hmmmm.... Did Fiero5's many user names ban another one?
last I remember hes got like 6+

It's beginning to feel alot like Christmas !!! This place is like a Christmas Tree with a lot of red lights lately !

quote Originally posted by Maniak84: I have no doubt that I'm next. And when you find out who you banned, you may wonder what exactly I said that was sooo wrong.

Your the one that has said this more than once now /\
I and obviously a few others now are wondering why you felt the need to say this?

quote Originally posted by Stinkin_V8: You've said that twice now.. Why don't you tell us who you are? I haven't seen any reason to rate you either way, myself. All I've seen is an accusation that you may be someone else, so how about clearing it up?

If you were here in 2001 and paying attention, you'd know who I am. timmer knows. It doesn't take a detective.

All i'm sayin is that we used to have such fun here. People could speak their mind, and if others didn't like it, they could speak up and put the other person in their place. Now everyone hides behind an anonymous rating, and get all giddy with glee when someone is banned. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just saying that it's not as much fun.

quote Originally posted by zMacK: hmmmm.... Did Fiero5's many user names ban another one? last I remember hes got like 6+

quote Originally posted by Maniak84: All i'm sayin is that we used to have such fun here. People could speak their mind, and if others didn't like it, they could speak up and put the other person in their place. Now everyone hides behind an anonymous rating, and get all giddy with glee when someone is banned. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just saying that it's not as much fun.

Alright, I see your point and I agree. I'd like to say I don't hide behind the anonymous ratings, but I think I've spoken my mind to a few that I felt were a negative influene to this forum. The recent bannings have got a few of us around here on a bit of a power trip and while I share their satisfaction of the recent cleanup, I think a bit of a witch hunt is not out of reach. We need to be a little cautious, I think.

I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, however after reading a few of your comments in this thread and in a few others as of late I have a question: If your not SH/JM then please explain this post you just made:

quote Originally posted by Maniak84: I'll be signing copies of this magazine at my local TG&Y this weekend. Thanks for your support!

seen here:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/047452.html

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fiero 5 its not sh or who ever you are thinking, these guys are right if you stop feeding the trolls they will feed elsewhere!!!
maniak84 i see why you are doing and i guess i understand why you are doing but, i dont think i agree with the way you are doing .what do i know im only a small fish in the pond

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FYI: Maniak84 is Stimpy being silly.

timmer, how is maniaks constant jab comments like among others saying "I'll be signing copies of this magazine at my local TG&Y this weekend. Thanks for your support!" without even a j/k or anything become feeding the trolls? He is sounding like, acting like and pretty much comming off like...and your saying it's our fault for feeding trolls? I'm sorry if I just don't get it.

fiero5 you misconstru my comment . he wants you to treat him like a troll thats what he is counting on . he is goading you into making a statement . he specifically made a comment that he knew you would respond to . do you go to the zoo and feed the bears when they are trying to reach you throught the bars ?????????????? same thing applys here fiero5 . i am not condoning what maniak84 is doing but he did make a point that you are not getting . i will probably get major crap for this now but when i made my post the other day i said enough , well it is enough im sure every one else is tired of the bickering as well! responding to insults and resorting to playground tactics are sad and i wont play into them any more . i challenge you as well to do the same fiero5 . btw i have nothing against you , i have two sons and plan to try to have a close relationship with them as well i respect you for doing for your son what you have buy , lets ignore the trolls

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quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Maniak84 is actually Stimpy?

This makes since, he is a moderator over in trollville. Sounds like Stimpy is trying to burn bridges so he has something to talk about that isn't slander or a lie.

quote Originally posted by Maniak84: All i'm sayin is that we used to have such fun here. People could speak their mind, and if others didn't like it, they could speak up and put the other person in their place. Now everyone hides behind an anonymous rating, and get all giddy with glee when someone is banned. I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just saying that it's not as much fun.

Not exactly accurate if memory serves me correctly (& I think it does). In '01, insults/derogatory remarks aimed at member's family members, especially wives and children, were strictly off limits.
It was unofficial of course, but pretty much adhered to. Nowdays, nothing is off limits. In the past, other members may have put offenders in their place as you put it, and it usualy worked, but that's another difference between then and now. Some members today don't care what others say or think and just continue with their personal onslaught, which is one of the reasons Cliff implemented the ratings system. I've met you stimpy and I don't think you would consider it "fun"if someone made graphic insulting remarks about your family.

quote Originally posted by Liquid-Reality: Well you both have - from me and they have been that way for a helva long time.

