I've never understood why someone who feels they have nothing left to say and want nothing more to do with the forum feel the need to post a thread informing everyone about it. More of the same from Neptune. No hope of change there, either.
Now that Bush has "retired into obscurity" and the Dems have wide majorities in the government, plus the Presidency, it's time for them to put up or shut up and deliver on all of their boastful promises of knowing better than everyone else, and Neptune says he's got better things to do.
I am not surprised.
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I've never understood why someone who feels they have nothing left to say and want nothing more to do with the forum feel the need to post a thread informing everyone about it.
Pretty much what I said a page ago Whether or not it is, it appears to be more of a cry for attention then a genuine exit.
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MMmm hmmmm.
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I've never understood why someone who feels they have nothing left to say and want nothing more to do with the forum feel the need to post a thread informing everyone about it.
People who post "I'm leaving" or "I'm done" threads are generally attention whores or incredibly insecure folks looking for an ego boost.
People who post "I'm leaving" or "I'm done" threads are generally attention whores or incredibly insecure folks looking for an ego boost.
Not always. I get tired of the bias (both sides) myself, when it comes to politics, and I suspect many others do as well. Also believe the "Truth" lies somewhere in the middle of most arguments, or at least each side holds a bit of truth and accuracy. Liberals may be in the White House and are the majority in congress, but not here at PFF OT, so I guess it gets a little old having your beliefs beat on everyday--it would be for me anyway.
I only read the first post and a couple of replies, but sounds to me like he is just giving an explanantion of why he won't be as involved in political threads as much. Nothing wrong with that.
I just did without the internet for a week, and I gotta tell ya-it was a refreshing experience. I got up early each morning, had my coffee and watched a little news the old fashioned way (TV), then went out and actually accomplished some things. I missed PFF, but I really need to learn to just turn it off and actually live a little.
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Lmao. well, I guess it's up to Neptune himself to clear the air on his intentions.....
Part of the problem I think, Nep you do not clarify, not usually. I sometimes wonder if you come back to posts to read replies, I get that feeling from ConnecticutFiero too. Which leaves me wondering what you are perplexed by, I know some individual people here butt heads with you no matter what you say. But I like honest discussions about issues and points of view.
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Not always. I get tired of the bias (both sides) myself, when it comes to politics, and I suspect many others do as well. Also believe the "Truth" lies somewhere in the middle of most arguments, or at least each side holds a bit of truth and accuracy. Liberals may be in the White House and are the majority in congress, but not here at PFF OT, so I guess it gets a little old having your beliefs beat on everyday--it would be for me anyway.
When I joined and started posting in O/T I thought this was a mostly Liberal viewpointed site. I would get PM's about my posts saying they felt the same but they usually did not post for everyone to see. Some of that has changed. It is strange I guess. I like a mix and we have that, and sometimes the labels don't fit where people place them here. It does seem that Obama fans have scattered, but I had hoped for legitimate discussions while they were around and we didn't get many then either.
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Originally posted by 2.5: It does seem that Obama fans have scattered, but I had hoped for legitimate discussions while they were around and we didn't get many then either.
You know, I've noticed this on another board where I discuss politics. Since the election, the libs have virtually disappeared. And they've been DEATHLY quiet since the press has started criticizing Obama and the congress with the bailouts.
Fascinating
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: .......people like me just don't care what the bitters think or what the FOX "news" channel squawks about anymore.
With all due respect, and I would like to say this as politely as possible, that makes you a boob. I always care about what others think whether it be the bitters, or the rest of the media. How can you affect change if you do not care what others think. It is also noteworthy that people like you do not care for what the liberal radio has to say either. It has been an epic failure to sustain itself. In actuality, you really do care what conservative radio says as people like you want to silence it or worse yet, forcibly inject your opinions into it. It is pitifully sad that people like you can not hold an interesting conversation regarding politics. That y'all withdraw into you shell as your only defense. The Democrats have drones for followers as I am sure that the Republicans do also. People who will debate and listen to others are not drones/boobs. FOX news does purport to be fair and balanced and . They do invite liberals to the show for debate. The liberal weakness shows as many will not come on. Even Obama had to have his feet held to the fire to make an appearance which he had previously promised to do. Yes, the same Obama who says he is reaching across the isle. Why would he not reach out to that audience (which is the number one audience) which seems to elect the other side of the isle ? Does he not want to affect change ? Greater support from that audience would make it easier to work across the isle. I for one will miss your views and those of others like you but, I will not miss your undefensible hard headedness. It is a shame that we have to identify ourselves with a political party. I believe it was one of America's founding fathers which warned us about the scurge of political parties. Too bad we will not listen to those which created this envious system of the world.
