quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: There is mounting evidence that near the end of the last ice age ( 12900 yrs.ago ) a comet or asteroid more than a mile in diameter either impacted the ice sheet or exploded over Northern Canada. This sent the planet back into a shorter ice age know as the (New Drias) that lasted another 800 yrs. This accounts for the Pliocene mega fauna extinctions, the end of the Clovis Culture. This is a relatively new theory and is only recently gained some acceptance. The idea that legends contain a degree of historical fact , may explain the Thunder bird, and Feathered Serpent stories across the Americas. Not bad descriptions of a comet.

Wow, this is pretty sophisticated, and worthy of thought. I'd like to interpolate on it a little. We Americans are at this point a product of Mid-Eastern religion and philosophy - that whole Judeo-Christian thing via Hellinic reasoning... SO... the bible doesn't really allude to dinosaurs. There's no catastrophic stuff falling out of the sky until later in the old testament (Soddom and Gehmorrah) but it does have a flood. At a relatively ancient point in human existence. If you consider the geographic position of the middle east opposed to that event suggested above, perhaps that's what they experienced. I would have to believe that they saw it coming? Hence God warning Noah 40 years in advance.

Just a thought.

so - how long is the mayan calender anyways? (say XXX) if it ends in 2012 - when did it start? and, what happened at the time of the start? and every XXX years - what happened? can we actually see some examples?

Mayan calendar started of course with the Mayans. It did not continue or repeat each year. It went from its inception till the day they predicted that civilization will end. Some things, as in ours, did repeat as the equinox, solstice, moon cycle, etc, from year to year. Do a search and you will find many web pages devoted to the Mayan calander. The way it was broken down (ie months) is more accurate than our present calendar.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Mayan calendar started of course with the Mayans. It did not continue or repeat each year. It went from its inception till the day they predicted that civilization will end. Some things, as in ours, did repeat as the equinox, solstice, moon cycle, etc, from year to year. Do a search and you will find many web pages devoted to the Mayan calander. The way it was broken down (ie months) is more accurate than our present calendar.

lol - cute - I mean starting date - as in dec 22 2012 is the ending date - what is the starting date? what is the span? and - what has happened in the past at each span?

These bits of wisdom from the Myan Calendar (per Wikipedia):

Divination
Each day of the Tzolk'in has a Patron Spirit who influences events. Ah K'in, the Maya shaman-priest, whose title means "Day Keeper", read the Tzolk'in to determine the answers to yes/no questions as well as more complex questions involving health, wealth and family. The Sacred Calendar is also used to set the most auspicious dates for household, lineage, and community rituals.

There are several forms of Maya Calendar divination employing the sacred coral seeds which each Calendar diviner carries in a small bag with crystals and 'other small things' (Tozzer 1941).

The Precolumbian Maya practiced a form of Bibliomancy, in which they would cast the seeds upon a calendar to determine the good and bad days for the year.

Wayeb'
The five nameless days at the end of the calendar called Wayeb' were thought to be a dangerous time. Foster (2002) writes "During Wayeb, portals between the mortal realm and the Underworld dissolved. No boundaries prevented the ill-intending deities from causing disasters." To ward off these evil spirits, the Maya had customs and rituals they practiced during Wayeb'. For example, people avoided leaving their houses or washing or combing their hair.


So, deciding which days are bad by tossing seeds and seeing where they land, the last five days are Evil becuase they didn't have names of daykeepers to protect them? So they believed time would end because?....Their math was flawed and didn't go any farther?

The Mayan calender started September 6th, 3114 BC or spans 5026 yrs.

[This message has been edited by Wolfhound (edited 08-27-2008).]

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: The Mayan calender started September 6th, 3114BC or spans 5026 yrs.

TY

hmmm - when was noahs flood?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Sure, if certain people knew (like our government), they could plan for a few hundred or so to survive, put all the food necessary, power generation, and so on. But 99% of the people wouldn't make it.

Sounds like a movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120647/

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: TY hmmm - when was noahs flood?

Biblical chronology has it at 2348BC, with creation happening either 3929 BC or 4004BC (debated)

But the different cultures of people's concepts of time don't Jive, so you'd have to take into account when Myans say creation was, if they do.

[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 08-27-2008).]

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Sounds like a movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120647/

Absolutely. Whoever wrote that movie did their research, because it was quite plausible about what the government might do.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: But the different cultures of people's concepts of time don't Jive, so you'd have to take into account when Myans say creation was, if they do.

Yeah, even the 'year' hasn't always been 365.25 days long... I think the Jewish calander was 360 days with a 'fix' every so often to true things up.

quote The Year of Jubilee "You are to count seven weeks of years -- seven times seven years, that is to say a period of seven weeks of years, forty-nine years. And on the tenth day of the seventh month you shall sound the trumpet; on the Day of Atonement you shall sound the trumpet throughout the land. You will declare this fiftieth year sacred and proclaim the liberation of all the inhabitants of the land. This is to be a jubilee for you; each of you will return to his ancestral home, each to his own clan. This fiftieth year is to be a jubilee year for you: you will not sow, you will not harvest the ungathered corn, you will not gather from the untrimmed vine. The jubilee is to be a holy thing to you; you well eat what comes from the field. In this year of jubilee each of you is to return to his ancestral home." (Lev.25:8-19)

