Go for it! Put up or shut up. p.s. I don't keep any PMs or emails and I'm not acussing you of anything, I'm just stating a fact about hateful PMs and myself. I'm not into holding grudges over petty things like you obviously are. I have better things to do with my time. Higher road indeed. Next thing you will be doing is run whinning to Cliff about getting me banned. Let me tell you something, Cliff hates whinners. If I'm such a bad person my ratings bar certainly does not reflect this, while yours has a higher percentage of red in it. If people on this forum really hate me that much I invite them to rate me accordingly and be rid of me. Right now you seem to be the only one on this forum with a burr under your saddle about me being back. I know there might be a few more here, but as long as I am following forum rules and Cliff's wishes you are going to have to learn to live with the fact that I will be posting on the forum from time to time. If you don't like this I suggest you do what I did and take a break from the forum to reconsider what you are doing here. Chasing others around the forum because their oppinion differs from yours is trolling and makes you a petty person. That is why I say that people like you make other people leave this forum and not post anymore. Post all you want about me but you better be able to back it up without looking petty.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38659 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Post all you want about me but you better be able to back it up without looking petty.
Oh, I think I'm doing okay.
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I don't keep any PMs or emails and I'm not acussing you of anything, I'm just stating a fact about hateful PMs and myself.
I have always stated that I would post any hateful PMs I receive, if that is what you are referring to.
If I'm such a bad person my ratings bar certainly does not reflect this, while yours has a higher percentage of red in it.
This has never been about a popularity contest, but I do have a question - For someone with such a high percentage of positive ratings, why is it you have (by your own admission) such a problem getting "hateful PMs"? Very strange. For all the red in my ratings bar, I don't recall ever receiving a "hateful" PM.
And just to make it clear a second time (as possibly the first time didn't completely register with you), my PMs to you were in no way "hateful".
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Originally posted by avengador1:
Right now you seem to be the only one on this forum with a burr under your saddle about me being back.
Chasing others around the forum because their oppinion differs from yours is trolling and makes you a petty person.
I couldn't care less about you "being back" or not, but perhaps you need to be reminded (due to your memory problems) as to why we're even having this discussion in the first place. Another forum member (Phranc) and I had earlier debated an issue in this thread which had nothing to do with you. After we both said our piece and had gone our separate ways, you came along (for the first time in this thread) and gave us both a shot and then proceded to tell us how the two of us should conduct ourselves in this forum.
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As for the two guys following each other around the forum to argue, get a room, you both sound like an old married couple that doesn't get along. Take it to PMs instead of hijacking other's threads.
Who's chasing and chastising whom I wonder?
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Next thing you will be doing is run whinning to Cliff about getting me banned.
Why would I do that? It's more entertaining watching you crash and burn.
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Originally posted by avengador1:
Let me tell you something, Cliff hates whinners.
Heh heh, that's actually pretty funny. You'd know all about that, wouldn't you?
How about This... ...or This... ...as well as This.
Quite a history of drama for one forum member.
It's so convenient for you to have deleted your PMs, isn't it. So convenient for you to have no memory of what I'm talking about. So easy for you to continue to deny that you pass on personal PMs from PFF members (without their knowledge) to people who are no longer members of this forum.
Tell you what, I'll be forwarding my earlier PMs to you which you say you no longer have. If this doesn't jog your memory then perhaps medical intervention may be required.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41208 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Originally posted by Patrick: Raydar, I won't elaborate on my PM comments unless John cares to push the issue, but you were fully aware of the goings on reported in This thread as you yourself posted in it.
Why don't we just let this go before it has to get any uglier...
Awwww, go ahead! We're all ears!
Edit - ...eyes?
