Please - Agent Ben Dover is too funny NOT to use. What about another little "delay" for a "visit" to the Emergency Room after a little road rage incident.
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09:28 AM
Patrick Member
Posts: 36547 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
. I feel I’ve led scammer #1 along for long enough at this phase of the game, so now we advance to the second stage where we supply a name and mailing address. Due to popular demand, I've chosen “Ben Dover” as the name , but I wanted to select a ..... ummm, secure environment as a home address. This then is my latest email to scammer #1:
I forwarded the informations you sent me to eBay Square Trade. You will receive an invoice from them. Please follow their instructions exactly. Please let me know when you receive the invoice. Thanks
This was followed shortly thereafter by an invoice. Looks pretty convincing except for the fact that this scammer, who has been using the name of Matthew Mulholland in all his emails (and supposedly living in Florida), now wants me to send the payment to someone named Derek Folens in London, England!
Here’s a screen shot of part of the invoice:
Yes, I altered the address and zip code. I may give this a$$hole’s complete address later, but for legal reasons I thought I’d keep it under wraps for a little while. At some point of course I should bring this to the attention of eBay or possibly some law enforcement organization who can hopefully cause this b*st*rd some grief. Sure, we’re just having some fun at the moment, but it’s important to remember that this prick is trying to steal people’s money.
Anyway, I’m not done stringing this scammer along just yet....
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craigsfiero2007 Member
Posts: 3979 From: Livermore, ME Registered: Aug 2007
Wow, the ones I got from the DeLorean scammers looked a bit more convincing. I always used M. McFly and E. Brown for the names, and I used an empty lot near DMC Houston as the address.
Next thing to do is either a) have him fill out fake forms, or b) send him fake WU reciept numbers. if you think he's REALLY desperate and won't quit, the fake forms are much more ammusing. Have him fill them out IN PEN, scan them, and send them as email attachments. If you're lucky he'll have to go out and buy a printer and/or scanner to do this. For example, being my address was in Florida, I downloaded a form from the Florida DMV and sent it to him to fill out after making a few changes to it in MS Paint. These also make great trophys.
Next thing would be to get fake Western Union reciept numbers, these are called MTCN numbers. "I sent the funds like you said, the MTCN is ______" Then he'll walk to the nearest WU, and they'll tell him the number is invalid. You can usually do this three times:
The first time, leave one number off the end.
next, a regular fake number
then say you mixed up the first two numbers 4239... becomes 2439...
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Patrick Member
Posts: 36547 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Next thing to do is either a) have him fill out fake forms, or b) send him fake WU reciept numbers...
Heh heh, I suspect you have some experience doing this kind of stuff.
I think I understand option B (as I did a bit of research on the 'net about it), but what are these "fake forms" in option A that you're referring to (keeping in mind that it's not a car that's involved)? I'd love to be able to screw this cretin around as much as possible.
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Tell him Western Union just instituted new money transfer rules here in the US (he's probably in Nigeria, but where is his alter-ego from? You could say these rules apply only to 8 states or something) and make up a form in MS Word, with a Western Union logo at the top, some other legal-looking stuff, etc. and include a bunch of question for him to answer, like
Name: _____________________ Address:___________________ ___________________________ Country:____________________ Occupation:_________________ Is this money going to someone you know? Y/N Will this money be used for any illegal activity? Y/N Have you ever been convicted of a felony? Y/N If yes to above, what crime? ___________________ ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ Sexual orientation:____________________________
etc.
After you finish the form is MS Word, print it out, scan it back into the computer (so it looks like you picked up the form from WU) and have him fill it out IN PEN, not typed, and send it back to you.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 36547 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Tell him Western Union just instituted new money transfer rules here in the US (he's probably in Nigeria, but where is his alter-ego from?)
Hey, I'm in Canada!
How can I tell where this scammer actually lives. The name and address on the invoice was for someone in London England, but does that mean anything? Can a scammer from Nigeria pick the money up in Nigeria when a name and address in another country is used? I have absolutely no experience using Western Union, so I don't know how it works at all.
In the meantime, I'm interested in hearing an explanation from scammer #1 (who has been using the name Matthew Mulholland in all his emails) why the name Derek Folens is on the invoice. Should be interesting.
Matthew, I received the invoice and I'm very excited about completing this deal. I'm all set to go to the local Western Union to send the money, but I have one quick question. Who is Derek Folens and why is his name on the invoice? I just want to make sure you get the money and not some stranger we don't know. Please check into this and get back to me as soon as possible. I'm looking forward to taking videos with my new camcorder, surfing the internet on my new laptop, and wearing my beautiful new watch. Thanks so much.
You can tell where he is from the IP addresses in the headers of the email. Look for an IP trace in google, type in the IP, and it'll show where that IP is.
Being in London: There are three possibilities: 1) He actually is in London, 2) He has an accomplice in London, or 3) He's scamming someone in London, telling them to go pick up the money, and send it to him. Lonond is a big town, so it may not be possible to contact Derek Folens, but sometimes you can contact them annonymously and warn them of the scam.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 36547 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
. This is quite interesting and informative. I used This site to track the Originating-Ip from the Invoice email. That gave me enough information to check the database Here which in turn provided me with a name, address, phone number, etc. It turns out this particular email came from a scumbucket based in Romania, probably a friggen gypsy! (I suspect many gypsies have graduated from being pickpocket artists to internet scammers.)
I didn't have as much luck tracking the emails from the two scammers who contacted me originally. The Originating-Ip from scammer #1 (who was responsible for me eventually receiving the Invoice email) only seems to get me to Yahoo's location in Sunnyvale CA. Same problem with scammer #2 as his Originating-Ip only takes me to AOL headquarters in Manassas VA. Is it possible I'm using the wrong Originating-Ip for these two guys (as I do find the email headers somewhat confusing), or are they hidden "behind" Yahoo/AOL?
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Patrick Member
Posts: 36547 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
. It’s been a few days since I’ve posted in this thread, but that doesn’t mean nothing’s been going on!
I’ve been emailing back and forth with scammer #1 on a daily basis. I’ll report on those activities in my next post, but first I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to get involved.
Apparently scammer #2 had half a brain and realized I was onto him. He never responded or contacted me again when I asked him if he also had any gold jewelry to sell after I had "won big money at the dog fights over the weekend”.
Anyway, since scammer #2 won’t play along with ME anymore, here’s a chance for YOU to have some fun. The email address for scammer #2 is johngarrett33@aol.com and the entire email header from one of his emails is copied below (in case it might be helpful). There must be something that the smart cookies here at PFF can do to mess with this low-life scumbucket. Bonus points will be awarded to whomever can be the most creative and hopefully... the most punishing.
Give it your best shot! Make him sweat, cost him money, get him arrested, do whatever you can.
, but I wanted to select a ..... ummm, secure environment as a home address. This then is my latest email to scammer #1:
(I suspect many gypsies have graduated from being pickpocket artists to internet scammers.)
