Yes, I did several times, but nobody really seems to care. The guy has some valid points, but also bear in mind he was an avid Hillary supporter so he might have some kind of axe to grind. I continue to monitor his lawsuit daily.
There is going to be a show this Sunday exposing the company Obama kept. From an email I received:
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SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETA IL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO E VERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
Read deeper into his research. He "Claims" the birth certificate he displayed on a website is a forgery based on the birth certificate of his half sister. His entire family is documented as saying Barak was born in Kenya. They said this four years ago when he was running for Senate. Since then they say he was born in Honolulu, although they can't agree on which hospitial. There are also records of his live birth in Kenya, and school records from Indonesia, where he would have had to be a citizen to even attend.
It's an interesting saga to follow indeed.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I have known about this, but to answer your question, the main stream media will never show this. It contains the truth. I hope this comes to the forefront before the election. It would be messy if he won and had to be removed from office. Then Biden would be President.
I have known about this, but to answer your question, the main stream media will never show this. It contains the truth. I hope this comes to the forefront before the election. It would be messy if he won and had to be removed from office. Then Biden would be President.
Jim
I believe if he won he would be immune while in office. And the suit can resume when its to late and he is out.
I believe if he won he would be immune while in office. And the suit can resume when its to late and he is out.
How can he be immune when he didn't qualify for president. That would mean he isn't really president wouldn't it? It should be demanded this is settled before the vote I would think.
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rpro Member
Posts: 2920 From: Rockledge, FL Registered: Jun 2006
Something like this would be a constitutional nitemare. It would also destroy every ounce of confidence people have in the voting process. Nothing but bad would become of something like this.
How can he be immune when he didn't qualify for president. That would mean he isn't really president wouldn't it? It should be demanded this is settled before the vote I would think.
Jane
Don't hold me to this because I'm not 100% sure but I believe if Obama gets elected the case is put on hold until he is no longer POTUS. That said after the term is up and if he is found to not be a citizen he and every one involved should see some very serious charges. I'd imagine treason would be possible. Any laws signed while he is POTUS should become null and void ( not sure they would) and any pardons should be instantly rejected.
I don't think he would be allowed to stay in office. A Supreme court decision would be made swiftly and he would have to be removed from office. My question is, would the VP automatically assume the Presidency? If it were to happen prior to the election, who would become the Democratic nominee? Hillary? Biden? Alfred E. Newman?
If this was found to be true I would think he would have to leave office, probably in cuffs. McCain Palin being declared the winners by default. There is no way he would get to stay. I don't think it would be the end of peoples confidence, but it would be the end of the democratic party as we know and love it today.
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I certainly hope this is not true for sooo many reasons, but I think it should be looked into in a timely manner.
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My thoughts on it would be that, if he were removed from office, his VP, Biden, would assume the executive post, as Biden's election would probably stand as being valid. If they threw both out, speaker of the house would take the top spot for the remainder of the term. Pelosi. I can't envision them nullifing the entire election tho.
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Posts: 33118 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
My thoughts on it would be that, if he were removed from office, his VP, Biden, would assume the executive post, as Biden's election would probably stand as being valid. If they threw both out, speaker of the house would take the top spot for the remainder of the term. Pelosi. I can't envision them nullifing the entire election tho.
Now there is a scary thought, Speaker Pelosi in the Whitehouse. Fear is your friend.
That snopes only covers the point was his mom too young and was never mentioned in the video posted above. The video talks about where he was born, and whether or not he was a citizen of Indonesia when he was a kid.
Jim
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Posts: 797 From: Douglasville, GA Registered: Jul 2007
The original compliant was filed on 8/21/2008 in the PA eastern district court. At this point it is in the courts hands.
Obama and the DNC have filed a motion for dismissal on 9/29/2008 and a motion to delay discovery until after the motion for dismissal is decided.
I find it intriguing that the case has not been dismissed as of yet. The dismissal motion looks very solid, but basically says Berg doesn’t have the right to sue Obama and the DNC.
Considering how long the judge is taking to decide makes me wonder if there is something here.
And for the record the guy who filed the suite is a long time Democrat and a Hilary supporter. The Judge hearing the case was appointed by Bill Clinton and some believe he is a Democrat.
Here's the next charge, against McCain, Obama's campaign will be concentrating on. They are claiming he will cut health care benefits. The charges are not based on facts. http://hosted.ap.org/dynami...&source=nletter-news
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
I went to the website and looked at Obama's birth certificate ( link ). If it does turn out to be a forgery, then I hope he receives his due punishment. Because trying to lie your way into the Oval Office is a serious transgression. On the other had, if this turns out to be just a Republican power play, then I hope they get what's coming too. Because trying to smear a valid candidate out of office is just as disingenuous as lying to get into office.
So how exactly did someone insert a fake birth certificate into Hawaii's public records? Don't they hold the original? Wouldn't they comment that they don't have it and therefore the one being shown is a fake? Parents aren't given the original, they are given a certified copy.
I don't believe you can wander in and just ask for a new birth certificate to be created. I can understand taking over someone's identify and therefore claiming an existing birth certification as your own, but getting an original generated is not that easy. Maybe Hawaii just makes them for anyone that wants one?