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I never said I got any hateful PMs from you. You seem to think that I am implying this, I am not. I don't even remember what your PM to me was about or when it was sent to me. It probably wasn't anything important or I would have remembered it. Is the fact that I don't remember your PM bothering you. I had received hateful emails from some members who eventually were banned. I have made my peace with them and yes I will be the first to admit that I can be a drama queen at times. There is no doubt about it, who cares. You, on the other hand, obviously do not see what you are doing. You are the one following others around looking for an e-argument, you also seem to be the first one with negative comments in others threads, look at this one. You went after Phranc for something that was said in another thread. You seem to have a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth when someone tells you something you don't want to hear, about your behaviour on the forum. I didn't even mention you by name when I said you two should get a room. I guess that means that you did realize I was talking about you and that you were indeed doing what I had mentioned. So where is your proof about your accusation of me passing on PMs to others? You haven't produced this and yet it seemed like this was something you were ready to post at an instant. You can sit there and dissect what I said, sentence by sentence, but it won't change anything. You seem to like to pick on others if they don't agree with you and kiss your arse. I don't don't kiss arse in case you didn't know. I can discuss this all day long with you, if Jazzman doesn't mind our hijacking his thread. If he asks me I will remove all my posts in this thread to get it back on track. I bet you wouldn't do the same because you are a vindictive e-bully who won't stop whinning till he gets his way. I can tell you it ain't going to happen. I ask you again to put up or shut up. I am very interested in seeing this proof you said you have. It's real easy to make accusations and even be paranoid enough to accuse me of implying you sent me hateful PMs. You are in need of a reality check, even others can see what you are doing and have made some comments about it, even in this thread.
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no need to be all nasty towards him
That comment was not directed at your treatment to me, by the way, but to your treatment of Phranc. I guess you are done with him, so you moved on to me because I pointed out your bad behaviour. You just don't see it. You seriously need to read what you post and see how you are behaving. It isn't a pretty sight.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38659 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Raydar, the only reason I'm reluctant to have all this totally out in the open is that these PMs involve another person as well, an ex-member of this forum. I'd rather not have this can of worms re-opened, but that's up to John.
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pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16233 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
Just drop your bomb on him and get it over with. He asked you for it.
Pokey, John’s already got all the info he needs in the PMs I’ve sent him. Unfortunately, there’s nothing stopping him from denying he even got them. What can I do to prove I sent them? Even if I posted them here, John could just say they’re all totally fictional. It remains to be seen whether or not he’s man enough to admit that he’s passed on personal PMs to other people without any kind of permission or acknowledgment that he was doing it. He may have only done it once, but who’s to say? John won’t remember.
The only person who could truly set the situation straight is this mystery third person, but he’s not allowed to post here anymore. I had my problems with this individual as well when he was a PFF member, but I’m leery of posting his identity because of the possible fallout. Maybe him and I finally developed some mutual respect over the years, but for whatever reason, now that he’s gone I’m reluctant to name him when he can’t properly defend himself here.
So this is your bomb? You accuse me of sharing your PMs to me with * and call that proof.
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Look familiar?
----- Message Forwarded from Patrick -----
Since you seem to be sharing my Private Messages to you with *, maybe he'll be kind enough to explain the "pot shot" confusion with you.