Jumped off the Smoooth GT bandwagon and onto another one eh? One day you'll find somewhere you belong.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Maniak84 is actually Stimpy?

Suprise! And notice that my rating bar appears at the near-ban stage, without saying anything controversial. My point proven, it's a witch hunt.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Not exactly accurate if memory serves me correctly (& I think it does). In '01, insults/derogatory remarks aimed at member's family members, especially wives and children, were strictly off limits. It was unofficial of course, but pretty much adhered to. Nowdays, nothing is off limits. In the past, other members may have put offenders in their place as you put it, and it usualy worked, but that's another difference between then and now. Some members today don't care what others say or think and just continue with their personal onslaught, which is one of the reasons Cliff implemented the ratings system. I've met you stimpy and I don't think you would consider it "fun"if someone made graphic insulting remarks about your family.

I still think it's way out of line to insult family members. I wouldn'y have thought there would be a question about that.

quote Originally posted by Electrathon: This makes since, he is a moderator over in trollville. Sounds like Stimpy is trying to burn bridges so he has something to talk about that isn't slander or a lie.

So what are you trying to say there, pard? Don't be shy.

timmer, I hear what your saying but what I think might be getting lost in all of this is how is what Stimpy apparently doing now under Maniak84 any different than say what Pun and a few others did? Hiding behind another id so they can play good and evil? Play off each other and keep everyone confused in the name of "fun". Stimpy could easily hide behind this other id anytime he wants, especially if he wants to say something that he knows others might not like. Or to just "have fun" or keep something going and of course to use when he doesn't want his Stimpy id to take a ratings hit when he might want to get into it, so he posts instead under his "other" alter ego id. Sorry if I call it hypocrital among other things.
He had a thread in O/T recently where he point blank asked who he upset to get some red on his guage and yet here is apparently playing someone else to try and get something going. If this is true which it apparently is then he lost some respect from me today, though he probably doesn't care.
I would say Stimpy gets the best of both worlds here. If worst case he gets banned, but under his Maniak id, well Stimpy still isn't really banned, or is he?

its not different from what they did its the same . but they got what they wanted . dont feed the bears when the paws are swinging

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quote Originally posted by Maniak84: Suprise! And notice that my rating bar appears at the near-ban stage, without saying anything controversial. My point proven, it's a witch hunt.

Oh boy did you show us with that dual id crap
And I wouldn't say the needle sitting closer to the middle than near the red being near ban stage, though it obviuously got there based on the attitude played out by your little dual id posting game. It's hypocritical to act like a troll under the id and then turn around and whine that you proved a point when you were treated like a troll especially after these other recent events. Give us a break!
I think the point you actually made was a completey different one Stimp. Is your attitude gettting adjusted a little from all that hanging out you've been doing lately over in that sesspool or is maybe your e-penis not adequate enough that you need a second id to hide behind once in awhile?

OK, Steve, I see where you are going with this. I get the feeling that you're a little upset at being duped, but what exactly did I post under Maniak that I wouldn't post under my regular name? Here's the stuff that got you upset- "Mom always liked me best." Did I say your mom? Noooo. Why wouldn't my mom like me more then you? "I'll be signing this magazine this weekend at the TG&Y." If you felt like this made you look foolish, then there might be a bit of truth in that. You're a stage dad. I would have to think that an eleven year old kid would have more interesting things to do then sitting around a bookstore for several hours, and wouldn't have done it if you hadn't pushed. Does that make you a bad dad? No, but it is a little ridiculous in my book.

I'm not trying to hide my identity. Many folks know who Maniak is, in fact that is the name I use in the real time chat. If I started being a total prick as Maniak, it's not fooling anyone. But the ratings of ignorant bandwagon jumpers who assume that I am part of The Pun put me at darn near Bansville. If Maniak gets banned, then yeah, ban stimpy too. Because Maniak didn't say anything that stimpy wouldn't say.

quote I have no doubt that I'm next. And when you find out who you banned, you may wonder what exactly I said that was sooo wrong.

