quote Originally posted by Phranc: Nice dodge at answering the questions. Were they to hard for you? Or would an honest answer just show you are talking out of your ass. If you need I can ask them again. Or you can do the hard thing and just admit you are full of crap.

As usual phranc you are easy to piss off.
I didn't answer your question? I let you retort and that is answers enough for anyone. You're a marvelous subject. LOL

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Actually how many trash can threads are a direct result of me? What percentage of the threads there am I actually a part of? How many threads have I posted in not gone to the can? The last person who tried to make the argument you are failed just like you are failing.

Wow, I guess seeing how the discussion degenerated after you showed up had nothing to do with my comment.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: As usual phranc you are easy to piss off. I didn't answer your question? I let you retort and that is answers enough for anyone. You're a marvelous subject. LOL

I'm not pissed off. Just because I called you out for being full of crap doesn't mean I'm pissed. In fact I'm rather happy. I enjoy exposing people like you. But I'll remember that you can't answer question honestly when called out to back up your insults.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Patric likes to cry about people not being civil and then goes and posts like what he just did.

PFF members are tired of being civil with you, Phranc. Your only purpose at PFF is to antagonize people.

This thread is a perfect example. You have nothing to state on the topic, yet you see fit to make an appearance in this thread to simply give me shot. Was that really necessary? [EDIT] Okay, I missed your comment on page 1.

It's not just me you do this to, so I don’t feel “special”, but it’s a nuisance nevertheless.

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I’ll take this opportunity to apologize to the rest of the forum for my possibly inappropriate language used earlier in reference to Phranc. As I've stated previously, Phranc has the capacity to bring out the worst in anyone, including myself. As much as I regret addressing anyone in that manner, I can’t promise I won’t do it again if repeatedly provoked.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: PFF members are tired of being civil with you, Phranc. Your only purpose at PFF is to antagonize people. This thread is a perfect example. You have nothing to state on the topic, yet you see fit to make an appearance in this thread to simply give me shot. Was that really necessary? [EDIT] Okay, I missed your comment on page 1. It's not just me you do this to, so I don’t feel “special”, but it’s a nuisance nevertheless.

You did miss my comment. Maybe next time you will make sure you know what you are talking about. I doubt it though. You will most likely cry about people being civil and then go and be uncivil your self in your typical hypocrite way. And you are right about not being special. But if liars like bill, hypocrites like you and dishonest people like neptune and conn can't handle being called out by me maybe you can stop being liars, hypocrites and other wise dishonest. Or you can take your ball and go play with jazzman.

quote I’ll take this opportunity to apologize to the rest of the forum for my possibly inappropriate language used earlier in reference to Phranc. As I've stated previously, Phranc has the capacity to bring out the worst in anyone, including myself. As much as I regret addressing anyone in that manner, I can’t promise I won’t do it again if repeatedly provoked.

Does that mean you lack self control? What else do you blame on other people when you do something? If you were really sorry you wouldn't have done it to begin with. But its not your fault is it raging hypocrite.

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Oh, what the heck...

Phuck off, Phranc.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Oh, what the heck... Phuck off, Phranc.

Raging hypocrite. But its ok its not your fault. So was that piss poor apology a lie or did you mean it and now its some one elses fault you just had to do what you apologized for one more time. How can any one take you serious when apologize for anything again? Living down to expectations.

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Phranc, I'm underwhelmed by your inability to contribute to a discussion without resorting to personal attacks and generally behaving like a petulant, spoiled child. Maybe you should look into a new career as a politician. To some extent that's exactly what this thread is all about.

(I probably should have resisted, but sometimes it's just fun to bait the troll and laugh at the response.)

quote Originally posted by TiredGXP: Now where did I put that can of Troll spray? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Here it is: Phranc, I'm underwhelmed by your inability to contribute to a discussion without resorting to personal attacks and generally behaving like a petulant, spoiled child. Maybe you should look into a new career as a politician. To some extent that's exactly what this thread is all about. (I probably should have resisted, but sometimes it's just fun to bait the troll and laugh at the response.)