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This is so funny, those that wanted change most and now have it want to disappear while things are changing. It's so easy to stand back cut, condemn and scream at the top of your lungs about how wrong things are when you're on the opposing side that's not in power.
OK, now your team is in charge and you want to back out. How about standing up for the team you so wanted in power, defending their actions, defending all the things they are supposedly going to change, defend the things they are trying to do. Now, your party, your choice is in power but, you want to back out of the kitchen, what's the matter, is the heat getting to ya? It hasn't even begun to warm up yet and you and so many of those wanting change are no where to be found to defend your choice.
You wanted change, you got it, now stand up and look that change in the eye, take responsibilty for what you wanted. Or, go hide in a cave while others try to keep this nation on track. Tending your garden or hiding, call it what you will. It's easy to throw those tomatoes, it's a lot harder to stand up to the tomato tossers and defend something you believe in.
It would appear to me that he is scared. That he and others like him do not want to come out of the closet with that fear.
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You talking about this forum? No way, it's always been biased towards the right here. Seriously.
kinda. MOST do in fact seem to be more left. just not extreme left. and - it seems to be a trait of the left to be a bit more timid, and a trait of the right to be more dominating. and, then - the name calling - because in general, left is not very "manly".
anyways - extremists are the problem. of all kinds. be it religion or politics. our nation is being taken apart by extremists. they are pitting us against one another. completely buffaloing us all, as they make off with our goods.
Originally posted by cliffw: It is a shame that we have to identify ourselves with a political party. I believe it was one of America's founding fathers which warned us about the scurge of political parties. Too bad we will not listen to those which created this envious system of the world.
That would be none other than George Washington. He warned of political parties and their damaging influences in his Farewell Address. Here's a snippet:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
Hmm... does any of that seem familiar?
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Not trying to speak for Pyrthian, but would "aggressive" be a less provoking adjective?
And yet, in contrast to the stereotype has been my experience.
The liberals are STEREOTYPED to be more OPEN, and ACCEPTING, and TOLERANT of ideas. Yet who are the ones that want to limit free expression on the airwaves by restrictions on talk radio?
The liberals are stereotyped to be THE DEEP THINKERS. Yet on this forum, just take a re-read of some threads. I don't care what your bent or conclusions are. Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification.
The conservatives are supposed to be more AGGRESSIVE. Ok. Do an objective count in a thread of the name-calling. That is more of a 50/50 to me, but I've never sat and counted the numbers.
Here is what is interesting to me with this thread. We had a campaign and both sides expressed what they thought would happen and some people said why. People tried to project what WOULD happen.
Now it IS happening. You might like it. You might dislike it. Whatever. But which group's predictions from before the election are closer to what IS NOW happening?
There was a lot of pre and post election GLOATING going on by a certain side. OK.
But now in the light of ACTUAL REALITY instead of campaign rhetoric, how do you justify your pre-election comments and gloating?
THAT is a conversation many people are wanting to have, and it sure seems like others are wanting to avoid. Well, the CHEAP, EASY out is to duck the conversation because "of all those mean guys ganging up on me/us." Recognize it for what it is, though. This is an out.
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...on this forum, just take a re-read of some threads.I don't care what your bent or conclusions are. Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification.
Doc, you know I like and respect you, but this my friend is pure and simple unadulterated hogwash. Shame on you.