----- Original Message -----
What made me think you thought I was taking a pot shot at * is "I don't enjoy seeing anyone taking pot shots at * when he's not able to defend himself at PFF, but having said that, I'm also tired of the constant criticism levied at * by certain individuals." You did say this to me didn't you? Since you have made it clear you didn't mean it towards me. I will forget all about it. Oh, and the history lesson is based on what * has told me personally as to what happened between him and *, not what was said on the forum. There is more to the story than was revealed on the forum. I may not have been signed on to the forum as long as you have, but I had visited when it first started, I just didn't sign on then because there was little going on at the time. I finally joined a couple of years later once things picked up. Sorry if you don't appreciate my "history" lessons, I just thought you might have found them interesting. No skin of my back. Avengador1
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I'm sorry you feel I was taking a pot shot at *. He had asked me to not refer to him as * anymore and to not bring him (*) up on PFF anymore. That is why I was trying to kill that thread and I will not reply in it anymore. There also is no love lost between * and * for whatever reason. That is between them. I offer my voice for * on the forum from time to time as he cannot speak for himself on there anymore. We too had our issues and these have been resolved as I had explained to you. I'm glad you and I have no issues to resolve then, Have a good day. Avengador1
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For what it is worth. * and I have no more problems between us. We even help run www.*****.com and get along with each other just fine. * does not want to be referred to as "*" ever again and wishes that we all forget that persona ever existed. I have agreed to abide by his wishes and do not like it when others try to bring back his "*" threads. * cannot reply to them and is much maligned because of the problems he was having back then. Him and I even went at it for a while on PFF until I decided to have an adult conversation with him to find out what makes him tick. I hold no ill feelings or will against him and now understand where he was coming from, that is why I try to stop a thread when someone brings him back up. * got on *'s bad side and will never be allowed to rejoin PFF. * took care of this personally. If you don't believe me just look at any thread that "*" posted in and look at his ratings bar. The members did not vote him out, but that is neither here not there and is in the past. Right or wrong he will not be back. That also is not our decision anyway. * personally does not want him back for whatever personal reasons he may have. That is his right as owner of the forum. I should have PM'ed you in the first place to find out why my reply ticked you off in the first place. You too could have PM'ed me instead of bumping the thread up one last time. I guess it is easier to go public and forget that we have PM to do these things. I will gladly try to resolve any issues you have with me in PM, that is if you wish to keep it civilized, if you don't, please don't waste your or my time. I am eagerly awaiting your reply.
You are one sick paranoid person. Accusing me does not make it true, even if this is your hearts desire. It didn't happen, you have no proof this ever happened. Since you felt free to PM me all my PMs to you, I will feel free to post them here, they are mine afterall aren't they? Please highlight where I say I shared or sent your PMs to me with * as I can't seem to find this. It seems you have had a bone to pick with me about this imagined transgression since then. I forgot all about it because it was unimportant then and it is now. I wonder how big of an ulcer you have developed holding this in all this time and it was all for naught. I suggest you get a reality check and maybe up the dose of whatever medication you are on. Jazzman SHOULD ***** slap both of us for this ridiculous argument you intend on carrying on with me. All names have been removed to protect the innocent. * and I resolve our issues and moved on, it seems you can't do the same. I suggest you consider this before it eats you up inside for no reason. Jazzman, just give me the word and I will delete all my entries in this thread.
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sostock Member
Posts: 5907 From: Grain Valley, MO Registered: May 2005
John, if you're not on strong meds already, maybe you should consider it!
Posting one side of a series of PMs hardly clarifies anything.
I sent those PMs to you to simply jog your memory. Perhaps it's not possible to "jog" what has long been lost.
Are you telling this forum that you still deny passing on my personal PMs sent to you to this mystery third person? Yes or no, are you still denying it?
I have the PMs from this person acknowledging what you did.
Why don't you ask him about it?
Take it a step further than that - Ask him to email me to say it's okay to post the relevant part of his PM to me about you. I won't post it without his permission.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Patrick, you can ask him if he wants to send these supposed PMs to you so you can post them here, since you are so friendly with him. I don't remember sending him anything you sent me. I might have discussed with him what you were arguing about with me, but I don't remember sending him any of your PMs to me. If you want I will post the ones you just sent me in their entirety, so you can't say it's one sided posting. Don't forget to take your meds and your antacid, you are in a real need of them. Carrying a stupid meaningless grudge for so long is not a good thing. You have shown no proof of your accusations even though I have repeatedly asked you to produce it. Again I say put up or shut up. Edit: * replied in another forum
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Dude, let it die. He's making a mountain out of a mote, but you did forward me a PM from him. But so *ucking what? PM's aren't priviledged communication. You're not bound by any code of ethics to swear yourself to secrecy. You're not a doctor, a lawyer, or a priest.
If I did I don't remember doing it nor do I consider it that important if I did. I'm going to agree with all * said above and let it go, I suggest you do the same.
Cliff this one is ready for the trash when you are ready to put it there. Sorry for any inconvenience we have caused arguing this nonsense.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38659 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
I see you’ve edited your post while I was typing this out. No problem, I’ll post it as I originally intended.