<EDIT> To Add:

quote Sabbatical Year The seventh year, during which the fields were to be left fallow (Leviticus 25:1-7) and debts released (Deuteronomy 15:1-11) [is called in] Hebrew Shemitah (“Release”). The seven years are counted in the cycle of fifty culminating in the Jubilee [see below] and are known by tradition. The year 2000/1, for instance, [was] a Sabbatical year. In order to avoid the cancellation of all debts, a serious hardship in our commercial society, the device was introduced even in Talmudic times of handing the debts over before the end of the Sabbatical year, to a temporary court consisting of three persons, the debts then being considered to have been paid to the court beforehand. Jubilee (Jubilee is) the institution described in the book of Leviticus (25:8-24) where it is stated that a series of forty-nine years [was] to be counted (there is considerable uncertainty as to the date from when the counting is to begin, but traditionally it is from the creation of the world) and every fiftieth year declared a special year during which there was to be no agricultural work; all landed property was to revert to its original owner; and slaves were to be set free. The name Jubilee is from the Hebrew word yovel, “ram’s horn,” the year being so called because a ram’s horn was sounded when it was proclaimed (Leviticus 25:9). Since this verse says: “[Proclaim liberty] throughout the land for all its inhabitants,” the Talmudic view is that the Jubilee was not observed during the Second Temple period because the majority of Jews no longer lived in the land of Israel.

[This message has been edited by USFiero (edited 08-27-2008).]

In 2012, I plan on reclining in my Italian Leather lounge stuffed with Bavarian Duck Down while sipping a cheeky Cabernet in one hand and running the other through my hand sculpted state of the art hair creation and lighting my hand rolled Havana cigar with a $1000 bill while waving to the peasants as they parade by my castle.

I'll keep you posted on the progress of my plan.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: In 2012, I plan on reclining in my Italian Leather lounge stuffed with Bavarian Duck Down while sipping a cheeky Cabernet in one hand and running the other through my hand sculpted state of the art hair creation and lighting my hand rolled Havana cigar with a $1000 bill while waving to the peasants as they parade by my castle. I'll keep you posted on the progress of my plan.

I'll be sure to wave as I pass by in my personal jet.

It's good to be a Republican, eh?

[This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 08-27-2008).]

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Biblical chronology has it at 2348BC, with creation happening either 3929 BC or 4004BC (debated) But the different cultures of people's concepts of time don't Jive, so you'd have to take into account when Myans say creation was, if they do.

To be absolutly correct about the begining of the Mayan Calender, Due to the varance in calender systems you can only use the Mayan calender. In which case the begining is The year one.

So then if they coincide, would the Flood be at year 1652 in the Myan calendar, if we use 4000BC as the Myan year 1? Where were you headed with this Pyrthian?
I am still not clear if the Myan calendar used 250 days or 365 or what though.

[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 08-27-2008).]

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So then if they coincide, the Flood would be at year 1652 in the Myan calendar, if we use 4000BC as the Myan year 1. Where were you headed with this Pyrthian? I am still not clear if the Myan calendar used 250 days or 365 or what though.

just wondering if anything "big" coincided with the end of the last Mayan Calender cycle....like the noahs flood - or any other mighty events. polar shift? ice age? heavy meteor impact? anything? mighty volcano blast?

Just off the top of my head, but the Mayan calendar predicted that their greatest king or god (a bearded caucasian) would reappear by a certain date...coincided with Cortez appearance and destruction of the Mayan empire by him and his troops.

[This message has been edited by rogergarrison (edited 08-27-2008).]

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: just wondering if anything "big" coincided with the end of the last Mayan Calender cycle....like the noahs flood - or any other mighty events. polar shift? ice age? heavy meteor impact? anything? mighty volcano blast?

NEMESIS



<EDIT> TO ADD SMILEY <--- wish there was one with a tin foil hat

[This message has been edited by USFiero (edited 08-27-2008).]

FIERO5, any comments on our responses?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I'll be sure to wave as I pass by in my personal jet. It's good to be a Republican, eh?

If I was a republican I would just have to shoot myself in the head.
In 2012 I plan on still making fun of people that think their party is all mighty with all the answers.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Some uninformed questions: I don't know about Myan calendars. How does a Calendar end? Aren't they repetitive year to year? If there somehow is an ending is it because thats how far they wrote before the last Myan was dead and no one else could write the Myan Calendar?

Pretty much.

I got the truth from a friend of a friends whos friends cousin went to Mexico and saw for themselves.

Seems the dude who was chiseling the calender got tired and pee'd-off at the job, and decided to go for a couple cold beers.

On the way back he got run over by an alpaca, so never finished the job, and nobody else gave enough of a crap to take over. Dec 23, 2012 is just the date that he got thirsty at.

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Pretty much. I got the truth from a friend of a friends whos friends cousin went to Mexico and saw for themselves. Seems the dude who was chiseling the calender got tired and pee'd-off at the job, and decided to go for a couple cold beers. On the way back he got run over by an alpaca, so never finished the job, and nobody else gave enough of a crap to take over. Dec 23, 2012 is just the date that he got thirsty at.

lol - nice

it is circle based. dec 23 being a solstice - just one of the circles - the earth orbit around the sun circle. it includes the lunar orbit circle, and some others - which I cant remeber right now....a few planets, and - the fun part - the sun position vs the milky way.

edit - it is more a "gearset" than a calender

[This message has been edited by Pyrthian (edited 08-28-2008).]

quote Originally posted by 2.5: FIERO5, any comments on our responses?

He's out back finishing up the escape pod.
'Thanks for all the fish!'

quote Originally posted by Gecko: What happens if the world as we know it ends in 2012. BUT in 2009 you finish your time machine early and travel to 2013?

he dies.
lol