I laughed out loud when this thing pulled up.

3 little easter chickens! We were all so happy to see them!
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'86 2.8L Bottle-Fed
'86 2.5L turbo put to sleep
Chris_Oslo_Nelson@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by Oslo (edited 03-08-2005).]

please note how cute and cuddly they are.

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The sad part is, when he's sitting at the stop light, bumping with a terrible rattle in the back, he actually think's he's cool.

You should have not hooked up the deck lid trigger and not turned on the shock sensor. Then, some one could save that system from more torture and abuse.

Kris

quote Originally posted by Oslo: Why do people do this to their junker cars? I suppose I kind of understand, for kids to do it, but this guy was 20 and had his wife and baby with him. I just don't get it...

You own a Fiero. What's not to get?

He probably thinks it looks cool, like some of us do with our ricer-winged Fieros, with scoops stuck on all over, with decals and Lambo-doors...

To each his own, I suppose. One man's rice is another man's racecar.

Maybe he wants the security system to lower his insurance LOL

Angie

Is that subbox available in carbon fiber?

A kinder gentler PFF?

I must be dreaming!

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I see some potential with the red, white and blue theme goin' on...

"The basis of all humor is a conflict, that is resolved in an absurd way" - Gary Larson.

Larson Rocks!

[This message has been edited by Ken Wittlief (edited 03-08-2005).]

Thats not true.. The guy is probably on welfare and paying with the state cash he gets from having a kid and a wife. Meaning people like Oslo who work are paying his way with the money their robbed of every paycheck by the state.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: Tell the guy to take his POS and shove it up his behind "we dont work on trash" and then you can thumb your nose at him but as long as you are taking his money, sorry charlie, he's one step higher on the ladder than you are.

maybe
But only up to the point he hands over his $$. Then, the customer stops being a customer and is only a person driving a poorly cared for vehicle with an expensive alarm system that probably will never get triggered, unless a B-1 bomber flies over really low and fast.

Oslo--people do that to junkers because they think it makes it cool. I see it all the time here. Sometimes, the security system is worth more than the vehicle is.

Holy crap! Ken sure did get fired up over this one didn't he? wow.

So, no, I do not own the shop.
No I do not think that I am better than the chickens.
No I don't think they are producing my salary,
and, yes this thread should die now.

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welfare state wife married fool monkey boy

the fact this makes is ironic.

quote He invested in his family for the next month....

(no, I didnt think)

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Is this a kid?
He’s working at McDonalds instead of ripping off other people.
Maybe where he lives he is afraid to fix up the car till he can keep it safe.
I think the better thing to do would be to talk to him and maybe give him some pointers instead of pointing at him.
Its hard when your young, you should have seen the Chevelle I had when I was 16, it was a bomb but I was proud of it.
Some people deserve our jabs but just make sure that you are poking someone that deserves it.

well, to make matters worse (or even better, depends on how you look at it...) the chickens left us easter eggs.

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oh yeah?

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You shoulda seen the guys laughing at me when I paid $1200 for a paintjob for a crummy 87 Fiero wih a bluebook of what.. $1,000?..

Really, who knows.. This could be this guys project car, it could be his only car, or he could think it's killer..Just like we all do with our 4 parts cars in the driveway, that we paid $200 each for that we brag about. He could live in a bad area where some punk-a$$ kid could try to steal that thing for the ridey wing alone. Who knows.. Honestly, I don't think his car looks that bad, but who knows his situation.. This could be his dream car.. rust and all. Who are we to judge?

Again, I get really funky looks when I talk about an old 80s Fiero.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: A. you cant collect welfare if you are married but even if he was, you guys just dont get it unless you are willing to tell the guy to take a hike, you make a fool out of yourself by dis'ing the guy B. when you take his money, you are his servant, you are his monkey boy the fact that you dont even understand this makes it all the more ironic. so thats what you told him? (no, I didnt think so)

a. Yes, you can collect 'welfare' if you are married, depending on your definition of welfare. Foodstamps-absolutely-depending on your total household income.
WIC-certainly-with restrictions as above.
Housing assistance-yes again-with qualifiers.

b. This is no longer true, and hasn't been for some time. Maybe it should be true, but it just isn't anymore. Dealing with vendors has become a nightmare, both commercially and in the private sector. Things get done on their schedule, at their discretion, and sometimes not at all. Trying to get a bad job rworked is next to impossible in nearly all areas of endeavor. "The customer is always right" is a thing of the past. Customer Service has become "customer abuse", or "Customer avoidance", or "Customer runaround".

Oh come on! He put the security system in to protect his stereo. Not the car.