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Originally posted by avengador1:
Patrick, you can ask him if he wants to send these supposed PMs to you so you can post them here, since you are so friendly with him. I don't remember sending him anything you sent me. I might have discussed with him what you were arguing about with me, but I don't remember sending him any of your PMs to me.
You have shown no proof of your accusations even though I have repeatedly asked you to produce it. Again I say put up or shut up.
Oh, I can put up alright...
Turns out there’s no need for me to even bother with those PMs (which you’d just turn around and say were bogus anyway). No, I decided to look in the lion’s den, and lo and behold what did I find?
Here’s couple of images of the thread, although John posted once more after I acquired these images:
The relevant part of Stimpy’s comments are here:
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Originally posted by Stimpy:
Dude, let it die. He's making a mountain out of a mote, but you did forward me a PM from him.
Just for continuity, here’s John’s comments at the end:
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If you still have it please send it to him. I might have quoted from his PM to me about his argument with me about you, but I don't remember sending the entire thing. It is an old grudge he is holding against me and it wasn't that important to me. I don't keep PMs or grudges but it seems he does. He also does not seem willing to let it go. He seems to take great pleasure in arguing his beliefs with others to the point of sounding like a maniac. He says he is supposed to be your friend but I'm sorry to say he is acting like an asshat over this. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since this happened and I have moved on. He is just looking for an e-argument with it to make me look "bad" on that forum. I don't give a **** what people think about me over there anymore and I'm basically inmune to the ratings system. At this point it would take a ton of negatives to ban me or Cliff himself would have to do it. I haven't broken any forum rules so I'm not worried. I'm also not worried if they ban me as I don't frequent there too much anymore. Since this is causing everyone involved embarrashment I will drop it now.
Maybe you should’ve dropped it while you still had a shred of integrity left.
By the way, I never said Jeff and I were friends. I said we may have eventually developed some form of mutual respect. You obviously have no idea regarding that concept.
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You are one sick paranoid person.
Accusing me does not make it true, even if this is your hearts desire.
It didn't happen, you have no proof this ever happened.
I feel foolish for having a stupid argument with you over something so insignificant that happened a long time ago. I asked Jeff (since you choosed to reveal his identity) to send you the PM I sent him to see what exactly was sent to him. I don't think he even has it anymore, as he (rightfully so) didn't consider it important either. I have to agree with Jeff on his point, even if I did send it to him, that was my right to do so as he pointed out above. I am not your priest or lawyer and I am not sworn to secrecy or obligated to keep anything said to me secret if I feel I need to share that information. I still don't remember doing so and I don't really care if I did, it is meaningless to me and long forgotten. You on the other hand seem to be incensed because of your belief that I did so. I don't care. I don't think anyone besides you cares and you held this grudge all this time. This is real petty of you. Get over it, we (all other parties involved) already did a long time ago. Now go back to chasing other forum members around with your unimportant arguments and negative comments, say whatever else you want about me I don't care. I'm done having a moronic argument with you. Geesh! I'm done with this stupid argument once and for all and will not dignify anymore replies concerning it. Have a good day
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38659 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
cool a pissing contest!... i'm not in that one... this will be in the trash can soon... back on topic though. i would just get some duct tape and one of those fart machines... out gross him if you have that problem again... lol
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Dec 15th, 2006
Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
( <-------- forwards both Patrick & Avengador some random PM's) (then hides)
Heh... I always knew Stimpy was a star! ( * ) (miss you bro!)
And James, I wonder if Ben Franklin had in his mind the germ spewing clueless dimentia man sitting in the public area when he came up with the library? It's nice to see you posting again... I think Toddster, bear, & Stricker were getting lonely!
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
p.s. I don't keep any PMs or emails and I'm not acussing you of anything, I'm just stating a fact about hateful PMs and myself. I'm not into holding grudges over petty things like you obviously are. I have better things to do with my time. Higher road indeed. Next thing you will be doing is run whinning to Cliff about getting me banned. Let me tell you something, Cliff hates whinners.
