------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurasic Park)
Fast food--Well, just because Sewage (sp????) treatment plant--well, no, just no
I worked at a sewage treatment plant for over two years, was possibly the best job I ever had, also one of the best paying. Really not bad at all if its taken care of and done right. Brad
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Nov 30th, 2005
cliffw Member
Posts: 37774 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
I’ve dug ditches, worked at cattle auctions, cleaned fruit trucks, worked for an industrial cleaner and worked in a warehouse. All of those jobs paid minimum wage or by how much work you got done. I did those jobs till I leaned enough to get a better job. That’s how it works. People that have no skills and want to start out making $100000 a year are just fooling themselves. I count all of those experiences as fall back jobs. I do what it takes.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I’ve dug ditches, worked at cattle auctions, cleaned fruit trucks, worked for an industrial cleaner and worked in a warehouse. All of those jobs paid minimum wage or by how much work you got done. I did those jobs till I leaned enough to get a better job. That’s how it works. People that have no skills and want to start out making $100000 a year are just fooling themselves. I count all of those experiences as fall back jobs. I do what it takes.
Exactly.
I've waited tables, bartended, worked fast food, etc. You do what you have to do.
Johnny, why don't you enlighten us with some jobs Canadians are incapable or unwilling to do?
I’ve dug ditches, worked at cattle auctions, cleaned fruit trucks, worked for an industrial cleaner and worked in a warehouse. All of those jobs paid minimum wage or by how much work you got done. I did those jobs till I leaned enough to get a better job. That’s how it works. People that have no skills and want to start out making $100000 a year are just fooling themselves. I count all of those experiences as fall back jobs. I do what it takes.
You have a work ethic-congratulations. It's what Americans WON'T DO. I've run a roofing company for over 35 years. Before the influx of Mexicans I couldn't hire ANY help. I was close to shutting down a company that had been in business since 1946. I'd put an ad in the paper and NOBODY applied. I have NO patience for American workers. I hear this chit about "living wage". I have news; the wages are not too low-the welfare is too high. That is why we have millions of asswholes sitting on their arses, breeding, doing drugs, and filling the jails. This country is headed down a dead end street unless we understand half the population cannot support the other half.
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Hank is Here Member
Posts: 4462 From: Hershey, Pa Registered: Sep 2000
I guess I really don't understand the argurement that Americans won't do or refuse to do certian jobs. Also I don't buy into the arguement that Americans on welfare sit on their butts. In Pennsylvania we are 1% from natural full emplyoment. Being 1% away to me that means that it not that there aren't jobs American don't want to do there are better jobs out there that the people fill.
As others I have worked my way up. From starting out as a yard hand a an equipment dealership, to servicing equipment, to setting up party tents, to leading the crew which set up the tents, to producing the tents, to driving a tow truck............ yada yada yada. Like most hard working folks I have several skillsets to fall back into if I decide to change positions.
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fogglethorpe Member
Posts: 4828 From: Valley of the Sun Registered: Jul 2001
Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Go buy your first Fiero. Or just go..
Ok...you still have a beef with me? Start a thread, and we'll address it there. I don't think Jazzman intended for a lumpy slug with a pseudo-science degree (a.k.a. connecticutFIERO) to spew self-congratulatory jizz all over his thread.
Sorry Jazz...
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ditch Member
Posts: 3780 From: Brookston, IN Registered: Mar 2003
I'd like everyone's input in compiling a list of jobs Americans can't or won't do, including reasons.
Thoughts?
JazzMan
Well, I would do any job to pay my bills. Jobs I've had:
Highschool: cleaned restrooms in the local library as well as other custodial duties (totally sucked) College: sales accociate at a small store in the mall (H2O plus, lots of women there ), then newspaper pressroom assistant, then roofed for about 3 years straight Now: chemist, definitely the best job to date (college can pay off bigtime)
I'll comment on my experiences in roofing. I was a foreman my last two years. One summer I fired about 25 people (no kidding). I couldn't believe how lazy people are. Our company was a great place for people with no college education. They started you at $10/hour at the time and you could work up to a very nice salary. I was making over $35k/year after only 3 years because I was willing to work. Most of the dumbasses we hired just didn't want to give it the effort. It is by no means easy work, but some of the employees we had were just pathetic. Would I call the lazy ones I fired "Americans"? Yes, but only because they were born on US soil. They're more like parasites to me. Most of them were too damn lazy to work for a living and are probably mooching off the system as I type this.
So, to your question, I really don't know. My opinion is very biased because it only looks at my experience in roofing....a job that (IMO) attracts some very shady people. Generally speaking, I think most Americans are hard working people and would do what is necessary to keep their heads above water. I for one would and most people I know would do the same.
