I am watching this show on TruTV it's like cops but it is diffrent principals at diffrent schools. One principal in Arkansas has corporal punishment, you can do suspension or take 3 whacks in his office with a paddle. Who does this? Small kid acting up and a parent decides to give the kid a whack on the behind fine, I am all for it. A 17 year old in high school and the principal?? Come on. My kid would not be going to that school.

It worked fine for many decades. I got my share of them from principals and teachers alike--grade school thru high school. So did my children. And, there was no choice given--just take your whacks and go on about your education a wiser student.
The rumor going around when I was in elementary school was that the principal had an electric paddle in his office for the badly misbehaved.

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Good worked for years now look at us.

We had it in Texas when I was a child in the 80's.

I'm not for sure when the vast majority of schools stopped it.

I'm watching that too. If I were that principal who paddled that girl in the tight pants, who looked she would love some guy beef, I would have had a witness in there otherwise I would have felt like a pervert with power.

Was still accepted in the late 60's when i was in grade school. Was friends with the principal so i got to wittiness a few paddlings. Straightened those kids up really quick.

Around here even parents are afraid of corporal punishment and lawsuits. No wonder we are in the mess we are i with so many kids.

EDIT: oh, they always had another staff member present.

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My mom went to catholic school and the nuns were mean ones. Whacks with a ruler, were the order of the day. Like I said I have no problem with dealing with your own kids that way, my momwas a pro with twisting the ear off your head, if you were acting up in public. Man she was good at that, i would fall right into line. However, I just think that principals have no right to whack a kid. Disapline them get the parents involved, but no whacking.

Get the parents involved. That is the problem, not the lack of corporal punishment in schools, but people who fail miserably to be parents.

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quote Originally posted by Curlrup: My mom went to catholic school and the nuns were mean ones. Whacks with a ruler, were the order of the day. Like I said I have no problem with dealing with your own kids that way, my momwas a pro with twisting the ear off your head, if you were acting up in public. Man she was good at that, i would fall right into line. However, I just think that principals have no right to whack a kid. Disapline them get the parents involved, but no whacking. Get the parents involved. That is the problem, not the lack of corporal punishment in schools, but people who fail miserably to be parents.

While i agree the parents ( and their lack of parenting ) are the major fault here, but not allowing the schools to take any corrective action only magnifies the problem.

In our high school back in the late 60s, early 70s, it wasn't just the principal who had the authority to paddle misbehaving kids. We had a wood-working teacher with a custom made paddle (made in the school shop of course) nick-named the Whopper Zopper. It had holes in it to reduce air resistance while swinging it. Very effective, so I was told.

Not too many kids screwed around in wood-working class. I wonder why?

quote Originally posted by Curlrup: I am watching this show on TruTV it's like cops but it is diffrent principals at diffrent schools. One principal in Arkansas has corporal punishment, you can do suspension or take 3 whacks in his office with a paddle. Who does this? Small kid acting up and a parent decides to give the kid a whack on the behind fine, I am all for it. A 17 year old in high school and the principal?? Come on. My kid would not be going to that school.

Not like I never got the strap..LMAO

Also, not like a certain principal who liked the strap never got jumped by 10 kids and the living crap beat out of him after school one day, for his love of the strap. Ah, well that was the 70's. Different world back then.

Very funny thing about violence. It seems those who like to dish it out, receive it. I'm just amazed the dumb bastards haven't figured that out yet.

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Yes, we had the "PADDLE" back in the mid 60's. Some were hung on the wall in view of the class as if to dare you to act up.

A few had holes like mentioned above to reduce any drag during the swing process. Some of our teachers would paddle you right in front of the class while others would take you into the hall and spare some of your dignity.

One of our female math teachers even used the paddle and you didn't even want to get in trouble with the gym teacher.

They all seemed to enjoy using the paddle but heaven forbid if anyone in class smirked while another classmate was getting his due.
They were brought to the front and given the same treatment. I often wondered what a full ear to ear grin would of been worth.