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Reluctantly, in view of certain things, I have to agree. Bear in mind that I live thousands of miles away from the USA, and therefore have no 'axe to grind' per se..as a remote observer I have seen some tendencies and trends here, over the years. There are probably only enough posters from EITHER side that could be counted on one hand, whom I would consider 'open-minded'..the rest resort to verbal bullying and 'Superiority', which really isn't justifed considering the myopic views they plainly hold. Hardly anybody has the guts to REALLY confess when their 'side' has got it totally wrong on occasions, nor to even remotely admit that whatever links they publish to 'reliable sources' which support their view, are just selective links to support them. We end up quoting what are, simply, OTHER peoples' thoughts and words. I was even contemplating at one time, starting a thread which would ONLY be populated by posts from either Political 'Side', pointing out ONLY what their 'Side' was, or has been, doing wrong. And posts applauding things the other 'Side' had got RIGHT. No mitigating sidelines quoted to lessen the pain of admitting where things have gone wrong. Bite the bullet.It was a thought in my head that, even in a Car Forum, some middle ground would be created, and grow, and form some kind of 'bond' which everybody could ENJOY with their Fellow Forum Members. I think I did start a thread about it, come think about it, but it didn't do as well as the 'Girls without Fieros' thread. How sad Unfortunately, it appeared to ME, at least, that those very people who expostulate and bluster and shout,are too insecure to even RISK displaying some kind of weakness in the staunchness of their support, in case the very people who were attacking their mutual political opponents alongside them, might turn their verbal attacks on THEM, for being 'weak' and irresolute'.Or even 'disloyal to the cause'. People who shout loudest are, more often than not, the most insecure of all. Fearful. The old adage 'empty vessels make the most noise' is always near the truth. It is time to break down the barriers of Partisanship for ever, and to unite, swallow the bitter Pill of reality, and fight TOGETHER what is wrong in this World.NOT Socialism. That will burn us quicker than anything, almost. But UNITY. It will mean that many will have to sacrifice MORE than others.That is because they HAVE more to sacrifice. Not many appear to be prepared to even give a millimetre, rather than an inch or a mile. The trappings of success must always be apparent to even the remotest onlooker, or so it seems. But, personal sacrifice will be the only thing to put this World even remotely on the right track. That isn't going to happen, in the Commerce-driven World that we live in. We are collectively TOO weak and selfish. And greedy for MORE.And too many unadulterated temptations to possess stuff to show just how 'Well' we are doing.And we continue to fail to realise that a multitude of 'possessions' mean absolutely NOTHING, other than 'boasting Rights'. Let's be proud of our THRIFTINESS, rather than our ability to indulge our excesses. Too FRIGHTENED to appear to have LOST something, rather than being proud of making sacrifices. Just as last time the Elections were due, some people embarked on an endless grind of propaganda (some true, some not, maybe...as usual) in unflinching support of their Party 'Machine', so it has happened again. This time it appears that the vanquished are worse, and more bitter losers than last time. Yet nothing has changed, has it? Just the Name of the Party. The old crap we hear day after day after day for example in the the UK Parliament, is STILL the basis of justification for perceived failures..' Well, ten years ago THEY (the Opposition) did MUCH worse than we are now'. SO FRIKKEN WHAT? That doesn't make it any BETTER! I'm sick of 'Comparative Politics'. I would ban ANY reference to previous Government's performance in ANY WAY, as a means to justify what the encumbent 'Party' is, or has, been doing. It is so flipping 'First Grade' argument, it is nauseating. Pointless. And totally unfulfilling. IMHO. And shows an alarming level of thoughtlessness, triviality and non-existent depth of logic or reasoning. And an even more alarming sign of indoctrination. On BOTH sides. Politics has become a disease, not a method to LEAD a Country. And it is destroying us. ALL of us.
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Doc, you know I like and respect you, but this my friend is pure and simple unadulterated hogwash. Shame on you.
Well, I feel the same way and I respect your viewpoint, so I'm willing to reconsider. Because I'm probably looking at it mainly through MY eyes of how discussions have gone.
I'll make a point and explain why. Instead of responding, the person whose point I refuted will ignore the response and just throw out another statement or accusation. No justification. No substantiation. Or... will call me names. (not that the name calling bothers me, personally. It just is another version of ducking the conversation.)
But I'll keep a watch out a little more for ALL the responses in total and see how it scores out.
fierofetish, for example, if you went back you would see how many times I stated how Bush sold me out, how I was disgusted by his performance, etc. You'll see how I defended people with an opposing viewpoint because of the way they have been treated. You'll see how many times I pointed out criticisms of Obama (whom I detest) that I thought were unfair, or were irrelevant. I've even directly stated in responses that I didn't want the person with the opposing viewpoint to feel I was piling on or ganging up.
But I'm looking at statements through MY experience, and it is easier for you guys to look at the TOTAL.
