The debate on taking a shot at a furneral has probably got back to the taliban, it's doubtful you'll see another opporitunity like that ever again. Top leadership in taliban should be taken out at any opporitunity, there may be some undisclosed facts that we are not aware of. These terrorists took out innocent folks on 9-11, hard for me to have mercy on them regardless of circumstances.

Although I don't pretend to know the reason, the thought has occurred to me that just maybe this photo was leaked to show the Muslim world that we do show restraint and respect for some of the things they hold holy. These photos are not made widely available unless they are officially released. If someone took it upon to themselves to steal the pic and release on their own, they're just asking to go to jail. Only certain people have access to this kind of classified picutres and information. I'm thinking this pic was released for a reason, it may not be the one that I have brought up but there is definately a reason behind it's release.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Although I don't pretend to know the reason, the thought has occurred to me that just maybe this photo was leaked to show the Muslim world that we do show restraint and respect for some of the things they hold holy. These photos are not made widely available unless they are officially released. If someone took it upon to themselves to steal the pic and release on their own, they're just asking to go to jail. Only certain people have access to this kind of classified picutres and information. I'm thinking this pic was released for a reason, it may not be the one that I have brought up but there is definately a reason behind it's release.

That is probably exactly it! right on the money!

By western standards and thinking the strategy makes sense. Unfortunately this will only be viewed as another sign of weakness and stupidity. It also is another fine example of trying to look good in the worlds eyes instead of doing what needs to be done.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Although I don't pretend to know the reason, the thought has occurred to me that just maybe this photo was leaked to show the Muslim world that we do show restraint and respect for some of the things they hold holy. These photos are not made widely available unless they are officially released. If someone took it upon to themselves to steal the pic and release on their own, they're just asking to go to jail. Only certain people have access to this kind of classified picutres and information. I'm thinking this pic was released for a reason, it may not be the one that I have brought up but there is definately a reason behind it's release.

Well there ya go Rams. Sometimes you are smarter than ya look
Actually that does make a lot of sense, too much. You need to take up drugs or something.

quote Originally posted by AusFiero: Well there ya go Rams. Sometimes you are smarter than ya look Actually that does make a lot of sense, too much. You need to take up drugs or something.

You promised you wouldn't compliment me in public. No thanks, I can be stupid without any assistance.

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quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: Somebody please explain to me when it is okay to kill the enemy. 1) When they're walking in the desert? 2) When they're walking to church? 3) When they're shooting back? 4) When they're surrounded by 500 others just like them? 5) When it's just a "higher up" like Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi?

What the hell is the matter with you?

None of these leading questions mean anything. Our problem is we have made things too complicated.
It is ok to kill an enemy whenever and whereever they are or will be a threat to you. If your enemy is hiding amongst civilians then it is not ok to kill them all to get the one or the few.
If the civilians know they are in danger by purposely protecting or surrounding your enemy then they also are your enemy.
If you can not differenciate between the two then you must assume the civilians are not your enemy.
Churchs?? Cemeterys? Waiting for them to shot at you first????? If they are walkingin a desert then they are not dead . . . KILL THEM!!! Hello it isn't hard. What seems to be hard is to know who an enemy is.

Deciding to go to war should be the hardest decision to make. Presenting that war decisively to your enemy should not be hard and not a single person in this country should cause this or any war to be maintained longer than needed.
No war should be ended until it is finished or you will fight it again.

Our code of ethics in war time is of course an honorable thing and should not be taken lightly. On the other hand if the enemy takes our code and shoves it up our ass then it may be a good idea to take a page from their own book and read it back to them. Does it make us like them? Then answer is no. It makes us predictable.
We should afford them every human civility they allow us. That is what makes us better. Better people, better soldiers,better values.


It also does not matter if we are right or wrong in war. Once it has started it must be finished or we will tear ourselves apart and end up with our own civil war.

Time for making decisions of right or wrong is before people start dieing.

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quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: It also does not matter if we are right or wrong in war. Once it has started it must be finished or we will tear ourselves apart and end up with our own civil war.

Matters to me, you idiot!

Typical republican CHICKEN HAWK!

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Nuke um.

Turn the entire country into a glass parking lot.

This is just bullshit.

pokeyfiero has the right idea, if they are not going to follow the Geneva convention why should we? So we can loose more brave young men and women.

This is a prime example of something I said in another thread.

No one really win a war.

Even if we win, we loose,

We have already lost American lives, granted that is a given in any war.

We have lost the money that the war has cost us so far.

We will loose even more money when we have to rebuild this war zone.

I just have this bitter taste in my mouth from 40 some years ago when we walked away from Vietnam.

You don’t start something you are not willing to finish or accept the consequences of those actions.

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quote [B]if they are not going to follow the Geneva convention why should we?

Breacuse you dont...............or need anybody mention guatanimo bay, secret assinations----------oh---**** it.

kiss my ass, the more of "you" they blow up the better off we are, and the more of "them" you blow up, the better off we are.

why dont both sides go **** themselves.

I won't sit in judgement as to whether or not we should have allowed this gathering of our enemy, assuming that's who they are. But assuming the ID is correct and I was still flying armed helicopters, if given the weapons release orders, I'd have no issue releasing a full load on them. Honorable enemies abide by rules of war and quite frankly I'd do my best to follow those rules. Unfortunately, we do not have an honorable opposition. I didn't/don't get to make the rules but I have no problem prosecuting the target if given the opportunity.
Viet Nam was mentioned, everyone knows the reason that war ended the way it did is because the civilians in charge didn't really want to win, it they had, they would have let us fight to our capability, Not with one hand tied behind our backs. I don't know why we have the rules we have and won't attack a cemetary where our enemy is at. Personally, I don't care for that rule of combat, but if it's a rule, then it's a rule put in place by a civilian.
Taking out civilians is not something any soldier, pilot or marine wants to do but if you're taking fire and the enemy is hiding behind a bunch of skirts, you have to make a decision. One of life and death, your life or theirs. I will never question who is gonna die if it comes between our guys and anyone else.

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quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Matters to me, you idiot! Typical republican CHICKEN HAWK!

As usaul you are very impressive.