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exoticse Member
Posts: 8655 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
Guys do you Honestly think that the background of someone running for president would not be run over by the secret service, FBI, and whomever with a fine tooth comb ??
Personally, I am ready for Obama or McCain to move us away from the Bush years, whoever is elected by due process. For the sake of our country, however, I think Obama should make full disclosure before the election. The 'standing' argument sure appears like a last-resort effort to avoid having to comply. This fellow Berg should have standing as a registered Democrat, at least, b/c Berg and every other Democrat are being injured (disenfranchised) since they can't vote for a legitimate candidate, if the allegations are true, that is. Obama could make this go away practically overnight if he would just pony up the documents. If someone would do some REAL investigative reporting, like Bob Woodward in Watergate, they would step right into the News Hall of Fame.
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jimbolaya Member
Posts: 10652 From: Virginia Beach, Virginia Registered: Feb 2007
I went to the website and looked at Obama's birth certificate ( link ). If it does turn out to be a forgery, then I hope he receives his due punishment. Because trying to lie your way into the Oval Office is a serious transgression. On the other had, if this turns out to be just a Republican power play, then I hope they get what's coming too. Because trying to smear a valid candidate out of office is just as disingenuous as lying to get into office.
Well, it's not a Republican power play. This is being done by Democrats. The filer of the suit is a Hillary supporter and the sitting judge was appointed by Bill Clinton. The questions need to be answered. Obama could end this in 5 seconds, by producing his birth certificate and medical records, but he will not do it. What does he have to lose, except the Presidency?
Originally posted by exoticse: Guys do you Honestly think that the background of someone running for president would not be run over by the secret service, FBI, and whomever with a fine tooth comb ??
Can you imagine the uproar (from Democrats) that would ensue if George Bush ordered the FBI and/or CIA to investigate Barack Obama? After the media picked it up and ran with it, it would turn into a 3-ring circus.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
John McCain wasn't born in ANY state of the United States. Hell, the man was born in Central America! This is a trivial nonissue.
What does McCain have to do with this? Use some of that intellectual honesty and stay on subject. McCain was born to American citizens on an American base. That's not the same as Obama being possible born in America or not. Your dishonest attempt at obfuscation is typical and so is your lame attempt to dismiss this as "trivial". If you think the possibility of an ineligible person running for POTUS is "trivial" and "non-issue" then you really need to reexamine your self and learn what integrity and honesty are. It seems to be a real issue for Obama who has used every legal maneuver he can to avoid it instead of just sending Berg and his "non-issue" packing. But its typical of Obama to avoid his past as much as possible.
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Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Originally posted by Jeremiah: John McCain wasn't born in ANY state of the United States. Hell, the man was born in Central America! This is a trivial nonissue.
Apparently, you're not familiar with the definition of the term "natural born citizen". Read and learn.
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Posts: 797 From: Douglasville, GA Registered: Jul 2007
John McCain wasn't born in ANY state of the United States. Hell, the man was born in Central America! This is a trivial nonissue.
A lawsuit was also brought against John McCain challenging his citizenship. He was born on a military base in panama. He very quickly provided any and all paper work needed to prove his citizenship. Obama to date has only shown a birth certificate, which was printed out in 2006or2007. He has shown this to a bias website and that’s all so for as the public knows for fact. He is fighting discovery (having to show documents) in the court case. McCain was only to glad to show his paper work. Why is Obama hiding behind lawyers?
There is a common belief amongst folks like us who rely on the Internet for information. That belief is that what you see is legitimate. Most often true, but, as a guy trained in frauds and document examination I can tell you this. A copy posted on a webpage may or may not be legitimate. The technology to produce very precise representations of legal documents is very developed. The discussion we can have in this forum is largely subject to our own biasses and willingness to believe one or another source.
The courts are the place for this to be resolved. If the allegation is true, the courts have the means to determine if it is true or not with forensic examination of the documents. We don't. I find it to be really unfortunate that the USA is likely to get a President that such an issue is hanging over his head. If he is found to be an alien, it won't be hard for him to get naturalization. However, such a finding would be a true tragedy for the American people. And, I perish the thought of Biden as the President. Too bad the American People don't have the means of expediting that court case.
Of course if I were an American, I wouldn't be supporting his election in any event.
Arn
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
For the record I have two birth Certificates. One with my blood father, the other with my adopted father. Both look identical save for the parents.
Mom didn't even notice the difference until I pointed it out to her. She figured the one after the adoption would show (adopted) an asterisk or something.
The second one is obviously not accurate, however it is the legal document I use for everything, recognized by the state. I don't think it would be too difficult to get one from any state. The illegals do it all the time.
For the record I have two birth Certificates. One with my blood father, the other with my adopted father. Both look identical save for the parents.
Mom didn't even notice the difference until I pointed it out to her. She figured the one after the adoption would show (adopted) an asterisk or something.
The second one is obviously not accurate, however it is the legal document I use for everything, recognized by the state. I don't think it would be too difficult to get one from any state. The illegals do it all the time.
Brad
Is this a document from the state in which you were born with the correct birth information though? I can see them issuing one for new parents, but I can't see them issuing one with false birth information.
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