Just think if the paddle came back as standard treatment. With cell phone video, it would be on uTube for the world to see.

Spoon

Get rid of the liberals and bring back corporal punishment! I got paddeled once in high school at 16. Straightened me out about acting up in class. I would much rather had the teacher take care of it than call my parents. Mom and Dad were death on doing something bad in school. School was for learning so that you didnt have to go thru life like they did. So, if they got called by school, I knew that I would be in for a very bad time at home.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Good worked for years now look at us.

Lack of discipline is a HUGE contributing factor of what's wrong with today's youth. Seems like every generation is getting worse and worse.

quote Originally posted by Spoon: They all seemed to enjoy using the paddle but heaven forbid if anyone in class smirked while another classmate was getting his due. They were brought to the front and given the same treatment. I often wondered what a full ear to ear grin would of been worth. Spoon

thats exatly why the kids beat the crap out of a some of them. 12-year-olds can be pretty smart.

Quite frankly, I am going to smirk when I WANT, I am going to think what I WANT, and I'm going to do it whenever I goddamn well please.

There is little difference between fascist cops and fascits teachers. Both are sub-human scum control freaks that think they are justified in using force to bring another human under thier so-called "authority".

They simply dont understand that the normal condition of the human spirit is self-determanation and freedom.

And they wonder why thier system doesnt work. <sigh>

Nobody ever called collective humans bright.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Quite frankly, I am going to smirk when I WANT... and I'm going to do it whenever I goddamn well please.

The world's full of tough guys...

I'd let my kids go to school there.

Jim

quote Originally posted by ron768: Get rid of the liberals and bring back corporal punishment! I got paddeled once in high school at 16. Straightened me out about acting up in class. I would much rather had the teacher take care of it than call my parents. Mom and Dad were death on doing something bad in school. School was for learning so that you didnt have to go thru life like they did. So, if they got called by school, I knew that I would be in for a very bad time at home.

As my ole Pappy used to say, you get in trouble at school, you're in trouble at home. Give your heart to God because I'm gonna redden your butt. He was good to his word. I learned very quickly in life to behave in school and enjoy the benefits of being able to sit while eating.

Ron

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I have no problem with corporal punishment. It wasn't really the norm when I was in school, I certainly wouldn't be oppesed to it for my future child though. I have seen first hand how kids behave in public, my mom was a single mother and had she let me run her over you damn well better know I would have. Very thankful she didn't let me get away with that bullshit. My child will not be the little turds running around in grocery stores pissing off all the customers and employees. Shame so many people don't know how to be parents.

quote Originally posted by Curlrup: A 17 year old in high school and the principal?? Come on. My kid would not be going to that school.

Truthfully, you probably wouldn't even know about it. I went to a high school that did swats, but it was the football coach who delivered them with supervision from the principal. The kids had a choice, they could call mom and dad or take swats, just about everyone took swats.

When people talk about "paddling" they think of their kid being beaten by a principal against their will. This never happened. Students preferred swats to being sent home for 3 days or so.

quote Originally posted by Deabionni: Lack of discipline is a HUGE contributing factor of what's wrong with today's youth. Seems like every generation is getting worse and worse.

You mister just need a hug.

I got punched in the nose one time in shop class, the teacher saw it but wouldn't do anything about it until I punched the kid back. We both got raised off the floor, that guy could swing a board.

I started teaching back in 86 and even though I was at schools that paddled all the way up until 1999, I would never paddle a student. It's not that I don't want to, or the I think it's a bad idea. For some students it's a pretty good idea. After all, how much of a punishment is ISS? The reason I don't want to paddle is the possibility of being sued. I've worked way to many years to have some lawyer take it all away from my family and me. I only have to deal with problem students for 9 months, the parents have to live with them for their respective lifetimes.