Jobs Americans can't or won't do? I honestly can't think of one (legitimate jobs anyway).
Bush said in his speech the other day that he wanted a guest worker program (like France's?) so that Mexicans could come into this country and do the jobs that Americans wouldn't, or couldn't, do, and so I was wondering, just what jobs are Americans too good, or to incompetent, to do?
JazzMan
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ditch Member
Posts: 3780 From: Brookston, IN Registered: Mar 2003
Bush said in his speech the other day that he wanted a guest worker program (like France's?) so that Mexicans could come into this country and do the jobs that Americans wouldn't, or couldn't, do, and so I was wondering, just what jobs are Americans too good, or to incompetent, to do?
JazzMan
I heard that speech. The first thing that came to mind was the crappy minimum wage jobs. We know that they're are plenty of those. To an illegal from Mexico, min wage is big bucks.
As far as the "couldn't do" part, Bush is talking out his arse. I for one would like him to explain that one.
Dave
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Bush said in his speech the other day that he wanted a guest worker program (like France's?) so that Mexicans could come into this country and do the jobs that Americans wouldn't, or couldn't, do, and so I was wondering, just what jobs are Americans too good, or to incompetent, to do?
JazzMan
I didn't hear the speech, but I should have known it was a political jab of somekind. But without trying to argue politics, the answer is pretty obvious - you're referring to jobs that are primarily done by migrant and immigrant workers. Lots of construction, day labor, landscaping, not to mention farming labor. All jobs that have a high percentage of migrant and immigrant workers - and all jobs many Americans do every day.
The actual quote was "It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take"1 That doesn't imply too good or too incompetent - it implys a choice not to take those jobs. You will find many Americans who will do any job just to be employed, but obviously when talking about a nation as a whole, you have to talk about trends, and not individuals.
As far as the "couldn't do" part, Bush is talking out his arse. I for one would like him to explain that one.
Dave
Easy explanation. That was Jazz talking out of Bush's arse. Bush didn't say that. Read the actual speech in the link I posted above. If Jazz is referring to another speech, I'm sure he'll post his source.
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ditch Member
Posts: 3780 From: Brookston, IN Registered: Mar 2003
Easy explanation. That was Jazz talking out of Bush's arse. Bush didn't say that. Read the actual speech in the link I posted above. If Jazz is referring to another speech, I'm sure he'll post his source.
ahhh, Thanks for the link. I was going off memory and what he said sounded about right. I really need to quit relying on my poor memory. thanks
BTW, talking out someone elses arse sounds kind of stinky
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Dec 1st, 2005
Tigger Member
Posts: 4368 From: Flint, MI USA Registered: Sep 2000
"We want our Border Patrol agents chasing, you know, crooks and thieves and drug-runners and terrorists, not good-hearted people who are coming here to work," Mr. Bush said. "And therefore, it makes sense to allow the good-hearted people who are coming here to do jobs that Americans won't do a legal way to do so. And providing that legal avenue, it takes the pressure off the border."
No, he never said that, not that. He didn't say "jobs American's won't do." He worded it as "jobs American's won't take" this time. It's a completely different statement when you word it that way.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
QUESTION: Mr. President, since early in your first term you've talked about immigration reform. But yet people in your own party on the hill seem opposed to this idea and you've got an opposition, even on the other side.
Do you plan to expend some of your political capital this time to see this through?
BUSH: Yes, I appreciate that question.
First of all, welcome. I'd like to welcome all the new faces -- some prettier than others, I might add. But...
(LAUGHTER)
Yes, I intend to work with members of Congress to get something done. I think this is an issue that will make it easier for us to enforce our borders.
And I believe it's an issue that will show the -- if when we get it right, the compassion and heart of the American people.
And no question, it's a tough issue, just like some of the other issues we're taking on. But my job is to confront tough issues. And to ask Congress to work together to confront tough issues.
Now, let me talk about the immigration issue.
First we want our Border Patrol agents chasing crooks and thieves and drug runners and terrorists, not good-hearted people who are coming here to work. And, therefore, it makes sense to allow the good-hearted people who are coming here to do jobs that Americans won't do a legal way to do so. And providing that legal avenue, it takes the pressure off the border.
Now, we need to make sure the border is modern and we need to upgrade our Border Patrol. But if we expect the Border Patrol to be able to enforce a long border, particularly in the south -- and the north, for that matter -- we ought to have a system that recognizes people are coming here to do jobs that Americans will not do. And there ought to be a legal way for them to do so.
To me that, is -- and not only that, but once the person is here, if he or she feels like he or she needs to go back to see their family, to the country of origin, they should be able to do so within a prescribed -- the card and the permit would last for a prescribed period of time.