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Come on NEPTUNE.....don't let the whole "political" thing bring you down. It's always a discussion and, yes, sometimes things get a little "hinky", but PFFer's always seem to joke and cut up later on. Take a break and come back......
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What a nice example of that "throwing statements out as accepted fact" that Lobe was referring to I'm sure you meant it that way lol.
See below.
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No, it isn't
And your failure to provide supporting data in this glib drive-by comment is ironic proof of the postulate.
Again...
What a joke. The good doctor (who I do like and respect) makes an uncharacteristicly silly comment with NOTHING to support it. You (and others) apparently agree with it, again with NOTHING posted in support of this silly comment. Yet you believe the onus is somehow on ME "to provide supporting data" because I don't happen to agree with it. Dream on brother...
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...on this forum, just take a re-read of some threads.I don't care what your bent or conclusions are. Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification.
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Well, I feel the same way and I respect your viewpoint, so I'm willing to reconsider. Because I'm probably looking at it mainly through MY eyes of how discussions have gone.
Doc, there are brain-dead fanatics on both sides of the fence. They post here all the time. And there are educated people in both camps as well. Occasionally, one of them will post in a PFF political thread.
My beef with your comment was that you were insinuating it's only one "group" which has supportive idiots, whereas the other "group" is supposedly comprised of braniacs. You're an intelligent guy, you know better than that.
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...on this forum, just take a re-read of some threads.I don't care what your bent or conclusions are. Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification.
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Politics has become a disease, not a method to LEAD a Country. And it is destroying us. ALL of us.
Nick, that was a very thoughtful post. Good on ya.
Over and over again I see posted here what a failure Obama is. Good gawd, how many freakin' days has the fella been in power? He inherits one helluva mess during the worst financial crisis of modern times, and all I see here from the usual suspects is criticism of how he's handling things. It's unbelieveable... and sad.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Over and over again I see posted here what a failure Obama is. Good gawd, how many freakin' days has the fella been in power? He inherits one helluva mess during the worst financial crisis of modern times, and all I see here from the usual suspects is criticism of how he's handling things. It's unbelieveable... and sad.
One of the left's favorite pastimes was to bash George Bush for his perceived "stupidity" due to his lack of eloquence when he was speaking.
Did you see that total abortion of a "speech" that Obama gave, a few nights ago, that was supposed to tell us about "the plan"? Without a teleprompter, the man is a total train-wreck. And what he didn't fumble, was complete fluff and buzzwords. Much like his entire campaign.
Frankly, I don't think he can handle it. He's looking more like the deer in the headlights every day. When one of the leaders of a country, that has goals that are at odds with our own, says "boo!", Obama is probably going to pee all over himself. "Errr.... Ummmm... Uhhhh..." indeed.
fierofetish, for example, if you went back you would see how many times I stated how Bush sold me out, how I was disgusted by his performance, etc. You'll see how I defended people with an opposing viewpoint because of the way they have been treated. You'll see how many times I pointed out criticisms of Obama (whom I detest) that I thought were unfair, or were irrelevant. I've even directly stated in responses that I didn't want the person with the opposing viewpoint to feel I was piling on or ganging up.
But I'm looking at statements through MY experience, and it is easier for you guys to look at the TOTAL.
Dan, I will make no bones about the fact that you are ,IMHO,one of those to be counted upon one hand, who endeavour to see both sides at once, and are prompt to acknowledge any shortcomings or failures in your 'Side's' performance. So... Did you get one of your Fellow Medical wonderworkers to amputate your obligatory Political blinkers? ps..I bumped my 'blood pressure thread in the hope you might see it Nick
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...on this forum, just take a re-read of some threads.I don't care what your bent or conclusions are. Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification.
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Doc, you know I like and respect you, but this my friend is pure and simple unadulterated hogwash. Shame on you.
I thought it was quite accurate. Point of view I guess. But then I don't know what political label is on alot of people here. Blacktree's Washington quote sums up or problem well. Most will see what they want to see.
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What a joke. The good doctor (who I do like and respect) makes an uncharacteristicly silly comment with NOTHING to support it. You (and others) apparently agree with it, again with NOTHING posted in support of this silly comment. Yet you believe the onus is somehow on ME "to provide supporting data" because I don't happen to agree with it. Dream on brother...