4 12" subs?? $1500 in stereo equipment?

The guy is an IDIOT!!! I'm sorry but I think anyone who has THAT much bass in his car is F-ING STUPID!!!

The only reason to have that much bass power in a car is so that you can bludgeon entire city blocks with your crappy-ass music. So that people can hear you coming half a mile away from inside a closed house.

Moron.

Ed

I've always felt that someone who has invested in something and takes pride in it is far less likely to engage in anti-social behavior (e.g. mugging me) than someone who has neither. The car may not be my taste; the sound system may not be my taste ... but so what? It's his choice. It's his taste (or lack of same). And he's the one who's paying for it.

Ridicule is not humor ... it's just bigotry with a smile on its face. (No, this last observation is not directed at anyone in particular.)

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I've always felt that someone who has invested in something and takes pride in it is far less likely to engage in anti-social behavior (e.g. mugging me) than someone who has neither. The car may not be my taste; the sound system may not be my taste ... but so what? It's his choice. It's his taste (or lack of same). And he's the one who's paying for it. Ridicule is not humor ... it's just bigotry with a smile on its face. (No, this last observation is not directed at anyone in particular.)

I'm not disputing his right to build his car however he wants to. But many people who have stereos like that in their cars DO engage in anti-social behavior: playing music very, very loud, so loud that it can be heard from a significant distance inside a closed building.

I worked for a nursing home in Cedar Rapids. One Sunday night, after 9 PM, some dork with more money than brains had a boom-box-on-wheels in a parking lot across the street. I was inside a CLOSED BRICK BUILDING and I could clearly hear the damn bass from that jerkoff's stereo. The residents were trying to sleep; I finally ended up calling the cops.

There's a moron in my neighborhood who has a POS Chevy Impala (pre-90s) with a badly straightened quarter panel but he's got enough horsepower in his subwoofers to move the car under its own power. How do I know this? Oh, the many times that crapface has driven SLOWLY through my neighborhood AFTER MIDNIGHT with his stereo on full-blast.

People have a right to build powerful stereos, yes. I don't care about that. But what I DO care about is when they have NO consideration for other people.

Ed

hmm i tend to agree with ken... for some unknown reason... but anyway... the fact is as soon as he agrees to pay you for your services you do what HE wants... which means Fiero 5's boy, Jordan, could come in there and order you around just the way he likes... cuze guess what, he owns you for the 2 hours it takes to put that security system in... Just think that 10 year old boy gets to tell you what to do haha... quite great isn't it...

Rant over...

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hmm.... I am starting to smell that trashcan. My opinion is that some people will spend there money to do stupid things like that... what they realize and what we realize are the same, that we all have our own tastes and his differs... I am sure he would make fun of some of the stuff we do so its all fair... it happens...

quote Originally posted by Saber49: hmm i tend to agree with ken... for some unknown reason... but anyway... the fact is as soon as he agrees to pay you for your services you do what HE wants... which means Fiero 5's boy, Jordan, could come in there and order you around just the way he likes... cuze guess what, he owns you for the 2 hours it takes to put that security system in... Just think that 10 year old boy gets to tell you what to do haha... quite great isn't it...

Saber- First off, sweet sig! It looks way better than your old one.
secondly, i reserve the right to regard my customers in 2 ways. 1: Personally *I can think or say anything that I care to say to my fellow co-workers (Who usually agree with what it is I'm joking about anyway) or friends when they are not in hearing distance. and 2: Professionally *How I treat the customer face to face, how I work on their vehicle, and how I make sure that they are satisfied with the service they received.

Order me around? What do you think this is? Are you kidding me? I'm doing a service for THEM! If someone brings a nasty filthy car in to the shop I can tell them to clean it out first if it's too bad. If Something's broken I don't HAVE to work on it... The reason that people bring their cars to the place that I work is because they can't do it themselves. I don't bring my car to an autoshop to have something fixed and expect to boss the workers around. HA! I give them as much cooperation as possible because it's something that I'm paying them to do. Granted, if they screw it up, then I'll complain, but as long as they do a good job, you stay out of their way. Same thing here. If that kid wanted me to put on that ridiculous wing on his Camaro, I'd do it if he paid me to. I'd do a damn good job too! Then when he left I'd laugh my ass off for how silly it looked. When was the last time you went somewhere to get something worked on (Computer, cars, glass, machining, etc...) and bossed them around?!

On another note: Ken W; I'm not trying to be offensive here, just honestly curious. I've seen you post TONS in the off topic part of this forum, and never once have I seen you post in any of the other parts of the forum. Do you even have a Fiero? Or like them? Or do you just read and post the Off/Topic area for what it has to offer solely?

