quote Originally posted by DtheC: Detention of Japanese Americans was Not universal over the US. It was usually only those living on the west coast, or other sensitive areas!!! Shizz, what happened with Rodney King, a few years before that it was Martin Luther King? California has more than its fair share of 'quick thinking people', I'm resolved to enjoy a slower Mid-west pace. Italian Americans, German Americans, detention was so marginal a percentage of the first / second generation to be a non-factor, very few were interned, sep't for azzholes. Get your quote correct on 'Opera Singers'. Todd you leave yourself open on this, you keep pushing this non-factoid.

So what you are saying is that because it was a relatively small number of people who lost their freedom it's OK?

FYI, in 1941 there were 127,000 Japanese Americans living in the US, almost ALL living int he western States. 120,000 of them were interned at 10 different camps. More than 94%!

What if YOU were among them? And the Opera Singers quote is accurate, "not to worry about the efficacy of Italians during World War II since they were just a bunch of opera singers".

And please, Rodney King and Martin Luther King? ...in the same sentence? You kidding?

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: So what you are saying is that because it was a relatively small number of people who lost their freedom it's OK?

Thats the way I read it. Kinda sad, it's okay as long as it isn't me or anyone I know.

What I find the most interesting in this thread is the views of those who live nearest. If you haven't lived around DC, you have no idea how bad it is there. It's a shame the Nation's Capital is the way it is. Nice place to visit, but only if you know where you are going and the best ways (multiple ones are best) to get in and out.

My family is originally from Prince Georges County, MD, and there are multiple reasons why we don't live there any more. I've lived in and around a lot of large cities (Boston, Seattle, Jacksonvile, Memphis), and I've never felt so uncomfortable as I do in DC.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Original Article Can you say Police State? The Examiner has the scoop on a controversial new program announced today that would create so-called "Neighborhood Safety Zones" which would serve to partially seal off certain parts of the city. D.C. Police would set-up checkpoints in targeted areas, demand to see ID and refuse admittance to people who don't live there, work there or have a “legitimate reason” to be there. Wow. Just, wow. *snip* Discuss

So visiting isn't legit in this country anymore? Last i heard this was a free country and i could go visit any public street 'just because'.

This is what happens when its citizens aren't allowed to protect themselves.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: So visiting isn't legit in this country anymore? Last i heard this was a free country and i could go visit any public street 'just because'. This is what happens when its citizens aren't allowed to protect themselves.

You live and always have lived in the bright, cheery side of Indy or smaller cities, haven't you? Trust me, if you haven't lived in or near a ghetto, you wouldn't say what I just quoted you as saying.

quote Originally posted by aceman: You live and always have lived in the bright, cheery side of Indy or smaller cities, haven't you? Trust me, if you haven't lived in or near a ghetto, you wouldn't say what I just quoted you as saying.

I was born in cook county Ill, i also went to college in the chicago area. Another area where its citizens are forbidden to protect themselves with a high crime rate. I have friends that live in the bad sides of indy as well, ( bodies being dropped off in the streets, multiple person murders, drive bys, so i think it qualifies as bad ) and crime here does tend to stay away from the areas where the people put up a fight.

i think if you were able to legally protect yourself, the ''ghettos" wouldn't be as bad as they are. Would it fix everything? No of course not, i'm not so naive to think that is the only issue they have that is contributing, but i do feel it would at least be a step in the right direction. Criminals do tend to pray on easy targets, and if they know you can fight back, they might just go find another person to rob that day. Get enough people that can fight back, they might just move to other areas to find the easier fruit.

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Discuss

Not knowing all of the "facts" but IMO sealing off certain areas of the city isn't a good idea and raises some serious questions.

1. Once the areas are sealed off, do the city officals patrol "inside" these areas or do they let the remaining criminals run amuck, like in the movie "New Jack City?"
2. If they've assigned officers inside are the number enough to curb the violence?
3. The officers assigned; are they bad cops or good cops?
4. Is there a complaint department if someone's rights are violated by officers?