Thats so cute you used a picture. To bad your understanding of the term troll is wrong. See a troll is the one who baits. Maybe you should point that cute little can at your self. That would make you the troll in case you are having a hard time following. You fail once again. Maybe you should stop now since you are obviously over your head. Why not come back after you regroup and take some time to make sure you have the correct terminology and usage.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: To bad your understanding of the term troll is wrong. See a troll is the one who baits.

Thanks for clarifying the concept, Troll.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Watching the reaction of the raging hypocrite is fun.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Thanks for clarifying the concept, Troll. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Phranc: Watching the reaction of the raging hypocrite is fun.

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Watching people misuse hypocrite is fun too. Now Patric do I need to explain it to you? I will be more then happy to explain why you fail in what you think you are trying to do by quoting me. Just ask. I know you aren't quite smart enough to figure it out on your own as evident in your posts.

I'm not even sure why you try to be witty. You fail all to often. Like now.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: I will be more then happy to explain why you fail in what you think you are trying to do by quoting me. Just ask.

Go ahead, knock yourself out.

Is it me or are a lot of people here fitting the troll description.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Go ahead, knock yourself out.

I'll go slow so you can keep up.
Pointing out to some one that they are a troll and using the term incorrectly is not a hypocritical action.

Did you get that or do you need me to dumb it down?

Here I'll make it very easy for you all you have to do is answer this question honestly: What exactly did I do that was hypocritical?

quote Originally posted by Phranc: I'll go slow so you can keep up. Pointing out to some one that they are a troll and using the term incorrectly is not a hypocritical action. Did you get that or do you need me to dumb it down? Here I'll make it very easy for you all you have to do is answer this question honestly: What exactly did I do that was hypocritical?

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Phranc, you appear to be terribly confused.

It was YOU, acting as a Troll, who out of the blue referred to ME as a "raging hypocrite” in this thread.

You are so keen on insulting everyone that you’ve lost track of which end is up.

This has got to be THE most bizarre exchange of posts I’ve ever been involved with in a forum.

Phranc, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard for awhile.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: ... Phranc, you appear to be terribly confused. It was YOU, acting as a Troll, who out of the blue referred to ME as a "raging hypocrite” in this thread. You are so keen on insulting everyone that you’ve lost track of which end is up. This has got to be THE most bizarre exchange of posts I’ve ever been involved with in a forum. Phranc, perhaps you should step away from the keyboard for awhile.

So why did you quote me "Watching the reaction of the raging hypocrite is fun." Either you were implying I was hypocrite or you are saying that's trolling in either case you are wrong. I wasn't baiting any one. I just made an observation. But since you know you are a hypocrite you had to respond. We already went over how you can't control your self and its not fault. You know where used inappropriate words gave you fake little apology and then did it again. I'm not quick to insult. Calling a hypocrite a hypocrite isn't insulting. Unless you are that hypocrite then you might be insulted. More so if you are dishonest hypocrite who lies when he makes fake apologies for his "uncontrollable actions".

So witch is it patty? How do you want to be wrong? If you weren't calling me a hypocrite and were instead calling me a troll then my bad. Either way you are wrong in you assertions. But you can't help your self so its not your fault when you do things like lie and forget to control your self. I'll remember that next time you cry about people being civil. Its not your fault you are a hypocrite and its not your fault you can't control your self.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: I wasn't baiting any one. I just made an observation.

Phuck off, Phranc.

You really are one twisted individual.

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Ok, Gents...as a cunuck, I have tried to restrain myself and not respond here....BUT !!!!!

Dion can kiss my hairy white. End of story, end of argument. So can the block.

I thinks if this BS goes on much longer, you are gonna see a LOT of canadians locked, loaded and off safe.

Gotta love those farmer boys with rifles. They dont screw around, and know how to end BS.......REAL QUICK.