After many have agreed with Frontal Lobe because they have noticed it while using the forum as well, you have not noticed? If he doesn't quote threads and place them in front of you... you will not believe it, is this because you don't want to? His comment is silly only in your eyes it seems and it follows along with his observant comments he has always posted. An argument you could make would be that eventually in a thread people who started out describing why they believed from their point of view were slinging insults back at insults. I think this argument is and should be about individuals though, not sides.
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Originally posted by frontal lobe: ..... Which group tends to try to make concise explanations of what they believe, and which group just throws statements out as "accepted fact" with little or no justification. ......
yes, kinda what I was trying to say earlier - forward thinking has little referance backward thinking, you have endless hindsight to referance
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In fairness to Patrick, I stated something in a way that led him to believe I was saying something I really didn't intend.
I didn't mean to make it out that ONLY one side has people that will actually give an explanation or a defense, if you will, of their viewpoint. I was trying to give more of an over-all, general evaluation. And Patrick, like you, I'm not going to take the time to review all the threads and pull out examples, either.
Regarding Obama only being in office a few weeks, I can understand why you would think that. But the point is, Obama has SAID what he WOULD do for a lot longer than 3 weeks. He said it through out the campaign. And many of us have said, "well, IF he DOES that, then it is going to be bad, or a disaster, or etc." Some people said, "no, he would never do that." Some said, "that will be a good thing." Well, now we are finding out. And for some people, these are "I told you so" moments. But for others, they are, "Hopefully next time you will actually REMEMBER when someone talks like this, and vote accordingly."
Probably the biggest issue is "hope and change". And several people said this isn't "change". This is re-tread, previously rejected socialist ideology from the Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter days. Yes, Obama has stepped into a mess. So did Ronald Reagan. Obama and Reagan are using vastly different approaches. We'll see which way turned out better. But since there are certain principles that are effective, and others that aren't, and we've already SEEN them, I already KNOW which is going to turn out better. Not because I'm brilliant. Not because I WANT a certain outcome. But because I've already LIVED it and EXPERIENCED it.
fierofetish, even though I have had to spend a lot of time around the medical world, somehow I have escaped them giving me an objectivectomy.
I missed the thread to which you are referring! I'll go look for it.
I'm guessing he won't be posting.... Does anyone remember the original intent? NEPTUNE: "want to talk about cars? Movies? Women? Tell jokes? I'm there" .....Sounded to me like he was tired of the b.s. that accompanies the more serious discussions (ie. politics)
This thread has been turned into a good example of what his original point was... or at least the way I took it. It's pretty funny actually..... There was such heavy ridicule when the OP went up. Yet many of us have turned the thread into perfect support of his claim. So why should he post? ....I'd be reading and laughing
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Originally posted by The MaD cOw: Yet many of us have turned the thread into perfect support of his claim. So why should he post? ....I'd be reading and laughing
Maybe some have, not many, but I think this thread explains alot and wish Neptune would comment on it. If he is reading and laughing he is only seeing one side.
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In fairness to Patrick, I stated something in a way that led him to believe I was saying something I really didn't intend.
I didn't mean to make it out that ONLY one side has people that will actually give an explanation or a defense, if you will, of their viewpoint. I was trying to give more of an over-all, general evaluation. And Patrick, like you, I'm not going to take the time to review all the threads and pull out examples, either.
Yet there were people posting in this thread who expected ME to "take the time to review all the threads and pull out examples" when YOU were the one who made the unsubstantiated claims in the first place. Funny that, eh?
Doc, this is why I believe political debates here in O/T to be a total joke, a complete waste of time.
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Sounds like the wimps are all bailing before Obama can completely fail. He came in saying he would throw the money changes and lobyists out of the temple err, I mean DC. Instead his "stimulus" package turned out to be one of the most lobbied, pork filled bills to go through congress. Obama turns out to be just another one of the boys. He was never any different. He was just better at fooling you into thinking he was.
Those of us on the right stood in there, took our lumps and fought in the arena of ideas even when our President was of our party but not of our Conservative belief. If you run now then don't let the door hit you on the way out. We all know who was dishing it out pretty good every time Bush screwed up. Now it is your sides turn. You can either be a man or you choose not to be. Just don't kid yourself. The rest of us know which one you choose.
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