My "gut" feeling is; the city's attempt at hoarding a bunch of people without trying to solve the real issues. If it was "me" I'd leave the city and opt to live in a better community. If I didn't have the resources to move, I'd plead with "well-to-do" relatives to help me move, get a education, and then a paying job outside major cites. I like living outside major cites any way and I don't need "bragging rights"; a small town will do.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I was born in cook county Ill, i also went to college in the chicago area. Another area where its citizens are forbidden to protect themselves with a high crime rate. I have friends that live in the bad sides of indy as well, ( bodies being dropped off in the streets, multiple person murders, drive bys, so i think it qualifies as bad ) and crime here does tend to stay away from the areas where the people put up a fight. i think if you were able to legally protect yourself, the ''ghettos" wouldn't be as bad as they are. Would it fix everything? No of course not, i'm not so naive to think that is the only issue they have that is contributing, but i do feel it would at least be a step in the right direction. Criminals do tend to pray on easy targets, and if they know you can fight back, they might just go find another person to rob that day. Get enough people that can fight back, they might just move to other areas to find the easier fruit.

And I'm sure you look at your wife or girlfriend at 9pmat night and say, "Hey. how about we go over to Bob and Mary's on the bad side of town and drink some martinis and grill some T-Bones." You don't! Why? Because you have no frikken business being in the sh!thole of the city. Bob and Mary 99 out of 100 times would come from the sh!thole to see you in your nice neighborhood to do legal business and legal social activities! There are plenty of business and social activities being conduct by outsiders in the bad parts of cities after dark, but it sure ain't legal!

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Not knowing all of the "facts" but IMO sealing off certain areas of the city isn't a good idea and raises some serious questions. 1. Once the areas are sealed off, do the city officals patrol "inside" these areas or do they let the remaining criminals run amuck, like in the movie "New Jack City?" 2. If they've assigned officers inside are the number enough to curb the violence? 3. The officers assigned; are they bad cops or good cops? 4. Is there a complaint department if someone's rights are violated by officers? My "gut" feeling is; the city's attempt at hoarding a bunch of people without trying to solve the real issues. If it was "me" I'd leave the city and opt to live in a better community. If I didn't have the resources to move, I'd plead with "well-to-do" relatives to help me move, get a education, and then a paying job outside major cites. I like living outside major cites any way and I don't need "bragging rights"; a small town will do.

1 They hope to lay siege and "starve" the drug dealers out by cutting off the clientele traffic. No customers (ie: people who have no business there) no money, no drugs, less crime. These areas are bad. Very bad. I don't think most people understand just how bad it is.

2 D.C. has more armed law enforcement personal (from over 20 federal and local forces) per square block then any where else in the world. If a concerted effort was made yes crime could be drastically cut.

3 Wont know. but if you but enough cops in an area the bad cops will get caught by the good ones if they do bad things.

4 Yes there is. Every police force has mechanisms to bring complaints.

quote Originally posted by aceman: And I'm sure you look at your wife or girlfriend at 9pmat night and say, "Hey. how about we go over to Bob and Mary's on the bad side of town and drink some martinis and grill some T-Bones." You don't! Why? Because you have no frikken business being in the sh!thole of the city. Bob and Mary 99 out of 100 times would come from the sh!thole to see you in your nice neighborhood to do legal business and legal social activities! There are plenty of business and social activities being conduct by outsiders in the bad parts of cities after dark, but it sure ain't legal!

I have to disagree, i go over there far more then they come here ( speaking of the friend that had a body dropped off in the street in front of her house a few years ago, and lives 2 blocks away from our last multiple homicide ). And we happen to be doing legal activities.

Not everything that happens in-town at night is illegal. Some people are just stuck there due to finances ( or family history ) but are still law abiding people.

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: Not everything that happens in-town at night is illegal. Some people are just stuck there due to finances ( or family history ) but are still law abiding people.

Just a majority of it is illegal, though. That that isn't illegal is being conducted by THOSE THAT LIVE WITHIN THAT AREA.

quote Originally posted by aceman: And I'm sure you look at your wife or girlfriend at 9pmat night and say, "Hey. how about we go over to Bob and Mary's on the bad side of town and drink some martinis and grill some T-Bones." You don't! Why?

9pm? Try 10 or 11pm sunday tru thursday. Friday and saturday is usually when the pigs are out lurking for dollars. Usuaaly it's ribs, chicken, hocs, and naturally liqueur. Just about any time of the day or night someone has something cooking on the grill somewhere in town. Many "white folks" call the area the "bad section" but it really isnt. Just ordinary people doing what ordinary people do. It's not like Whiteville, these people actually socialize with one another daily. The "street" knows everything.

quote Just a majority of it is illegal, though.

Common misconception among whites.

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