quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: the growing european economy?! YIKES! the only thing that is happening over there is, as the EU goverment takes over the trade with neighboring countrys becomes a little easier, so now instead of being taxed to death, europeans are only being taxed within a cm of their life. what is growing in europe? their trade unions give workers something like 2 months vacation per year, every time you get the sniffels they send you off to a spa in the alps for a week their natural resources are tapped out, their land use is maxed out when was the last time you bought anything 'made in europe' ? Seriously? of all the money you spent last year, how much of it went to Europe?

Would any of our poor, decrepit, and declining EU members like to chime in here with personal stories of how all the countries in the EU are swirling the chamberpot?

I specifically would like to hear stories of fantasic vacations awarded to those in the throes of a cold.

JazzMan

I see Jazzman sidestepped the question

ducked the question?

Come on Jazz, how much money from your pocket went to europe last year?

what did you buy?

computer SW? cell phone? DVD player? micro electronics?

any video games? Toys? hunting equipment?

boating, sailing, fishing gear? a snowmobile? ATV?

I know, a 45" plasma TV?

Did you buy any real estate in Europe? a Villa in the swiss alps?

Medical equipment?

How about music? how many music CDs did you purchase that were produced in europe?

how many movies did you see or buy on DVD from europe?

what is the growing economy based on that you are so anxious to invest your money in?

Ken, whatever meds you're supposed to be on you should start taking again, you're babbling like an idiot.

JazzMan

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: JazzMan

Ken don't do drugs, he does Jesus in mass quantities.
If JC had a bobble head it would look just like Ken.

Toddster: I never said that it would be a landslide victory for Kerry. I wanted him to win and it was close til Ohio messed it up. I never liked his wife and thier ugly kids but he still would have been a better leader than W.

FieroBear: That pasted crap about the economy by Greenspan, Snow ie: high level govt tit decision cabinet members would never admit to a downward spiraling demise of thier instutional worthless capacity. Crap like ``We are now at a comfortable cruising altitude,'' said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Banc of ..."
That spun garbage is pure an utter B.S.

Facts like home sales dropping and lower incomes speaks louder than thier worthless capacity & fiscal governance/control babble.

Ken: I think your still licking your wounds on that Egyptian mythology and virgin birth/ resurrection / savior conversation we got into. It must have hit you like a ton of bricks to find out that christianity and the bible is just an old book written by jews w/ some egyptian tales thrown in.
I will say it again- The bible has helped some and hurt some but it no longer serves a purpose in todays REAL society problems.
Looking up and asking god for help doesnt do a damn thing.
And churches now take IN more than they hand OUT.

So we need to bite back at those who are dismantling our futures. We need to be smarter than usual on these matters.
As you know-The BTK killer was a outstanding member of his Lutheran church.
As you know many of 'W's supporters are so-called christians. They have backed this govts killing and tortures and then wobble to their SUVs plagued w/ stickers of ribbons supporting the troops and that godforesaken 'W 04' sticker I keep seeing everywhere.

And Yes Ken I would move to Canada. At this time I cant afford to.
With Social Security going away here, Canada social band aids are much better.
Its too bad they also hate Americans almost as much as the rest of the world now.

Again I am angry at this countries leaders, its political decisions both domestic and foreign and corporations, marketplace and lending, CIA, DoD practices etc.
I'm just telling everyone what they already know. That stuff I WROTE that started this thread is some of the best I have ever written. I didnt paste a damn thing. 2 yrs of college english paid off.
I feel like Paul Revere in telling you that we are facing the collapse of what once was a great nation.
Those that are scamming everyone would have you believe otherwise.
Just follow the money trails to get to whats REALLY going on in the United States of Whatever the hell it has now become...

One big financial orgy.

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: FieroBear: That pasted crap about the economy by Greenspan, Snow ie: high level govt tit decision cabinet members would never admit to a downward spiraling demise of thier instutional worthless capacity. Crap like ``We are now at a comfortable cruising altitude,'' said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Banc of ..." That spun garbage is pure an utter B.S.