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please dont take any offence, (i hope you dont but i really want to say it, i almost didnt type it but i will
you say the guy has a ricer wing.... well you said " erector set wing" which is pretty much a ricer wing.. correct?

but yet you have a "ricer wing" on your car aswell right??

sorry i had to get it out

Hey Rich. How goes it?

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ya your probibly right,
one of the parts stores here had a sale on the ugly tape on Lund hood scoups i think they were like $40 a set, and vertually EVERYBODY has them, i see them on minivans, dodge trucks, and minivans and hondas... there everywhere, it almost makes me sick.. hell there not even functional they just stick on

I think the true concern here that Oslo is getting at is that this young gentleman has some trouble with his priorities. He's 20 years old and already has a wife and kid, which says something about his decision making abilities already. He must have a pretty lofty position at McDonalds if he can afford to spend that much money on a car thats rusted out with a 2.8 that won't be too long for the world (can't quite see the odometer, but it looks like its well over 100k) AND still have enough leftover to take care of his wife and kids. One would think that, given those circumstances, money would go to supporting the family and saving for the future, not inflating ones ego through a used car in poor condition. As for his tastes, to each their own.

quote Originally posted by $Rich$: please dont take any offence, (i hope you dont but i really want to say it, i almost didnt type it but i will you say the guy has a ricer wing.... well you said " erector set wing" which is pretty much a ricer wing.. correct? but yet you have a "ricer wing" on your car aswell right?? sorry i had to get it out

And the pot calls the kettle black.

I could point out why your fiero is a POS and its dumb to put any money into a car that has a blue book value of 1800 at best. Of course I want to do the same thing with my fiero and dump money I'll nver get back into it.

Do what you like, you never know, that camaro could get a 454 supercharged and run an 8...of course that most likely wont happen, but whatever.

I know for a fact when (if) I do an engine swap on my fiero Im going to rice it out something awful. Spray-can paint-job, off angled home-made sidepipes, big ricer wing (dont know if I want the swoopy one like yours,which is horibbly, horribly rice, or an erector set set one like the aformentioned camaro.)

The term sleeper will be a understatment. The term "Abomination on 4 wheels thats to damn fast" will suit me better like my old rusted out 88 supra turbo. Sure, it was damn fast, but I could pull a piece of metal off of it and make a hole it was rusted so bad. When Im driving my 97 Buick Regal GS Supercharged no one will race me and even ask why I put exhasut on a buick. I give them a rev and hope they can hear the supercharger. Normaly they cant so I just say "13.7, in the quater, BRO"

What Im trying to say is, if it doesnt bother other people, do what ya want. I personal find people in minivans and SUV's that pull to far into the middle lane at a stop light so I cant see to turn right on red more of a hassle than someone playing a loud system with rap music blaring (I despise rap more than anything.) Of course thats just me.

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quote Originally posted by Oslo: Saber- First off, sweet sig! It looks way better than your old one. secondly, i reserve the right to regard my customers in 2 ways. 1: Personally *I can think or say anything that I care to say to my fellow co-workers (Who usually agree with what it is I'm joking about anyway) or friends when they are not in hearing distance. and 2: Professionally *How I treat the customer face to face, how I work on their vehicle, and how I make sure that they are satisfied with the service they received. Order me around? What do you think this is? Are you kidding me? I'm doing a service for THEM! If someone brings a nasty filthy car in to the shop I can tell them to clean it out first if it's too bad. If Something's broken I don't HAVE to work on it... The reason that people bring their cars to the place that I work is because they can't do it themselves. I don't bring my car to an autoshop to have something fixed and expect to boss the workers around. HA! I give them as much cooperation as possible because it's something that I'm paying them to do. Granted, if they screw it up, then I'll complain, but as long as they do a good job, you stay out of their way. Same thing here. If that kid wanted me to put on that ridiculous wing on his Camaro, I'd do it if he paid me to. I'd do a damn good job too! Then when he left I'd laugh my ass off for how silly it looked. When was the last time you went somewhere to get something worked on (Computer, cars, glass, machining, etc...) and bossed them around?! So what if I'm ragging on this guy's ride. Who cares? I still dealt with him as professionally as the woman that brought her 2004 Cadillac in afterwards for a stereo! I did a top notch install on his beater, and he drove it off very happy with it and very satisfied with the service that he received! So enough of all of this crap! Some of you guys are ridiculous. On another note: Ken W; I'm not trying to be offensive here, just honestly curious. I've seen you post TONS in the off topic part of this forum, and never once have I seen you post in any of the other parts of the forum. Do you even have a Fiero? Or like them? Or do you just read and post the Off/Topic area for what it has to offer solely?