Ottowa.....I would like to introduce you to Alberta !!!

quote Originally posted by Phranc: I'm not pissed off. Just because I called you out for being full of crap doesn't mean I'm pissed. In fact I'm rather happy. I enjoy exposing people like you. But I'll remember that you can't answer question honestly when called out to back up your insults.

Honesty? OK here is the real honesty.
Phranc I find it embarrassing to explain things to you that are so simplistic.

I was funnin with you regarding your constant defensive anger posts but it turns out you are a lot more troubled than I had previously thought. I apologize for hurting you in an area that is so susceptible and fragile to you.
I realize lashing out is the only way you know how to communicate and I should have been more understanding.

I get the feeling this thread may wind up trash can bound... kind of a shame actually. I'd made a previous post at one point of opinion, but largely stayed out of it in the hopes of learning a bit of what was happening up north there... seems like a very interesting problem, the likes of which many down here could learn from because, depending how heavy-handed the newly elected in our country choose to act, similar responses could result from people....


That said, it seems even more unfortunate that the downturn is from non-Canadian members having a conflict with our brothers to the north? Perhaps, that could be in part diffused out of a question.

Oddly enough, I never spent alot of time working with, or looking into Canadian politics so far. I'm going to *hope* that this gets read and there is an answer, but, based on experiences with european parties and politics...

Is it, or is it not, the truth to say that the conservative party in Canada shares more in common with the Democratic party here in the USA, than our Republican party?

I know that in many other parts of the world, such would be the case. And, correspondingly, if you were to use an abacus as an example, if the various parties are the beads, most of the world has their beads off to the left hand of the contraption, while the USA and a few rare other places have their pile of beads shifted far to the right... with the result that our "liberal" party has more in common with the conservative parties of other nations than does our actual "conservative" party....Just a random question I have no idea about, so I'm not going to guess and look to be labeled right or wrong. But I figure that might add an interesting dynamic to the liberal vs conservative slant this is disappearing into, if it were to come out that overall this compares to splitting the US Democratic party into 4 segments ideologically....

quote Originally posted by ckfiero: Is it, or is it not, the truth to say that the conservative party in Canada shares more in common with the Democratic party here in the USA, than our Republican party?

No, I think it would be pretty safe to say that the rest of the Canucks in this thread would agree that the Conservatives here would be equivalent to the Republicans down there, and the Liberals are equivalent to your Democrats.

Having said that, I think they’re all scoundrels and I wouldn’t trust the lot of them.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Honesty? OK here is the real honesty. Phranc I find it embarrassing to explain things to you that are so simplistic. I was funnin with you regarding your constant defensive anger posts but it turns out you are a lot more troubled than I had previously thought. I apologize for hurting you in an area that is so susceptible and fragile to you. I realize lashing out is the only way you know how to communicate and I should have been more understanding.

I find funny you think that you are explaining anything to me. But if that's what you have to tell your self to keep pretending to be smart that's cool.

Okay, getting this thread back on track. I saw on CTV NewsNet today that Dion may be out before Christmas. Did this unholy alliance die a quick death?

No, the Coalition isn't dead, yet. However, it appears that Dion is under tremendous pressure to leave soon so a new leader can take over the Liberals and be ready when Parliament reopens in late January. That brings up the question, will the other two members of the Coalition automatically accept the replacement as the new head of the Coalition as well? Will Jack Layton try to jump into the throne stating Dions replacement doesn't have an automatic claim to leader of the Coalition? The Governor General is a figurehead with no real authority, the Prime Minister is her "chief advisor", I don't think she has much room for independent action, I think the way it plays out is she does what the PM "suggests". The office is a ceremonial vestage of our colonial days, along with the senate, I think it's time to be rid of these useless and expensive appendages, save the money for people who need it, like GM. Personally, if I was going to bail someone out, I'd help the farmers, my car will make do for another year or so but I gotta eat every day.