Yup, if the facts don't agree with your doomsday garbage, then the info is crap. Uh huh, yeah.

quote Facts like home sales dropping and lower incomes speaks louder than thier worthless capacity & fiscal governance/control babble.

You mean like this? http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050228/economy_9.html

Associated Press
New Home Sales Dip on Bad Weather in Jan.
Monday February 28, 12:57 pm ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
New Home Sales Drop 9.2 Percent in January on Bad Weather in Many Parts of the U.S.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sales of new homes fell 9.2 percent in January while the median price of a new home skidded to the lowest level in more than a year. Analysts blamed the worse-than-expected showing on bad weather in many parts of the country rather than any serious problems in the red hot housing market.
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New home sales dipped to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.11 million units in January with every region of the country except the West exhibiting weakness, the Commerce Department reported. The median price of a home, the point where half sold for more and half for less, fell 13.2 percent to $199,400, the lowest level since December 2003.

Analysts sought to minimize the significance of both declines, however, saying they were heavily influenced by bad weather in many parts of the country last month. They said that housing, the stand out performer of the current recovery, should remain on solid footing this year unless mortgage rates rise more than expected.

In a second Commerce report, personal incomes, which had been bolstered by a large stock dividend payment in December, plunged 2.3 percent in January. That was the sharpest decline in more than a decade for personal incomes, which posted a record 3.7 percent jump in December.

However, the government said that both months were skewed by a $3 per share dividend payment that computer software giant Microsoft made on Dec. 2.

Without the huge $32 billion dividend payment by Microsoft, personal incomes would have shown steadier gains of 0.6 percent in December and 0.5 percent in January.

Personal spending was unchanged in January after having risen by 0.8 percent in December. This reflected the fact that demand for autos sagged last month as dealers removed attractive incentive offers they had used to spur end-of-the-year sales.

A gauge of inflation tied to consumer spending showed that prices outside of food and energy rose by 0.3 percent in January, the biggest one-month jump in more than three years.

Stocks were lower on Wall Street as investors exhibited new inflation concerns, reflecting the price jump in consumer goods and a further increase in oil prices. The Dow Jones industrial average was down 80 points in early afternoon trading.

Economists believe that consumer spending, which accounts for two-thirds of economic activity, will remain strong this year but at a slightly slower pace than last year. That would reflect an expected steady rise in interest rates as the Federal Reserve keeps pushing rates higher to make sure the economic expansion, now in its fourth year, does not generate unwanted inflation.

Analysts look for mortgage rates to gradually rise as well, to around 6.5 percent for the 30-year mortgage by the end of the year. After falling for six straight weeks, the 30-year mortgage has risen for the past two weeks and now stands at 5.69 percent, according to Freddie Mac.

Last week, the National Association of Realtors reported that sales of existing homes and condominiums had fallen as well in January, dipping a slight 0.1 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.8 million units.

Both sales of new and existing homes set all-time highs in 2004 for the fourth consecutive year.

David Seiders, chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders, said he believed sales of new homes would probably dip by about 3.5 percent this year but still remain at the second highest level on record.

"There will be moderate increases in interest rates, but they will be accompanied by continued improvements in the job market and increases in household income," Seiders said.

The report on new home sales showed weakness in every part of the country except the West, where sales rose by 5.6 percent to an annual rate of 338,000 units.

The biggest decline was a record 40.3 percent plunge in the Midwest where sales dropped to an annual rate of 145,000 units. Sales fell 17.1 percent in the Northeast to an annual rate of 63,000 units and were down 3.3 percent in the South to a rate of 560,000 units.

For January, consumer spending was held back by a big drop in demand for durable goods such as cars. The unchanged overall figure was the weakest showing since a 0.3 percent decline in June of last year.

Disposable, or after-tax incomes, fell by 2.6 percent last month after having shot up by 4.1 percent in December, changes that were also influenced by the Microsoft stock dividend payment.

The drop in disposable incomes pushed the savings rate down to 1 percent in January.