It's a compassionate way to treat people who come to our country. It recognizes the reality of the world in which we live. There are some jobs in America that Americans won't do and others are willing to do.
Now, one of the important aspects of my vision is that this is not automatic citizenship. The American people must understand that, that if somebody who is here working wants to be a citizen, they can get in line like those who have been here legally and have been working to become a citizenship (sic) in a legal manner.
And this is a very important issue, and I look forward to working with members of Congress. I fully understand the politics of immigration reform. I mean, I was the governor of Texas, right there on the front lines of border politics. You know, I know what it means to have mothers and fathers come to my state and across the border of my state to work.
Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande river, is what I used to tell the people of my state.
People are coming to put food on the table. They're doing jobs Americans will not do. And to me, it makes sense for us to recognize that reality and to help those who are needing to enforce our borders, legalize the process of people doing jobs Americans won't do, take the pressure off of employers so they're not having to rely upon false I.D.s, cut out the coyotes who are the smugglers of these people, putting them in the back of tractor-trailers in the middle of August in Texas, allowing people to suffocate in the back of the truck, stop the process of people feeling like they got to walk miles across desert in Arizona and Texas in order just to feed their family, and they find them dead out there, you know.
I mean, this is a system that can be much better.
And I'm passionate on it because the nature of this country is one that is good-hearted and compassionate. Our people are compassionate.
The system we have today is not a compassionate system. It's not working. And as a result, the country is less secure than it could be with a rational system.
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AndyLPhoto Member
Posts: 2420 From: Skandia, MI, USA Registered: Nov 2001
Um, Tigger, what's your point? Will not do, will not take...I don't see much difference, really. Many Americans won't take or do certain jobs, whether it is because of the pay or the job itself. If I were unemployed, I'd take whatever work I could get. Would I still look for a job that was preferable? You bet. But a minimum wage job is better than NO job. Some people would disagree with me though. If you won't do a job or take a job, it's a personal choice.
The big difference was when someone said Bush said there were jobs Americans *couldn't* do. I still haven't seen that documented. If I am missing the point you were trying to make, please elaborate.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
First, you quote "We want our Border Patrol agents chasing, you know, crooks and thieves and drug-runners and terrorists, not good-hearted people who are coming here to work," Mr. Bush said. "And therefore, it makes sense to allow the good-hearted people who are coming here to do jobs that Americans won't do a legal way to do so. And providing that legal avenue, it takes the pressure off the border." without saying who you quoted, so I wasn't sure if it was Bush or someone else's posting of what Bush said.
Then you say No, he never said that, not that. He didn't say "jobs American's won't do." He worded it as "jobs American's won't take" this time. It's a completely different statement when you word it that way.
Then you post a link showing where he did say it.
Instead of trying to type sarcastically, why not just say what you mean?
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Tigger Member
Posts: 4368 From: Flint, MI USA Registered: Sep 2000
Jazz threw in "couldn't", sure Bush didn't say that. Why did Jazz throw that in? I don't know, but it doesn't change the subject of the thread.
Speaking of which... I'm looking for the list of jobs Americans will not do, so where's the list?
It's laughable so many of you say American's wouldn't take or do certain jobs and then go on to say if you were unemployed you'd take whatever you could get.
Take whatever you can get, ha, good luck once this "guest worker program" goes through.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
i worked Fast food from ages 14 to 17.. it was the best 3 years of my teenage years it is a decent job for someone in HS, but if your a grown adult and your working in Fast food and its not a managment position... or a 2nd job... well you know
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AndyLPhoto Member
Posts: 2420 From: Skandia, MI, USA Registered: Nov 2001
I'm talking about me, personally. Fortunately, I've never been in that situation. However, I have talked to people, and heard people call in to radio shows who were unemployed. They were "holding out" for a position that was within their area of expertise, or that paid enough, but wouldn't even apply for a job that WAS available. I think there are too many people that think that way, but it's not a universal thing by any means.
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Steve Normington Member
Posts: 7663 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Apr 2001
I'm talking about me, personally. Fortunately, I've never been in that situation. However, I have talked to people, and heard people call in to radio shows who were unemployed. They were "holding out" for a position that was within their area of expertise, or that paid enough, but wouldn't even apply for a job that WAS available. I think there are too many people that think that way, but it's not a universal thing by any means.
I will say this and Im not pointing at anyone. I would probably hold out for a job doing what I am doing now if I had to look for another job. But when it comes down to eating or paying the bills you can count on me doing what ever it takes but that also dosent mean that I will stop looking for a better job. (well I wouldnt be a "fluffer") I have been on unemployment twice in my 40 years on this earth. When I got out of the Navy they told me to go on it till I found something. I refused and took what was avalible till I could find something that paid better.