I acted up in school, however never to the point where it required paddling or calling my parents. I knew if it got home I would be in a heap of trouble, and that is all it took. The fear and respect of my parents kept me in line, because my parents were just that parents. They were not my best friend, and they said that, I'm not here to be your best friend I'm here to parent you. As I said if parents did their job there would be no need for paddling. Also my mom worked for the school district and the elementary school I went to. So not only were you in trouble with your dad, your mom would guilt trip you with the stories of how embarased she was having her co-worker tell her over her lunch the stupid crap I pulled.

I mean is watch this show and see how disrespectful these kids are. They mouth off, and act all smart, and are just plain dense. All I can think is where are the parents? These kids bad attitudes, and disrespectfulness is learned or tolerated by their parents. Meaning they talk to and act like that to their parents. Which if I did that I would have never seen the light of day. Parents need to instil respect and disapline.

I got my share of whacks. I also think that the lack of discipline is the cause of much trouble in school. Pre-adults, and some adults need to learn some respect for authority and order.

If a teacher or school administrator doesn't want to subject the school or themselves to a lawsuit they should call the parent to the school and tell them to issue the whacks or take them home.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Quite frankly, I am going to smirk when I WANT, I am going to think what I WANT, and I'm going to do it whenever I goddamn well please. There is little difference between fascist cops and fascits teachers. Both are sub-human scum control freaks that think they are justified in using force to bring another human under thier so-called "authority". They simply dont understand that the normal condition of the human spirit is self-determanation and freedom. And they wonder why thier system doesnt work. <sigh> Nobody ever called collective humans bright.

And while you are doing what you damn well please, the rest of the class is able to learn what? I never realized that I was a sub-human control freak for wanting an orderly, respectful classroom environment. Since discipline has been taken out of the teachers' hands, the 'system' has gotten worse, not better. The way it used to be worked pretty good- we had kids who respected their teachers and were able to learn in a safe environment. The year that I had a paddle and a principal that insisted I use it, I got it out of the closet 3 times during the whole year. The first one was for a boy who stood up in class and yelled "I hate you! I wish you were dead!" I talked to his dad that night and was told to bust his ass if he said anything like that again. The next day, he did, so I got out the paddle and fired him up. For the rest of the year, I did not have any more problems with him. He got mad at me, but never disrupted class like that again. I'd say it was pretty effective and when the other kids saw that I would use it, I had less problems with them.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: The world's full of tough guys...

As are the cemeteries.

quote Originally posted by Curlrup: I am watching this show on TruTV it's like cops but it is diffrent principals at diffrent schools. One principal in Arkansas has corporal punishment, you can do suspension or take 3 whacks in his office with a paddle. Who does this? Small kid acting up and a parent decides to give the kid a whack on the behind fine, I am all for it. A 17 year old in high school and the principal?? Come on. My kid would not be going to that school.

haha and with how bad kids are now most of them would take the paddle and beat the principal right back

We had the cane. Cop six of them across the fingers and you thought twice about misbehaving.

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: haha and with how bad kids are now most of them would take the paddle and beat the principal right back

Maybe Once.

Parenting is the toughest job in the world, I understand why some teachers would not want to administer corporal punishment, they've got a lot to lose with our liberal courts system. I guess I have to agree with the above post, either your kid behaves in school or you can come get him/her. It's failures like this that give the police job security. We either learn to act responsibly at an early age or we learn it in jail. Parents have to make a choice that we all have to deal with.


Ron

NOT allowing it is the reason kids get away with murder in schools now. I acted up in school....I got wacks. I didnt screw around any more. Worked for me. When adults told me to do or not to do something, I said yes sir or mamm. Now they tell you to f**k off unless they see your gun.

quote Originally posted by carnut122: The reason I don't want to paddle is the possibility of being sued. I've worked way to many years to have some lawyer take it all away from my family and me.

And right there it is. Again.