I said that SLOW HOME SALES and LOWER INCOMES SUPPORTS my arguement.

NOT THIERS.

You are totally clueless.

Thier babble about healthy economy, clear skies, and high altitudes doesnt make sense w/ slower home sales and lower incomes DOES IT???????????????????????????

We are over stocked w/ 7 months of inventory here in TX. Over 50,000 houses in Houston not selling.
I am in a R/E class and we talked about this today.

Go back to bed bro-
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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Ken, whatever meds you're supposed to be on you should start taking again, you're babbling like an idiot. JazzMan

more personal attacks

more sidestepping the questions and issues

Someone call Germany and tell them Jazzman says everything is OK

every day in every way were getting better and better!

or maybe not? from todays news:

quote German jobless rate at new record Unemployment in Germany is at record levels More than 5.2 million Germans were out of work in February, new figures show. The figure of 5.216 million people, or 12.6% of the working-age population, is the highest jobless rate in Europe's biggest economy since the 1930s. The news comes as the head of Germany's panel of government economic advisers predicted growth would again stagnate. Speaking on German TV, Bert Ruerup said the panel's earlier forecast of 1.4% was too optimistic and warned growth would be just 1% in 2005. "Do something!" The growth warning triggered anger even from government supporters, who said the Social Democrat-Green administration of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had to do more. "We are not going to create more jobs with growth of 1%," Harald Schartau, head of the Social Democrats in the northern state of North Rhine-Westphalia, told ZDF television. "We say to our friends in Berlin, you have to persevere and create more impulse for growth." Many German newspapers had the figures a day ahead, splashing them with angry headlines on Tuesday morning. The mass-market Bild tabloid used red type to splash the phrase, "Do something!" across its front page.

Dont worry my friends, Jazzman is pulling all his money out of the US markets and investing it in your growing economy!

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: One day last week the market went down 176 points. I thought it was the beginning of my 'doomsday corrections' Despite gas going up 5.8% w/ Saudi promises, Iran and N. Korea diplomacy issues, & hearing more about International house dumping the dollar nothings changed. Or has it? The U.S.A is 40-60 billion dollars poorer since I started this thread. OUT>

Let's put these figures in perspective, shall we?

The Dow-Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) has been averaging in the area of around 10,000, right?

176 is less than TWO PERCENT OF THAT. It's a big slide, but it's only two percent of the total value. If you want to see a crash, it's going to have to be huge; two percent won't count.

Second, do you know what the annual GDP of the US is? It is in the neighborhood of TEN TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.

$50 billion is EDIT 0.5% END EDIT of our annual GDP. $50 billion is POCKET CHANGE. And that doesn't include the value of assets held by the US, either; that number is JUST WHAT WE PRODUCE EVERY YEAR. It doesn't include the stuff we already have! You know, things like houses, factories, businesses, etcetera.

We've heard a lot about international money traders dumping the dollar but have not seen very much of that taking place. By all estimations, the Asian market seems to be holding onto their dollars for the long term, too.

Look, I'm not saying that the US economy is invincible. But hyperbolizing about how everything is going to go into the shitter won't convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Ed

EDIT: Corrected arithmetical error.

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: I said that SLOW HOME SALES and LOWER INCOMES SUPPORTS my arguement. NOT THIERS. You are totally clueless.

For your reasons, your interpretation. Noone elses.

You have been CONSISTENTLY WRONG ever since you started posting this crap. It's time for YOU to buy a clue.

quote Thier babble about healthy economy, clear skies, and high altitudes doesnt make sense w/ slower home sales and lower incomes DOES IT??????????????????????????? We are over stocked w/ 7 months of inventory here in TX. Over 50,000 houses in Houston not selling. I am in a R/E class and we talked about this today. Go back to bed bro- OUT>

Get out of your bed, and off the drugs. You're making an ass out of yourself.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e= 3&u=/ap/20050301/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_faith_based

We DO NOT need religous or church groups deciding where federal monies go.
WE NEED federal agencies dispersing federal monies directly to those who qualify and are in need.
Obviously Republican led branches are ARE CUTTING BACK SOCIAL PROGRAMS WHILE INCREASING DEFENSE SPENDING 1000X.
Thier helping thier campaign beneficiaries and friends...<kickbacks> so to speak.
Thats considered good ol' merican business.