You have a bit of a point there Oslo... i just speak from my experience... i work in retail and were taught that the customer is always right or something to that effect... No offense ment by any of that just my 2 cents...

Oh and thanks for the compliments on the sig

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: One would think that, given those circumstances, money would go to supporting the family and saving for the future, not inflating ones ego through a used car in poor condition. As for his tastes, to each their own.

Being young and raising a family is pretty tough. It does take money you can use to get a nicer vehicle, no matter what you have.
You give up alot also. One being your ego. Somewhat. A man needs an ego. Also a mental release from the responcibilities. A man's car is a release. Maybe this is all he can afford for now.
My stereo was important to me when I was in his shoes.
As far as mocking him, I have seen cars that come into the shop where it is just filthy. It forms an opinion. It wouldn't be an opinion if it were not shared. By sharing an opinion, one has a chance to re-think it based upon feedback to it.

quote Originally posted by Oslo: I suppose I kind of understand, for kids to do it, but this guy was 20 and had his wife and baby with him. I just don't get it...

When I was twenty, I was becoming a man. I still had tendencies I acquired earlier.

Oslo

how are you now? isnt it time for a new McDonalds? did he show you his clown performance?

Maybe his car hits a little mirror, you are laughing snoot at people.

Until then, post something like this on the web

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You know what Ken? I was trying to be nice to you, but all I ever see of you around here is you trying to teach a lesson, or tell everyone else how wrong they are and how to fix themselves. You are nothing more than a self-righteous troll. I was sincerely interested in your relationship to this Fiero forum, and now I'm not. What's your problem? Do you always have to invade topics and explain what everyone else is doing wrong.

If everyone that was in the same professional position as me (working on cars, or doing any other similar services) was as serious as you want them to be, admiring every pile of trash that drives up, then we would all go nuts and quit, and the next time you wanted work done noone would be there because we've all gone mad. Lighten up. Haven't you ever laughed at anything? I could care less what this guy does with his life. This guy could drive the car around like this for the rest of his life and it would not impact me. It was just a funny thing to see for the 2 hours it was sitting in my shop. Now that it's gone, I don't care anymore.

As for the comments of ricing up my car. There is a huge difference between my car and the aforementioned Car:
I have put thousands of dollars into my car, and thousands of hours into my car. My car was a vision that I created. My car is done well.

Ken, the next time you see someone or something that you think is silly, or ugly and you make a smug remark about it, I hope that your god smites you in the worst way. Do you think that you are perfect that you can run your mouth telling everyone else in the world how to live?

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quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: Until then, show some respect for the people YOU work for. You just dont understand the service industry, so I will say it again: If you worked for me and you posted something like this on the web I would fire you so fast it would make your head spin By your own admission, you act all nice and professional to the customers to their face, then mock them and laugh at them behind their backs with your friends. You know what that makes you? A two-faced brown nose suck up.

So in your world, Oslo can never say anything bad about a customer to anyone? It is clear that you would require him to be nice and polite to the customer (which it appears he was). But then to vent to his friends he becomes two-faced?

Just because someone is a customer during Oslo's working hours does not mean that he controls his entire life. Once Oslo is off the clock, he is on his own time. Unless someone is in a high-profile job like football coach or university president, what he chooses to do off work is no business of any of his customers or his boss (except things like drugs that can still be affecting him during work hours).

so if your car found photos of you

you would tell all your friends to take your car ?

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quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: so if you took your car somewhere for service or work and later found photos of it on the internet, with the technican/mechanic publically mocking you you would not have any problem with that? you would tell all your friends to take your car there for service?

No, I would not be pleased that my car was mocked. But I wouldn't insist that the mocker be fired for it.

If I had gotten professional, honest service, I would tell my friends that I had gotten good service there. If they were sensitive about their car, I would probably also tell them about the mocking. If that lost business to the company, it might be a reason to fire the mocker. Stranger things have happened.

But what I was referring to in your post was that it seemed you were critizing Oslo for acting one way in front of the customer and another way to his friends. Basically making it seem that he had to act professional in every aspect of his life. If I misread that, then never mind.

Note: The above only pertains to mocking about the car. If they were bragging about mistreating it in some way, I would come down on them like a ton of bricks.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: Oslo Im willing to bet when you were in 3rd grade you pulled the same schtick, mocking other students, being a bully, laughing at people and putting them down.

I'd be willing to bet you still do it too.