........this is why I believe political debates here in O/T to be a total joke, a complete waste of time.
You can't say that sometimes it isn't entertaining though. Not being sarcastic, Patrick, but sometimes it is fun to argue simply because it relieves stress.....then again some get worked up over it also.
I got page 3.....
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Yet there were people posting in this thread who expected ME to "take the time to review all the threads and pull out examples" when YOU were the one who made the unsubstantiated claims in the first place. Funny that, eh?
Doc, this is why I believe political debates here in O/T to be a total joke, a complete waste of time.
?You may still not be getting the point, the threads are out there. It is odd how you appear to try and burn someone but have no point to make.
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In fairness to Patrick, I stated something in a way that led him to believe I was saying something I really didn't intend.
I didn't mean to make it out that ONLY one side has people that will actually give an explanation or a defense, if you will, of their viewpoint. I was trying to give more of an over-all, general evaluation.
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Formula88 Member
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sometimes it is fun to argue simply because it relieves stress
That's the main reason most discussions in O/T are useless to begin with. One person may be trying to have a serious discussion about opposing viewpoints, while someone else just wants to throw poo at everyone and argue because it's fun.
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Doug85GT Member
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That's the main reason most discussions in O/T are useless to begin with. One person may be trying to have a serious discussion about opposing viewpoints, while someone else just wants to throw poo at everyone and argue because it's fun.
Have you been to any other forums outside of PFF? If that is the way you feel, then maybe online forums are not your thing at all. All forums that I've been on have people that you describe, even church forums. Most people deal with it in their own way. Others can't handle it.
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?You may still not be getting the point, the threads are out there. It is odd how you appear to try and burn someone but have no point to make.
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Who am I trying to "burn"?
I made my point just fine. And no one was harmed, no one was burned while making it.
One of us may not be "getting the point", but here's a tip - it isn't me.
Rather ironic that you of all people here should be suggesting that someone else is not "getting the point", or have you forgotten about This thread already.
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That's the main reason most discussions in O/T are useless to begin with. One person may be trying to have a serious discussion about opposing viewpoints, while someone else just wants to throw poo at everyone and argue because it's fun.
Yep.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: Sounds like the wimps are all bailing before Obama can completely fail. He came in saying he would throw the money changes and lobyists out of the temple err, I mean DC. Instead his "stimulus" package turned out to be one of the most lobbied, pork filled bills to go through congress. Obama turns out to be just another one of the boys. Those of us on the right stood in there, took our lumps and fought in the arena of ideas even when our President was of our party but not of our Conservative belief. If you run now then don't let the door hit you on the way out. We all know who was dishing it out pretty good every time Bush screwed up. Now it is your sides turn. You can either be a man or you choose not to be. Just don't kid yourself. The rest of us know which one you choose.
Good post Doug85GT and I am sure that there is some truth to it. It might also be said that they are also whiners. They whined when they did not like what they saw. The other side, beside taking lumps for some things, had the convictions to defend what they did believe in. It is interesting that here and elsewhere the liberals do not want to debate. Even in Congress. Recently, Nancy Pelosi changed the rules which have been standing for over 100 years. The rules which allowed a draft of an alternate bill which could be considered and debated along side of the bill of the majority. Does that sound like reaching across the isle ? No. As Neptune stated, they don't care what others think, . It takes a big man to admit wrong and not many will. In many areas, not just politics. The louder that they purport that they are right, the harder it is to admit error. By avoiding debate they can avoid having to admit error. A house divided will not stand.
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Originally posted by Formula88: That's the main reason most discussions in O/T are useless to begin with. One person may be trying to have a serious discussion about opposing viewpoints, while someone else just wants to throw poo at everyone and argue because it's fun.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Yep.
Nope. More than two participate. Usually, a serious discussion can be had along side of a popcorn match. Sometimes even poo can generate a thought.
Divergence of opinion is what leads to the great debates ,,we grow further apart,, As many here know I am far left of my former opinions practically a progressive ,,of course on this forum I am seen as right wing!! In a world where hannity,limbaugh,savage are just pinkos possing as conservatives ..many disagree with me and see my lack of humour and dry style as represenative of the running lacky dog style of war mongering I represent , I have a fiero so I partake in the debate from time to time.. I care not what course others may take ,, but as for me give me liberty or a blueberry muffin served by foxy lady ,, then rough and tumble discussion followed by mad dog hatred and foaming fire breathing at the retarded morons who do not exactly agree with me.. Let the rapture of loyal toyota owners begin,, deposit them on Mt Fuji in the land they love with thier money , GOD GUNS GUTS AND FIEROS MADE AMERICA GREAT !! who,s next
Saturn ? Pontiac? free trade is destroying us and many are still in a Fog of compliance fear !! let the dogs of anger and hate be assuaged by interesting words of debate by those of similar interest.....
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kyunderdawg Member
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: Have you been to any other forums outside of PFF? If that is the way you feel, then maybe online forums are not your thing at all. All forums that I've been on have people that you describe, even church forums. Most people deal with it in their own way. Others can't handle it.
If I feel water is wet, does that mean rain isn't my thing? Yes, I know most forums have this problem to some extent. Yes, you have to deal with it. That doesn't make it ok or desirable; however.
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FieroJam Member
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This is so funny, those that wanted change most and now have it want to disappear while things are changing. It's so easy to stand back cut, condemn and scream at the top of your lungs about how wrong things are when you're on the opposing side that's not in power.
OK, now your team is in charge and you want to back out. How about standing up for the team you so wanted in power, defending their actions, defending all the things they are supposedly going to change, defend the things they are trying to do. Now, your party, your choice is in power but, you want to back out of the kitchen, what's the matter, is the heat getting to ya? It hasn't even begun to warm up yet and you and so many of those wanting change are no where to be found to defend your choice.
You wanted change, you got it, now stand up and look that change in the eye, take responsibilty for what you wanted. Or, go hide in a cave while others try to keep this nation on track. Tending your garden or hiding, call it what you will. It's easy to throw those tomatoes, it's a lot harder to stand up to the tomato tossers and defend something you believe in.
If you want to quit, do so, why the squeal for attention? Or were you really just wanting to pull someone's chain again.
Ron
Personally I am still waiting for the "change" considering you still have the same people spending ridiculous amounts of money on ridiculous pet projects that they have been doing the last couple of years. Hell they are still trying to blame it all on the last Administration. Funny how Government spending is evil and bad for us when a Republican is in charge but just what the doctor ordered when a Democratic is in charge. Nothing has changed you still have a group of millionaires who want to screw over the general American public and call it help.
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Personally I am still waiting for the "change" considering you still have the same people spending ridiculous amounts of money on ridiculous pet projects that they have been doing the last couple of years. Hell they are still trying to blame it all on the last Administration. Funny how Government spending is evil and bad for us when a Republican is in charge but just what the doctor ordered when a Democratic is in charge. Nothing has changed you still have a group of millionaires who want to screw over the general American public and call it help.
The "change" is already in place, the "change" was a Dem in the Oval office and Dem control of congress. There are other changes but, that's really all the Obama Campaign wanted. The rest was all warm and fuzzy poo they smeared on those that like that warm and fuzzy poo feeling.
This administration is spending our children's and grandchildren's future at a rate never seen before. The term fiscal responsibility has lost all meaning. I guess we deserve what we got but, do our kids deserve to pay for all of it?
Ron
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Rather ironic that you of all people here should be suggesting that someone else is not "getting the point", or have you forgotten about This thread already.
No big deal, I think I read into some posts more than I should.
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