These faith based initiatives fall into the handicapped/retarded/menatlly or physically challenged care facilities that I talked about earlier in this thread.
The budgets for those State facilities that were once responsible for those tasks are now being shut down and faith based entities (under Bushs actions) are now getting involved in this process.

This is a collapse of social justice.
Like I said many times before, those without representation in WA get to live under a park bench. And clever as they are-already have laws & fees against living under park benchs aimed at the future hordes of homeless this administration will displace (your children and thier grandchildren).

The amount of money trading hands from corporations, lobbyists and politicians has steered this nation into a DEAD END. We should have learned thru the ages that the golden rule doesnt work. Those with the gold making the rules-(rules, appropriations, laws and policy) have UNDONE our moral and social fabric and freedoms.

It seems that if you are mentally challenged and have been kicked out of a State care facility, you must now goto a religious church/synague/mosque to try and get the 24 hr care recieved under State care facilities.

Bush is the biggest idiot ever. He is pandering to the religious sector & steering federal monies that should be going to direct care State sponsored non-religious facilities.
More money for the industrial war machine and less for citizens of the United States is HYPOCRISY to me.

You guys are ****ing idiots for voting this ******* in again.
Every day this idiot president takes the wrong path.
Invading countries, cutting back social programs, greasing cronies
mini nuke programs...damn

By the way they are raising taxes again here in TX to pay for education.
Bush said no new taxes. At least Kerry had the honesty to say he would.
Corporations are already sending in lobbyists to get around paying thier share.
Let the little man on the bottom bare his ass yet again.

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: Obviously Republican led branches are ARE CUTTING BACK SOCIAL PROGRAMS WHILE INCREASING DEFENSE SPENDING 1000X.

Let me see...increasing defense spending 1000x would mean...well, let's just use hypothetical numbers, shall we?

Assume the defense budget is, oh, half the annual US federal budget. It's not, but let's pretend it is. That would be around $1.2 trillion dollars.

One thousand times $1.2 trillion is...hmm...

$1.2 trillion is $1,200,000,000,000 or 1.2 times ten to the twelfth.

A thousand times $1.2 trillion is $1,200,000,000,000,000 (or 1.2 times ten to the fifteenth), which is about 500x the annual US federal budget.

Sorry! Not possible.

And then come the usual insults coupled with hyperbole.

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: You guys are ****ing idiots for voting this ******* in again. Every day this idiot president takes the wrong path. Invading countries, cutting back social programs, greasing cronies mini nuke programs...damn

No social programs are being cut; they are reductions in the rate of growth. As far as I know the US has invaded two countries since 2001--Afghanistan and Iraq. There are more? I would assume so since it is happening "every day", no?

"Greasing cronies"--evidence?

"Mini nuke programs"? What on earth are you talking about??

And lastly, an obvious ignorance of how the US government is structured and how it functions:

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: By the way they are raising taxes again here in TX to pay for education. Bush said no new taxes. At least Kerry had the honesty to say he would. Corporations are already sending in lobbyists to get around paying thier share. Let the little man on the bottom bare his ass yet again.

I realize that your hatred for Bush trumps the facts, but surely you know the difference between FEDERAL and STATE taxes. George Bush has no control over the state government of Texas. Your problem therefore is with them, not with Bush.

This is so very funny to watch.

Ed

Wait.. I got one..

Someone asked if we purchased anything made in Europe.

Just this last year the company I work for purchased a German company.

I won't mention that since the takeover we've increased their staff and profitabilty since we all know "Mericans" cant do nutin right with Bushie in charge.

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: By the way they are raising taxes again here in TX to pay for education. Bush said no new taxes. At least Kerry had the honesty to say he would.

