quote Originally posted by Rainman: You can lead a horse to water...

Evidently not.
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quote Originally posted by Rainman: ... I called, emailed, called again those friends who always complain about their jobs, informing them I was interviewing the positions and starting pay would be 2-3 times their current salary (if they negotiate right), at $80K+. I couldn't get a single one of them to email me a resume. ...

If you were to mention a job opportunity at pretty much any place in this town that is actually considering hiring someone with less than a certification from God himself, I'd be all over it like PFF mocking a riced Fiero.

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quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: Well the list is huge but I’m kind of like a jack of all trades master of none sort of deal............. There honestly is not a lot I can't do.

How bout find a job

Can you say "Welcome to Mcdonalds can I take your order please"?

Not having a job leaves the question "are you employable or willing to work"

Having a job well You see the point here?

I certainly don't fault you for wanting to get that "decent job" from the one you just come from but sometimes you got to get your foot in a door before they'll let you peep inside.

If you want to come to Reno(or Las Vegas, or Tucson, or Phoenix, or SLC, or Boise, etc.) and sort of start over for a while, there are lots of jobs. Retail, gaming, warehouse, truck & bus driving, etc. They don't pay very well, but they aren't any kind of permanent jobs anyhow. And if you're willing to bust your butt for a while, there are $20 per hour jobs doing construction (lots of construction in the west these days) doing framing, concrete, roofing, etc. and you'll get to learn spanish as a fringe benefit.

Nice thing about Nevada is there's no state income tax, and Fieros are moderately ($40 per year) cheap to register. (And Fieros don't rust here, either.)

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: If you were to mention a job opportunity at pretty much any place in this town that is actually considering hiring someone with less than a certification from God himself, I'd be all over it like PFF mocking a riced Fiero.

I have no degrees. No certifications. I have a few semesters of college and nothing more. I got my foot in the door of the software development world by accepting a 4-day temp job with a temp agency at a large worldwide legal information company. It was to fill the shoes of a full-time employee in his absence while he buried his father out of state. On the 4th day of that stint, which was to be my last day, they offered me to stay which I accepted and worked there 3 years, while learning and climbing the ladder. 6 years later, I have a nearly 6-figure income and I'm a team lead/manager, overseeing multiple projects and people on and offshore.

If I hadn't accepted a 4-day temp job, who knows what I'd be doing right now. And to think, I almost turned down that temp job when it was offered to me. I got the call as I was walking through the parking garage at college on my way to the Fiero after class. I remember it was $12/hour and I was thinking 4-days and $12/hour, why waste my time? I was 20 at the time, young and stupid.

Sometimes you don't see the opportunity until after it has passed. Take what you can get, maybe it will turn into something.

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Not the type of work your used too, but if you want a high paying job there are tons of them here now. Oil and gas fields, mines, railroad, construction. I'm not sure what pay you think is good, but most of the jobs I just mentioned pay between $12 and $30 per hour.

quote Originally posted by Butter: How bout find a job Can you say "Welcome to Mcdonalds can I take your order please"? Not having a job leaves the question "are you employable or willing to work" Having a job well You see the point here? I certainly don't fault you for wanting to get that "decent job" from the one you just come from but sometimes you got to get your foot in a door before they'll let you peep inside.

in a worst case situation yeah i'll hand out frys... i have a kid to think about. I'm just trying to find something better then mc d's or buger king. yes i'm employable and willing to work but right this second i have a little time to search and pray for something decent before i have to say those dreaded words. "welcome to good burger, home of the good burger can i take your order?" lol. at this time right now i'm getting unemployment but that will run out. I'm looking into a automotive detailing job for a ford stealership near me. we'll see... i have apps. and resume's all over the place around me but few calls and even fewer interveiws. Everything is just scarse here in new york... that's why i came on here to guage what is really out there maybe in different states. Thank you to all of you who have helped.

Wichita
I've applied for a few of them... keeping fingers crossed. thanks again.

tutnkmn
sounds like fun but i honestly don't think it would pay enough. thank you though.

cliffw
Also sounds like a whole lot of fun and I’m not afraid of some grueling hard work I just don't think I have all that in me. I do work great under stress and the last job I had at IBM would make most people cringe and quit the job after seeing what needed to be done. I had 8 trainees quit because of the stress level of pressing VHDM connectors into circuit boards at over 3000lbs... over 1 billion tiny little pins a week pressed into thousands of dollars worth of circuit boards one pin missed = $5000 + worth of scrap. Everybody I worked with had 8+ scraps a year... I didn't even have 4 in six years that I was there. I'm going to start reading that thread in the morning all the way through. who knows maybe i do have what it takes and just don't know it.

{b]rainman[/b]
i was given a once in a lifetime chance for a great job and i was there for a little while till the owner shot himself in the head and they closed the place. his wife believed it was because his company was taking off so fast and all he ever wanted was something small. She said he was under pressure because if he didn't expand he would lose most of the contracts he had wich would have shut him down. it was building elevators from scratch. i used to make the control boxes and hydraulic pump assemblies. i loved it even though it was high stress as well.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: The computer industry is going the way of the auto industry. Outsourcing, Outsourcing, Outsourcing. Or Overseas, Overseas, Overseas. And the computer industry is doing it faster than the auto industry ever did. ...

