You heard it here first! GM is going to announce this week the return of the Chevrolet Camaro. So, that means if you dont want to build one, or if that old 80s IROC is taking up valuable space, get rid of it and save up for a 2008 Camaro. Anyway, Here is the link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14217560/
to bad its not an announcement of the return of the Fiero!!
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if you drive a bike normally its perfectly safe. i just prefer better performance with awsome gas mileage. i guess that maes me wierd i just cant understand the obsession people have with v8's
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Posts: 40728 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Ford already has a runaway best seller with the Mustang. Dodge is going to start selling Challengers in the 2008 model year. The clamor for that one has been almost deafening, if you want to believe the enthusiast magazines. (Me? I want one. Bad.)
Chevy had to do something to appeal to the gearheads. Not everybody who wants a RWD V8 wants to have to buy a truck to go with it. Chevy was going to be reduced to selling Cobalts to the really young folks, Silverados to the construction folks, Tahoes and Trailblazers to the soccer moms, and Impalas to the police departments. And all the gearheads were going to be across town buying Mustangs and Challengers, or still window-shopping for Corvettes.
It's a rebadged GTO which is a rebadged Holden Monaro Sure, it's got power, but I sure as heck wouldn't call that overweight, uninspired thing a real "GTO".
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Raydar Member
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Originally posted by FieroGT42: It's a rebadged GTO which is a rebadged Holden Monaro Sure, it's got power, but I sure as heck wouldn't call that overweight, uninspired thing a real "GTO".
The new Camaro may share a platform with a Pontiac 'sibling' but they apparently haven't decided whether it's going to be a GTO or a Firebird or something else. But it's an all new platform from what I understand. It's not going to be a rebadged anything.
Edit - Having said all that... I hope GM doesn't screw it up. The have some of the best ideas going, but seem to find a way to beat them into mediocrity by the time they hit the showrooms.
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It's a rebadged GTO which is a rebadged Holden Monaro Sure, it's got power, but I sure as heck wouldn't call that overweight, uninspired thing a real "GTO".
I'll take the Monaro-GTO over any of the Camaro-Firebirds from any year. The Tempest/Lemans of the day were ugly cars even with the GTO option package. I guess the Nova-GTO was a real GTO too?
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It's a rebadged GTO which is a rebadged Holden Monaro Sure, it's got power, but I sure as heck wouldn't call that overweight, uninspired thing a real "GTO".
It should be the best Camaro ever built. Better structure. Alloy V8. Four wheel independent suspension.
Personally - I'd rather have the same chassis with a useable sleeper sedan. The Camaro looks like it would attract too much attention. And if youre gonna have four seats, you might as well have four doors.
And if youre gonna have four seats, you might as well have four doors.
OMG, why the heck would you want a practical car? What the heck would it be good for?! If I didn't need to have something impractical I would have a Fiero
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Posts: 8868 From: California.U.S.A. Registered: Dec 2002
No thanks. I would rather spend my money on a reproduction 68 than buy a new one. It just dosent do it for me, when I first saw the Challanger all I could think was HELL Yes someone is finaly going to make a new car that I like. But when I look at the new Camaro I just see another sadan that just dosent get me going. Nope I will pass and spend my money on my Fiero.
Sorry to burst your bubbles. It was just on the news a few minutes ago. Typical GM blunder. It looks JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE with a new hood.........big deal. Looks absolutely nothing like the concepts shown above. Oh they did put dual wide stripes decals down the center. You dont have to wait till it comes, just buy a 2000 one, buy an aftermarket hood with a scoop and paint the stripes and tell all your neighbors you just spent your $35K on a new car.............not. LOL
* didnt you think it odd that press release didnt include a photo of such an awaited return ??
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looks like i'm going have to sell my two fieros and my '69 conv't (camaro) to get the new one. i guess i'll start saving now and when it comes out i'll have a nice down payment.
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looks like i'm going have to sell my two fieros and my '69 conv't (camaro) to get the new one. i guess i'll start saving now and when it comes out i'll have a nice down payment.
Id rather have the ' 69 than a 2000 model with a new hood myself......
Its not a 2000 model with a new hood. Roger, where are you getting that? I highly doubt that GM would show us this prototype all the damned time just to re-release an older model.
If I were to buy a new car within the next couple of years....it'd be either a new Camaro Z28/SS, a Sky Redline, or a Solstice GXP. No other cars appeal to me. The Mustang - there's just way too many of them, and 300 hp in the GT just isn't enough for a 3500 lb car. Also, no 6-speed manual is offered, just a 5-speed manual. The Challenger - Looks too retro, at least the Camaro looks like its getting a little bit of progress. Also, will the Challenger come with a 6-speed manual? I hate what they did with the Chargers, they just look like bloated sedans and they only come in automatics. If I wanted a fast sedan that only comes in an auto, I'd buy a Grand Prix GTP. Also...from some sources I've heard that the Camaro will be much more powerful. Think of a weak 3.9L OHV V6 in the base for the high school girls, a 400 hp LS2 in the Z28, and possibly a 500 hp LS7 in the SS. With Mustang coming out with the Shelby GT500 or whatever with 475 hp GM will have to step up with the Camaro. As for the body, I could see the prototype body being used in the production model, with the exception of the side-mirrors and possibly a little larger windows. And trust me, those 21" or 22" wheels they have on there won't get into production models, it'll probably have some 17"'s or 18's if we're lucky.