Which "they" are you referring to in raising your taxes to pay for education? You do realize that education is funded primarly at the state level, so that would be a state tax, not a federal tax.

But you're a Kerry supporter, and Kerry said he would raise taxes, so why are you complaining? You're getting what you wanted.

Ed:
Our State House is Republican owned.

As you know education programs are also federally backed.
The federal govt gives or channels monies to all 50 States.
How they dispense federal funds is up to them.
Here in TX they have squandered that money and must now raise taxes to cover the spread.

Republicans both Federal and State parties keep ties with eachother on issues.

Also: I suppose that you think credit card companies had NOTHING to do with the recent Republican backed bankruptcy legislation???
In your child mindset you may believe that Republicans are actually helping the majority of Americans.
And that this type of legislations just comes about naturally....
Follow the money trails

America sucks.
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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: America sucks. OUT>

Democracy really sucks when your guys don't win, huh?

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: America sucks. OUT>

One good thing about America is that you are free to leave any time you wish. I hear China is lovely this time of year, and you'd likely feel right at home with their communist ideals.

Be careful not to let the exit door hit you in the ass.

The door is already hitting everybody here in the ass...that is unless you are worth 100 million (or more).
If we continue to let Bankers, Walmarts, and Corporations influence & run our govt
China will look like a paradise.
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1000x was an exageration Ed it more like 6-25x

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: Many believe there will be a short bull run in the market until January. Some profit taking late this year will ultimately slow this run down a bit. But get ready for the 'shocker'. When Congress gets back in session January, a sudden jolt will crack the foundation of our entire financial system. January to early February a serious decline in our market will bring to light many things gone wrong in the U.S. and global economy.International investors, bankers & holding houses will be taking steps to protect thier investments from devaluation after they realize this Republican led U.S. govt & its high level decision makers have no value added agenda other than spend. And spend they will.

so! bush's tax cuts for the wealthy is gonna hurt the wealthy?
hmm!
i thought he was for the rich "i guess not"

quote A session dedicated to (1) permanent tax cuts for those making over 200k a yr and taking steps to (2) remove Social Security for those born after 1966 will have no value added benefits. Appropriating another trillion or two for the 'War on Terror' & its govt agencies (during this flat economy) will not add any real value (3) (other than make some Fortune 500's happy w/ lucrative govt contracts) . However, thier spending spree may prevent some high level workers from layoffs. The Republican sponsored corporate lunch tax break wont help anything but some rich people fatter by allowing them to write off 80% of thier lunches now.

1. permanent tax cuts - less money for the government to spend .
2. remove social security for people born after 1966 - correction! - make it obsolite or unnecesary (it would be nice if people actually had enough money at retire so they wouldn't need social security) but i guess being elderly and dependant upon the government for your needs would suit you just fine...
3. make some fortune 500's happy? - isn't that contrary to what you said in your first paragraph?...

quote A major force pushing this country to a controlled downward spiral is U.S. trade deficit with China The impact of globalizing and free trade has reared its ugly head. The majority of people in the U.S have seen thier lifestyles & standards of living manipulated and gone down because of it. China is winning this war with trillions going thier way with jobs/resources staying there. Thier currency and Bush's removal of Clintons dollar policy law have caused further damage to common Americans.

If you think our national debt is scary; you should have a look at china's - the chinese government has been on a spending spree for years now. Their goal has been to become a global economy and compete dirrectly with america. Many companies in china have also been on a spending spree and have leveraged themselves with debt ratios that would get american ceo(s) fired and jailed. So if you think our economy is in trouble, china's should scare the living hell out of you. China and its companies are all swimming in debt. They have taken an all or nuthing position in their competition with us and europe. They will either steam roll us and take our global market share or they will collapse and blame america

quote We must nationalize America and de-privatize the Cenral Bank in the U.S.

so you think we should centralize the central bank - limit the control to a small group of super wealthy and powerful , type a personalities.
good luck with that one.

quote We must stop the efforts to liberate Iraq and others.

yeah we wouln't want freedom to breakout , or stable economies to start popping up in the middle east. Lets just leave them all in the control of dictatorships that have only 1 goal in mind (get the bomb and kill all infidels) - yeeeah!

quote We must take back our govt that was created by the people FOR THE PEOPLE.