I can attest to this. I went through one of the best programming uh.. programs... there is (or was before different management sent the ENTIRE COLLEGE to hell in a handbasket). In the months before my graduation, I saw computer-related outsourcing (overseas of course) rapidly accelerating to the point that I couldn't get a job, whereas jobs were practically guaranteed for all programming graduates before.

I've been called lazy and not wanting to work when I say the jobs are gone, but believe me... they're gone! Furthermore, my dad worked was the recruiting/job placement coordinator for this college and he saw what was happening. Hell, he wrote a paper and had it published at least 10-15 years before that happened.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: ... Seems that nowadays the only jobs you can get are from "friends" on the inside... make friends with a manager somewhere and that's the only shot you've got. Or be friends with someone who is related to the manager of something. Otherwise you may as well be handing out your resume and tediously-completed applications to a paper shredder...

It used to be that when things were "normal", 70 - 80% of jobs were obtained through "social networking"... by knowing someone. Now the employment situation across the US is generally in poorer condition (for employees, that is) so it has gotten even worse.

quote Originally posted by Butter: How bout find a job Can you say "Welcome to Mcdonalds can I take your order please"? Not having a job leaves the question "are you employable or willing to work" Having a job well You see the point here? I certainly don't fault you for wanting to get that "decent job" from the one you just come from but sometimes you got to get your foot in a door before they'll let you peep inside.

Having graduated from a program where I'd previously have been hired for $35 - 40,000 USD without even really trying, $60,000 after just a few years, things are now so bad that I can't even get a job doing something something like McDonald's, and yes I've tried. They want some high schooler that they can pay less and not worry about them wanting to quit, because it's the only job that that person can manage to keep.

Someone else said they were working a bunch of extra hours, because someone else was eliminated, and said something to the effect of "People aren't exactly lining up to work for $9 an hour at a bowling place". Well, quite honestly I'd love to! Immigrants are only taking jobs that nobody else would ever want to do? I don't f***ing think so... I'd love to do some of those jobs, and I have a high tech college degree, but I can't even compete with them now because I'm a young, white male.

I was working my ass off for $8.50 / hour, third shift while going to college full time, at the filthiest mental health institution I've ever seen. Every time you'd turn around, there was another horrifying health code violation or biohazard. The co-workers were unbearable, and the management was even worse, not to mention that they had no management qualifications in the first place and this resulted in many mental health patients being injured, most being verbally abused constantly, and one of them nearly killing himself because management simply didn't want to hear about it. I know, people always tell me that there are coworkers and bosses like that everywhere no matter what, but I was working with some people old enough to retire and they agreed that these were absolutely the sh***iest people they'd ever worked with in 60+ years. Some patients here had untreatable blood-borne diseases, tuberculosis, every hepatitis from A to Z, even a couple with HIV, yet at times we still didn't even have gloves to put on. This facility is widely known as "The Hole".

I'm not proud of working there, most people who worked there would never admit it to anyone, but I sure as hell wasn't scraping by on someone else's welfare taxes. These days I see young people (and I'm only 23) who are too goddam lazy to even call back to a potential employer after dropping off a resume, and I'm the one stuck without a job because they and minorities are still cheaper to employ.

Well, I'm sorry for ranting like that and hijacking the thread... honestly. This crap has just been building up for some time, and I can't take it any longer. No offense to those like Butter who think it's a simple as "How bout find a job", but it's honestly not like that in some places. Welcome to McDonald's, May I please take your order? Please?? $9 at a bowling place? Hallelujah! Where do I sign up?

Finally_Mine_86_GT, good luck to you.

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quote Originally posted by FieroGT42: Finally_Mine_86_GT, good luck to you.

To you too FieroGT42.
Actually, most luck is a byproduct of your efforts. I think you will do fine. Best wishes.

If you're looking for jobs, Ohio is a good place to look. It is very difficult not to find employment around here. There are so many people/companies in the area, no wonder its the 7th most populous state in the country. Within 60 minutes drive I can be in Cincinnati (2.1 million), Dayton (848K) , Columbus (1.7 million), 90 minutes to Indianapolis, IN (1.9 million). Those are all commuter cities, meaning people commute daily from all of those cities to other cities in the list. I live near one of them and commute to another. Doing that math, that's over 6.5 million people in the large city metro areas alone within 60-90 minutes radius and they all have to work/live somewhere which means tons of employment opportunities. Cleveland (2.2 million) is 2 hours from columbus.

Traffic is horrible though and it is difficult to find quiet solitude. I've been around the country, in many cities known for bad traffic. Boston, MA doesn't hold a candle to SW Ohio.

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Good news... I got a job that i start on the 12^th this month. It's not exactly what i was looking for but hey... gotta go with the flow. I'de like to thank everybody who tried to help. With my other good fortune (Here) that has been going on i think i might actually get what i've always wanted in life. Maybe not happy in my job but then again not many people are. so... thanks!