I really don't know much about Canada. What I am getting just from this reading is at least in Canada people still have balls. Down here you would be hard pressed to get anyone to fight together on any issue short of invasion.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I really don't know much about Canada. What I am getting just from this reading is at least in Canada people still have balls

They do, but they are frozen 6 months out of the year.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: They do, but they are frozen 6 months out of the year.

Best to keep 'em cool, ya know.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I really don't know much about Canada. What I am getting just from this reading is at least in Canada people still have balls. Down here you would be hard pressed to get anyone to fight together on any issue short of invasion.

LMAO

We might fight a little amongst ourselves, mostly just for the hell of it, but when push comes to shove we DO take care of each other up here.

Here is a summary of this weeks latest poll results. Notice that even the extreme left wing CBC pollings indicate the Conservatives are clearly the favorite amongst Canadians.

CBC - EKOS December 2 to 3 2008

“If an election were held tomorrow, which party would you vote for?“

Conservatives - 44% (October 14 electoral result of 37.6%)
Liberals - 24% (October 14 electoral result of 26.2%)
NDP - 14.5% (October 14 electoral result of 18.2%)

2,536 Canadians aged 18 and over; margin of error of plus or minus 1.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.


IPSOS-REID - December 2 to 3 2008

Should parties receive a taxpayer-funded subsidy?

• Yes - 36%
• No - 61%
• Don’t know/refused - 3%


Should the Conservatives fight to continue governing, or allow the coalition to take over?

• Harper and the Conservatives should fight - 60%
• It’s proper that a smooth transition of power to the coalition take place - 37%
• Don’t know/refused - 3%


Who do you think would be best able to manage Canada’s economy in these troubled times?

• Steven Harper and the Conservatives - 59% (October 14 electoral result of 37.6%)
• Stephane Dion and the proposed Coalition government - 33% (October 14 electoral result of 26.2%)
• Don’t know/refused - 8% (October 14 electoral result of 18.2%)

Ipsos Reid Poll of 1001 adult Canadians Dec 2 to 3 2008; accurate within +/- 3.1 percent 19 times out of twenty.


STRATEGIC COUNCIL - December 3 2008

Conservatives - 45% (October 14 electoral result of 37.6%)
Liberal - 24% (October 14 electoral result of 26.2%)
NDP - 14% (October 14 electoral result of 18.2%)

LEAVING OUT QUEBEC: The Conservatives are even stronger outside of Quebec, getting the support of 53 per cent of respondents in the nine primarily English-speaking provinces.

1,000 people surveyed, accurate within 3.1 percentage points.


COMPASS - December 4 2008

If a federal election were now, would you vote for?

CANADA-WIDE:
Conservatives- 51% (October 14 electoral result of 37.6%)
Liberals - 20% (October 14 electoral result of 26.2%)
NDP - 10% (October 14 electoral result of 18.2%)
Greens - 6%
Bloc - 8%

ONTARIO ONLY:
Conservatives - 53%
Liberals - 24%
NDP - 10%

QUEBEC ONLY:
Conservatives - 32%
Liberals - 19%
NDP - 7%
Bloc - 35%

Other Key findings:

* 66% of Canadians oppose the Bloc Quebecois having a say in who forms the government;

* 48% have confidence in Stephen Harper as Prime Minister in the current economic climate compared to 14% for Michael Ignatieff in second place, 11% for NDP leader Jack Layton, 8% for Stephane Dion, 4% for Bob Rae, and 3% for Gilles Duceppe;

* 58% believe that the Coalition’s real or main motivation was a power grab while 28% perceive the Opposition as honestly believing that Harper is a poor manager of the economy;

* 61% believe that the Liberals, following their drop in support in the October election, should not be trying to form a government.

