted in political threads if I wish to talk politics?

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Cliff, you might like to mention that I (and others) "chastised" you about your ongoing political comments in thread about Wine! And are you now also trying to say that I am not permitted in political threads if I wish to talk politics?

Ongoing political comments ?
I presented a sarcastic joke. I asked for no political opinion, I gave none. I made an observation. Which was a word play on the thread title. I see no evidence that I believe that you should not view any thread or talk about anything. You however, seem to opine on what I might use as humor.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I presented a sarcastic joke.

Yeah, that's often how it starts. The end result is another derailed thread ruined by political potshots.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I see no evidence that I believe that you should not view any thread or talk about anything.

Oh? Re-read your previous post.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: You however, seem to opine on what I might use as humor.

I wasn't the first person in that thread to ask you to lay off the political references.

Look Cliff, this is nothing personal. I like you fine. It's just that many of us have had it up to here with all the Obama crap in every freakin' O/T thread.

You guys can Obama-Orgy in all the political threads you want, but please just leave the political poking and pulling out of the other threads, okay? Thanks.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: So you rely on the O/T section of a car forum to get balanced factual info on your president? Perhaps you should consider other sources! This may come as a shock to some Americans, but the entire planet isn't really interested in eating sleeping breathing your politics. .

I mostly have seen that alot of people on this forum pay alot of attention to what is happening in todays politics. They post something and it is a starting point, it is my responsibility to then check it out. Many times I have already heard something about the same topic as I listen to public radio alot at work.
I am not taking what comes up here as enlightened fact that is for sure.

I also know what you mean about not being interested in politics. I became much more interested when I saw the policies this new persident had in mind while he was running.

Maybe what people could do is when they see something that sparks a feeling that they need to comment in a political way on a thread that is not political, is copy the inspiring part and start a new thread that is labeled political.