WE DID! "4 More Years"

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: Ed: Our State House is Republican owned. As you know education programs are also federally backed. The federal govt gives or channels monies to all 50 States. How they dispense federal funds is up to them. Here in TX they have squandered that money and must now raise taxes to cover the spread. Republicans both Federal and State parties keep ties with eachother on issues. OUT>

So? It still begs the question--how is it Bush's fault? Are you saying that Bush told the TX GOP to raise taxes? Like it or not, Bush has bigger fish to fry and I seriously doubt he's given any thought to budget policy in TX with the war on terror etc.

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: 1000x was an exageration Ed it more like 6-25x

6-25x is still ludicrous. Assuming that defense spending is about a third of the annual federal budget (not an unreasonable guess, considering) that would run to about $667 billion.

6 times $667 billion is around $4 trillion, which is twice the WHOLE annual federal budget.
25 times $667billion is around $16.7 trillion, which is EIGHT TIMES the entire annual federal budget.

Your numbers--even your amended figures--do not hold water. Sorry.

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: In your child mindset you may believe that Republicans are actually helping the majority of Americans.

Again with the insults.

Ed

What a way to advance a debate. Your opening statement.

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: We DO NOT need religous or church groups deciding where federal monies go.

I missed it. When did this happen?

Ok. The elective government shouldn't. Churches shouldn't. I guess it's either you or me. Hmmm.....I thought this is why we vote.

"G", I like you. I appreciate your opinion. Although I do not agree with it, I also apreciate you taking the time to convince me that I might not have fully thought out my opinion. I can assure you of this though. I do not care how much you beat a dead horse, it will not come back to life.
I can understand those of our forum family who are exasperated with your diatribe. I still fault them for bookmarking this topic so they can say "I told you G". They should let it go.
If a fool does not believe you, can you make him not a fool ?

quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: These faith based initiatives fall into the handicapped/retarded/menatlly or physically challenged care facilities that I talked about earlier in this thread. The budgets for those State facilities that were once responsible for those tasks are now being shut down and faith based entities (under Bushs actions) are now getting involved in this process.

I will be the first to admit that I heeded your advice then discarded it. I have been in and out of this thread and missed the part where you brought up the handicapped and faith based connection. Maryjane did and I supported his observation.

I applaud you for bringing your thoughts to our attention. My mind has been enriched by you and other members of our forum. But not this time.

Homeland Defense DoD Budget CIA and other b.s. Terror / Rebuilding budgets will exceed 3 trillion compounded (past 5 yrs)
Clintons prior expenditures were less than 500 billion.
When W entered office in 1st term he was campaigning on a smaller govt and costs.
Spending or appropriating over 220 billion on that new fighter contract is also an example on how things are getting out of control.
355 billion was appropriated for DoD last year or the yr before ( I cant imagine seeing that kind of money) That didnt include the secret tab DoD is running in Iraq estimates are 200-350 billion already.
As you know Congress hasnt approved the entire hordes of monies going into these invasions so our executive administration has issued its executive priveliges to keep funds flowing using 'other secret channels'.

We will never really see what kind of money and where these transactions are all going to and to who. I remember reading about a press release on Bushs' remark on the U.S. paying an Afghan warlord 70 million dollars to control a region there and he said "is that all?"

NASA also funded W's campaign as thier budget would have been slashed by Kerry.
They recently receieved 16+ billion for some stupid lobbyied programs.

We simply cannot afford this kind of uncontrolled militarized spending and looting by top officials and companies like Exxon, Halliburton & others. ExxonMobil profits were boosted to record levels because of the costs oil gas and military fuels etc.
Secret tabs and deaths on a region that will ultimately give the World Bank 500 billion to repay its debts on being democratized. Only 25% of Iraqs so-called liberation or puppet govt fees will be paid thru oil sales. The rest will be payed by U.S.