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In other news, the leftist Coalition has now removed the man chosen to lead the Coalition in their attempt to overthrow the current government. Ironically enough, the group was going to appoint a new leader as soon as this Wednesday, but now infighting is taking place amongst the Liberal party leading the coalition, with some candidates saying that it un-democratic for the party to just choose a new leader for the coalition without having some sort of vote taking place. I kid you not. The same group that somehow thinks it is OK to take power of the country without giving us Canadians the right to vote on their extreme left wing alliance is now telling us that for the sake of democracy they should have a vote amongst themselves to see who will lead the coalition that will form our next government should they decide to go ahead with their coup. A group, who not one Canadian cast a ballot for last election.

Loafer, how about a link to the actual site(s) this info is from.

I'd like to see for myself who's behind these polls and the method of data acquisition used.

I'd also like to see what you perhaps are NOT copying and posting here.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Loafer, how about a link to the actual sites this info is from. I'd like to see for myself who's behind these polls and the method of data acquisition used.

Hi Patrick,

I was able to find the national results on the Compas website with a .pdf documenting their methodology, and will look on Ekos and CBC to get the source of their results this evening after work.

In the meantime, here is the Compas info:

http://www.compas.ca/data/0...monsTurmoil-EPCB.pdf

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Strategic Council results

http://www.thestrategiccoun...eandmail%20(web).pdf


Ipsos Reid results

http://www.ipsos-na.com/new...srelease.cfm?id=4201

CBC Ikos Results

http://www.ekoselection.com...l-with-analysis1.pdf

Like I said above, the polls seem to indicate the majority of Canadians DO NOT support the coalitions attempt to grab power. There are a bunch of other numbers I didn't post, but one of the other more interesting ones from the Compas poll indicated that only 28% of Canadians felt the coalition was being truthful about the economy being the reason for their attempted takeover, while an astounding 54% believe they are motivated solely by a desire for power. Very telling.

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quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: ... Like I said above, the polls seem to indicate the majority of Canadians DO NOT support the coalitions attempt to grab power.

Of course they don't. Especially in the backhanded way it was done. Dion tried to get the GG to let them govern without a vote in the House. Simply by sending her a letter stating that the PM had lost the confidence of the house. If that isn't un-democratic and un-constitutional then I don't know what is.

There are rules and procedures in place to be followed. Seems to me this will all work out in the end without the sky falling in.

One thing I would like to do some digging about is one individual on another Conservative forum said that according to parliamentry tradition, for a coalition government to take power as the NDP, Bloc, and Liberal are attempting to do, they must have announced their intent to form a coalition before the first sitting in the House of Commons. According to what this individual said, what the Coalition is attempting to do is illegal, and that they according to procedure they cannot overthrow the government unless they trigger an election through a non-confidence vote. Of course, as I read this on a Conservative forum, I would like to do some checking to see if what this fellow says is indeed true. If it is, I can't believe the media or noone has made mention of this.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: ...while an astounding 54% believe they are motivated solely by a desire for power. Very telling.

Good lord, what's so "astounding" about that!

You could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of federal politicians in any one country who are NOT "motivated solely by a desire for power".

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Good lord, what's so "astounding" about that! You could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of federal politicians in any one country who are NOT "motivated solely by a desire for power".

It's a huge number because it indicates over half of Canadians, including those of the so-called 62% majority of Canadian's who did not vote for Harper, believe that the Coalition of the Left is lying about the reasoning behind their attempted grab for power. In these unsure economic times, do we really want this group of imbeciles governening our country? First off we had a man who was clearly rejected by Canadians at the polls during our election only weeks ago, and who is not even financially responsible enough to pay off his own leadership debts, and now we have a race between a man who identifies himself more as an American than a Canadian, and another who single handedly destroyed Ontario's economy back in the 1990's. The thought of any of these three stooges running our countries finances scares the crap out of me.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: In these unsure economic times, do we really want this group of imbeciles governening our country?

Are you referring to the Conservatives or the coalition?

Look, I'm not all that keen on the idea of this coalition government either. It's just too bad that Harper acts as though he has a majority government when it's painfully obvious to any political neophyte that his minority government needs to appease the other parties in order to survive.

Like it or not, it's Harper's complete and utter arrogance which has turned this country on it's ear.