I saw that show too, and was surprised when the principal offered the girl the paddling.
I thought they had stopped that long ago, even here in Texas.
I think the problem with some kids today is they haven`t experienced the "no matter how bad you think you are there is someone badder somewhere". Maybe in their small group they are the baddest, but they could easily be put in their place in another scenario.
I remember a few years ago a guy I worked, his son ran with one of these local gangs and they thought they were really bad, but for some reason the father had heard that reps from one of the California gangs was coming to Austin for some reason and he told his son that these members were hardcore grown men and that his son was to stay off of the street while they were around. I guess it worked becasue nobody got shot or anything.

I saw another episode last night and it reminded me of how ridiculous some high school girls can be.
One of the girls said she couldn`t go outside for gym class because it was humid and her hair would curl and her friends expected her to look good.
The principal asked her what her purpose for coming to school was and she said that education was about 80% of it, then changed that to 70% after the principal looked at her in disbelief.

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quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: thats exatly why the kids beat the crap out of a some of them. 12-year-olds can be pretty smart. Quite frankly, I am going to smirk when I WANT, I am going to think what I WANT, and I'm going to do it whenever I goddamn well please.

12 year olds can be pretty dangerous too.

You are adult, you have the right to smrik when you want. Children don't have the same rights as adults, and allowing them to get away with things like this only breeds disrespect which will only get worse.

quote Originally posted by Deabionni: Lack of discipline is a HUGE contributing factor of what's wrong with today's youth. Seems like every generation is getting worse and worse.

nope - thats you getting older.

like everything else - you dont see the "good ones" - they busy playing, having fun, being good. Its the "rotten" ones who you notice - and they get more & more annoying as you age. have ya started complaining about their clothes yet?

put on the crackly phlemmy grandpa voice - "these kids today...." and, of course - "get off my lawn!"

kids have always been kids. and always will be.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: nope - thats you getting older. like everything else - you dont see the "good ones" - they busy playing, having fun, being good. Its the "rotten" ones who you notice - and they get more & more annoying as you age. have ya started complaining about their clothes yet? put on the crackly phlemmy grandpa voice - "these kids today...." and, of course - "get off my lawn!" kids have always been kids. and always will be.

I disagree. At least in my area. ( middle class, midwest )

When i was a kid, the bad ones ( which i knew ) were not running around killing people. Our concept of bad was nowhere near as bad as it is today. For us tossing a few eggs or mooning oncoming traffic was bad.

Now we have kids running around shooting others on a regular basis.

We also didn't talk back like the kids do today.

I can say that In my years of school I remembered people being sent to the principals office for the worst offense in elementary. That was it. Zero corporal punishment in a decade of schooling. (grad in 07)

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I totally disagree too. I routinely even see middle school kids telling adults to F**K themselves. Even getting into physical fights with parents. Governmental control stops parents or anyone else from dishing out any kind of disipline. Ive even seen cases of kids (or kids parents) taking people to court for yelling at them.

A few years ago I was sitting in the house watching tv. I kept hearing this banging outside in my parking lot. I allowed people to dry their cars in my lot since its right next door on the same pavement. I finally got up and looked outside and saw a kid maybe 9 or 10 years old tring to knock down my no parking signs with a hammer while his dad cleaned his van. I yelled out at him to stop it. His dad yelled BACK AT ME for yelling at his kid I told him to make his kid stop tearing up my private property then. He yelled back at me again and I told him get his car off my property or I was calling the police. Now I have the signs, motion alarms and allow NO ONE to even use my parking lot to dry their cars from the car wash.

Back in the old days.........................I am never2old...................we had a Principal who would choke kids til they turned blue.
I kid you not.
I saw a little lady teacher break a wooden pointer over a kid's back.
And out basketball -coach- teacher had a book in his office "Basic Electricity" If you misbehaved in his class you got about ten whackes with that.
I saw a big 16 year old kid come out of his office bawling like a baby.
You didn't mess around.
We have a alternative school in Grand Rapids that is RUN by the students. It was front page news where the teachers were afraid of the students.
We alll survived the beatings and chokings..........
And most of the parents said.........you got what you deserved.......and didn't sue the system.