Give me something positive that has come out of the new Republican owned govt.
No new stimulus other than Spend. Spend and Spend.

60% of our GDP was achieved during past peak invasion war time levels. In other words, spending massive amounts of imaginery money caused this country to become a place like N. Korea and Iraq where military spending takes control of and rears its ugly head.

cliffw: fact remains-churches SHOULD NOT be in charge of taking care of mentally challenged and handicapped people & monies/policies.

I personally dont care about others opinions only on where this nation is headed.
Ive seen the lives of most of my friends and others change for the worse because of high level decisions and bad domestic and foreign policy. NAFTA, BASEL II, WTO acceptance & imigration to name a few.

Everything revolves around politics & banks.
And bad corrupt politics has ruined America.
These guys and INTERESTS will squeeze us and run.

I may have jumped the gun stating that the Depression will come early 2005.
Those control of fiscal policy will try to make it a soft landing.
Consumption taxes, flat taxes etc. No more Social Security for those currently under 55, and other massive cuts in social programs and you guys continue to tout Bush.

Believe what you want its still a free country...or IS IT!!!!!!!

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quote Originally posted by G-Nasty: I personally dont care about others opinions

Ok, then why should anyone care what your opinions are?
...............
I'll ask that again....
...............
Why should anyone care what your opinions are?

Sounds like you're saying W. is making the wrong choices and you know what the right ones are and you have no care or concern what anyone else would want. That would be the classic definition of a dictatorship if you got your wish. Yet you're screaming about a free country?

I've got a news flash for you - some people disagree with you. Just because you are fervent in your beliefs does not make you more right than anyone else. That's WHY we have a 2 party system.

Instead of Democrats whining about the Republicans, they need to do something about it. We need stronger Democratic leadership that will challenge the Republican platforms they disagree with. But more than that, offer an alternative that's better. That is the check and balance we have in the system. When both parties are strong, they force each other to be better. Why do the Republicans hold majorities in the government right now? Because the Democrats have not been able to offer anything better. It's time for the Dems to step up to the plate and put their money where their mouth is.

Since W. won't be running for election in 2008, I wonder what Kerry's platform would be if he were to run again? His entire platform of 'not being George W. Bush' is irrelevant since anyone elected in the next election won't be W.

It's time Democrats gave the people something to be FOR, instead of complaining about what they're against.

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Well, I'm not sure I'd argue with you about it not being a "mandate", but then again when Clinton was re-elected in '96 only about 36% of the voters bothered to vote and of those 49% voted for him, so that means that out of all of the citizens of the United States less than 1 in 5 actually gave enough of a hoot to bother voting for Clinton yet the Democrats were saying that HE had a mandate. Fair's fair. John Stricker

How very clever of you to ignore the main point of my post and focus on a nearly insignificant side issue. Clinton isn't president now. Bush is.
You must be very proud. I don't think you fooled anyone, however.
The fact is, because of the current administrations total fiscal irresponsibility, the national debt has soared.
The value of the dollar has fallen, while the value of the euro had climbed.
We as a nation have bequeathed an enormous debt on our children and grandchildren.
Borrow and spend is NOT a sound fiscal policy.
Never was, never will be.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: How very clever of you to ignore the main point of my post and focus on a nearly insignificant side issue. Clinton isn't president now. Bush is. You must be very proud. I don't think you fooled anyone, however. The fact is, because of the current administrations total fiscal irresponsibility, the national debt has soared. The value of the dollar has fallen, while the value of the euro had climbed. We as a nation have bequeathed an enormous debt on our children and grandchildren. Borrow and spend is NOT a sound fiscal policy. Never was, never will be.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE WORLD IS ENDING! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: THE SKY IS FALLING! THE WORLD IS ENDING! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Man, I bet that will make a mess of your green carpet.