Why is that? Simply because it's you---a long time member? Explain please?
& Is it really your's or mine, or anyone elses business how someone here does their parenting? Ridiculous? Not for me to say. I raised my 4 kids as I saw fit-within my abilities and assets at the time. I suspect you have done the same, if you are a parent.

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quote Originally posted by timmer: its not different from what they did its the same .

Agreed

quote Originally posted by timmer: but they got what they wanted .

But wasn't Stmpy as Maniak about to get what obviously he wanted as well as he played it under that id?
Again, no idifference, it's the same here as well.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Why is that? Simply because it's you---a long time member? Explain please? & Is it really your's or mine, or anyone elses business how someone here does their parenting? Ridiculous? Not for me to say. I raised my 4 kids as I saw fit-within my abilities and assets at the time. I suspect you have done the same, if you are a parent.

I make jokes, Don. It's nothing so sinister as trying to influence someones parenting. But you do bring an important point up. Say you are going through a shopping center parking lot and see a couple of kids sitting in the car in the west Texas summer heat. Little kids. The keys are in the ignition and the windows are down, so it's not like they are in iminent danger of cooking to death, but they could easily start the car or someone could steal the car. Do you ignore the situation, as they are someone else's kids and not your business to critique their parenting skills? Or do you draw attention to it? I wouldn't think that you would pass that by.

So, it's not a question whether or not you would question someone's parenting, just where you draw the line. Anyhow, that's for another discussion.

Steve, I'm still perplexed what you feel that I posted that was any way out of character for me.

I'll hold off on my original questions/statements for another time stimpy, except to say you brought the parenting subject up.

quote Steve, I'm still perplexed what you feel that I posted that was any way out of character for me

I realize the question wasn't directed at me, but it's all relevant to recent events. In the past, maniak84 has usually just poked fun at himself, or his 'imaginary' family lineage. Now, he's 'trolling' for responses, by walking the edge of the line you mentioned above. Your "Mom always liked me best" line followed a query about whether maniak84 was another duplicate username, regarding scrotum_pat's posts. In other words- a baited reply. You're trolling--to prove a point--but trolling none the less.

A lot of ppl suffer not from what they say, but how they say it. I'll use JohhnyK as an example. His caustic sarcasim is infamous, tho harmless. I suspect he harbors much more venomous thoughts at times but holds them in check and just interjects a few one liners instead. For those who don't know his posting style, the one liners come off as offensive, with perhaps a negative rating as a result. Had he taken the time to cautiously and somewhat courteously offer his views in the discussion, I suspect his rating bar wouldn't have suffered as much, and he may even sway others to his point of view. I have no doubt he is a fine young man with serious beliefs and much tenacity.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: I make jokes, Don. It's nothing so sinister as trying to influence someones parenting. But you do bring an important point up. Say you are going through a shopping center parking lot and see a couple of kids sitting in the car in the west Texas summer heat. Little kids. The keys are in the ignition and the windows are down, so it's not like they are in iminent danger of cooking to death, but they could easily start the car or someone could steal the car. Do you ignore the situation, as they are someone else's kids and not your business to critique their parenting skills? Or do you draw attention to it? I wouldn't think that you would pass that by.

And that analogy isn't even close to the same thing with telling me how silly or foolish you think I am because I allowed my kid to experience what he did at the book store. Or was maybe my son in sudden danger from a killer book shelf that could have attacked him that myself and the rest of my family didn't see and you did?

quote So, it's not a question whether or not you would question someone's parenting, just where you draw the line. Anyhow, that's for another discussion.

I think your line is wherever you want it to be to fit your changing attitude to fit the situation.

quote Steve, I'm still perplexed what you feel that I posted that was any way out of character for me.

Well, you didn't know then and obvio\usly still don't know now so anything I say isn't going to suddenly get you a clue now is it?

Ok, enough is enough already.

Stimpy, I'm going to ban your alter-ego, Maniak84. Not because of ratings, but because I'm no longer accepting multiple usernames. You used the Maniak84 username for fun once, but now you are using it to "prove a point". But instead of proving a point, you are creating one. You are abusing the fact so many people here are very protective about this forum and you are turning that around and saying it's "a witchhunt". Well, it's not. You know it, I know it.

I'm very disappointed in you that you did that, Jeff. I don't mind at all you have something against certain members, but to turn that around and start blaming the whole forum is wrong.

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