They showed them driving around an orange and white one on the Today Show this morning. Didnt see a good rear view, but looked just like the last ones made except for a ram air looking single scoop. even had the goofy blended in mirrors.
Yes they would bring out an improved older model. They dont have the money first off, and couldnt already have body dies built in less than 6 months. DC can because all their concepts that they do bring out as production are almost direct copies of the original protype and they do it in 1-2 years. Dont you think if this was going to be the radical ' new ' Camaro like every hopes after seeing the concept, that they would be plastering big photos all over the press releases? No, instead they just 'tell' you all about it. Ill bet their hoping no one saw it this morning on tv.
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Originally posted by Tinton: ...The Challenger - Looks too retro...
I don't expect you to understand this, because you weren't around when Challengers could still be purchased new, but the new Challenger is *just right*, IMHO. The original only had one or two awkward angles. Even those were fixed, this time around. It's also possible that the Challenger was designed to appeal to those of us who owned them in high school. That was kind of the original plan for the Mustang, and it worked brilliantly.
GM has chosen a more modern approach to 'retro'. I don't think it's going to appeal to the hardcore fans of the 67-69 models as much as its Ford and Dodge counterparts have. But then again, it may appeal more to the younger folks than the others. Your opinion would tend to bear that out. It would be nice if it was priced so that a young person could actually afford to buy the damned thing.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison: Sorry to burst your bubbles. It was just on the news a few minutes ago. Typical GM blunder. It looks JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE with a new hood.........big deal. Looks absolutely nothing like the concepts shown above.
mmmmkay.
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GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner is expected to announce the return of the muscle car in a speech Thursday at an automotive conference in Traverse City, the Detroit Free Press reported Sunday.
I guess us older guys appreciate muscle that comes with style and not just some bubble look-alike of everything else out there. I love the Challenger.. completely retro done right.. I like the Mustang better than anything they have done since 1969... I hope the next GTO will look more like the 99 prototpye than the steroided Grand Am that we have now... And I do like the Camaro prototype as well.. Yes, old farts like us would rather buy a 69 clone with modern tech but until that happens, this ain't too bad. I'm still a Pontiac guy though.. I want to see this car in white and blue with a dual snorkel hood and an arrowhead on the front!
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My first car....a red/black 1979 Camaro Rally Sport. I sure miss that car (tears starting to well up). But hey! Replaced it with a brand new 1986 Fiero, so the grief didn't last long.
Is it just me, or is this now the second time Chevy has reacted to the success of the Mustang? If the Mustang hadn't been so successfull with the 2005 model year, do you suppose Chevy would've brought back the Camaro? Just a question. Not trying to instigate anything.
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I don't know how many of the "it looks like sh** " crowd have actually seen one in the "flesh." I saw it at the HotRod Magazine Power Tour. Walked all around it. No test drives. Like the Pontiac Solstice, the real Camaro looks way better than the pictures. I'm sure the wheels on the show car will shrink, due to cost/practicality reasons. But its a very nice looking car. With modern engineering under the slightly retro skin. It's bigger than the older Camaro, and has a slightly more useable back seat and trunk. I think GM MAY have a winner here. It will remain to be seen how many potential pony car buyers will choose GMs Camaro over the Charger, Challenger or Mustang. It WILL be the "new car" but will the percieved price vs content click with the public? GM has lost an awful lot of brand loyalty with poorly built, poorly designed cars over the last 20 years.....
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Posts: 1108 From: Sparta, ON, Canada Registered: Mar 2006
If the new Camaro / TransAm / GTO doesn't include a low optioned model with just the go fast goodies for around 25K, it isn't going to sell any better than the previous model run. Ford seems to be able to manufacture a stripper go fast Mustang GT for around that price.
Good god, leave it to the folks at GM to once redefine the term "butt ugly". Looks like a cheap attempy to cash in on Ford and Dodge's success with their retro inspired vehicles. However, like the HHR and its big brother the SSR, GM has horribly missed the mark.
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Well, I guess it takes all kinds. Obviously some people think it is 'butt ugly' and others of us think it looks pretty fantastic. But then some liked the so-called GTO and I couldn't rellt stand the thought of it... Different strokes...
Steve, that is exactly what I was talking about! Even down to the extractors on the front fenders behind each wheel. All it needs now to be correct is a wing on the back... And I'd like to see it with some hideaway headlights too even though that wasn't on the original Trans Am. The front end just screams for it. I don't really care for the blue one so much, but as an owner of a 69 Firebird, I love the retro Trans Am!
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i just cant understand the obsession people have with v8's
If I didn't need to have something impractical I would have a Fiero 
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