It'll all balance out in the end. When the economy collapses under incredible debt loads just like every single one of the other economies has in the history of civilization there will be lots of rioting and I wouldn't be surprised to see actual cash bounties paid for killing Republicans. There won't be an army big enough or a fenced compound strong enough to keep Republicans safe. Hehehe...

Yeppers, these things have a way of working themselves out in the long run.

JazzMan

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It'll all balance out in the end. When the economy collapses under incredible debt loads just like every single one of the other economies has in the history of civilization there will be lots of rioting and I wouldn't be surprised to see actual cash bounties paid for killing Republicans. There won't be an army big enough or a fenced compound strong enough to keep Republicans safe. Hehehe... Yeppers, these things have a way of working themselves out in the long run. JazzMan

So now you want us (Republicans) all dead?

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It'll all balance out in the end. When the economy collapses under incredible debt loads just like every single one of the other economies has in the history of civilization there will be lots of rioting and I wouldn't be surprised to see actual cash bounties paid for killing Republicans. There won't be an army big enough or a fenced compound strong enough to keep Republicans safe. Hehehe... Yeppers, these things have a way of working themselves out in the long run. JazzMan

If the economy collapses in your view of the future, there won't be any money to offer bounties. And paper money will be pretty worthless, anyway.

Democrats talking about putting a bouty on Republicans is like a Mexican pulling a knife at an NRA rally for tougher immigration laws. No too bright. Besides, have you looked at an election results map lately?

Democrats tend to cluster together in high density areas in metropolitan areas. You won't be difficult to contain.

When the time comes, I'll just hunt liberals for sport.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: It could be worse, Bill. The Democrats could be in power, and when they finish their communist takeover, they will MAKE YOU put green carpet in.

Why not? The Repugs are already making me do alot of things I don't want to do.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Democrats tend to cluster together in high density areas in metropolitan areas. You won't be difficult to contain. When the time comes, I'll just hunt liberals for sport.

...and, what will all those city-dwelling Democrats do for food? Most of the farmers and ranchers are Republicans. Also, most of the Democrats in the cities are opposed to gun ownership. Looks like the Republicans will have food AND guns. I don't think the Democrats will be capable of much resistance. Hell, we can just sit back and wait for them to starve to death. If they attack, we'll shoot 'em.

So much for your socialist revolution, Jazzman.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It'll all balance out in the end. When the economy collapses under incredible debt loads just like every single one of the other economies has in the history of civilization there will be lots of rioting and I wouldn't be surprised to see actual cash bounties paid for killing Republicans. There won't be an army big enough or a fenced compound strong enough to keep Republicans safe. Hehehe... Yeppers, these things have a way of working themselves out in the long run. JazzMan

Typical liberal. The people who don't agree with you deserve to be killed. That technique worked fairly well for Lenin and Stalin and Hitler....

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Fierobear, you should bear in mind that many of those Democrats who advocate gun control have guns. Why, not long ago the woman who was the head of the Illinois delegation to the Million Mom March was arrested for having an illegal firearm in her house. The gun had its serial number scratched off, and she doesn't have an Illinois Firearm Owner ID card, either.

Oh, but the law doesn't apply to HER because she's one of the GOOD GUYS I guess.

Ed

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So now you want us (Republicans) all dead?

Oh no, of course not. However, I won't be at all surprised or taken aback were it to pan out that way.

JazzMan

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Not my "socialist revolution", stop putting words in my mouth you ****n assshole. JazzMan

Stop talking like a socialst, and we have a deal.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Stop talking like a socialst, and we have a deal.

Well, your assertation that I'm talking like a socialist is a lie, pure and simple. There's no deal to be had here, I don't deal with liars.

JazzMan

quote Originally posted by edhering: Oh, but the law doesn't apply to HER because she's one of the GOOD GUYS I guess. Ed

Of course not, they are the elite, elightened, progressives...etc. We Republicans are just a bunch of knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping, poor-stomping Neanderthals. How f***ing DARE we earn what we have, and want to keep it?!? How DARE we have guns to keep the will of the government in check.