quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: He just has so many friends he feels he needs to disaude any more from liking him.

But if I'm reading that ratings bar right, he's not that well liked. And I think Hugh once told me he had been banned once before.

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quote Originally posted by 84SupperDuty: I thought Dirk was Hoss and Dan was his son. He played on Baa Baa Black Sheep. I might be wrong.

I don't know the sons name, probably is Dirk and he is a spittin' image of pop!
Dan was the actor on Bonanza... I was a western junkie growing up, even watched it in the German language.
If I had the time I would probably camp out on the couch on a Saturday and watch all the Westerns on the Hallmark channel.

quote Originally posted by trailboss: even watched it in the German language.

Varum? Bist du ein Duetchlander Herr Trailboss?

quote Originally posted by 84SupperDuty: Varum? Bist du ein Duetchlander Herr Trailboss?

No.
All I ever learned was the cusswords..I was an army brat!

I made the mistake of thinking a German guy didn't know english when i was a kid.
He greeted me, and I responded with an English vulgar remark as I smiled and responded.
This guy didn't believe in the rights of children, because I had to run for my life.
Lesson learned.

Time for me to log off, early day in AM.
adios

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Where was your father stationed in Germany?

Wurzburg, Hanau.

Nice! I've been there. Basically everywhere in Germany for that matter. Nice typing with you but you California guys have me by three hours and Darlene will be calling me at the crack of dawn when she reads what the hell went on here tonight. Lights out!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Skidpro!, to answer your question, if you are moving to a new town and don't know who you can trust, or who specializes in the type of property you want or the area you are interested in, what do you do? As a member of the NAR I can do background checks to make sure the Realtor you do business with has no lawsuits filed agaist them, has no complaints files, has a good feedback rating from customers, has the right education and area of focus to help you, and much more.

I Am not sure why anyone would need that service. I don't know about the U.S, but in Canada it's a free call to the Real Estate board and you can find out the same information. I called with the name of 5 Realtor's that had been doing a lot of business in my area of town and the board gave me all the information I wanted. met with 2 of them and picked the guy we felt most comfortable with. Sold our house in 6 days for 100% of the asking price and about 4% more than what the market was at the time for houses like ours.

But again, to each his own.

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The rebirth of 72vinman

I can't see why you cannot just pick up a real estate listing that is free from the free stuff stand in Wal-Mart.

$100 bucks. I think I have a friend that it trying to do something what you are doing. He says he is a loan originator.

I've checked out homes, but do not trust real estate agents for anything. I'll be buying from an owner most likely so I do not get screwed over by the commission rate.

puhlease.. Ed just said what everybody else knew.. But that 'thank you for serving' post really did serve it's purpose didn't it?

Wow, I didn't think what I wrote could cause such an uproar!
I got a pretty good laugh out of it.

Ed, if I did look up realtors in the state directory, I wouldn't have gotten the $100.00. Plus, I would have wasted my time. I'm not a computer suavy person, it would have taken me more time figuring out where to look then it would have typing Todd a few e-mails. He looked it up for me, called the lady, gave her our number. And the lady went out of her way to help us. Showed us about 50 houses in 2 days. Took us to dinner one night at a steakhouse, not a cheap one either and basically took care of us. She was wonderful. I don't think I could have found a better person if I just looked on a website, or just picked up a booklet. And yes, while I really did hate to give a realtor commission on my last house I sold, I did it anyway. I've never worked as a realtor and I don't know what their job entail. Maybe they are really working for their money. I don't know. I just wanted to thank the guy for helping me. I realize he did it to make a buck, but he has to make a living too, doesn't he? And he was very nice to me while doing it.

Hi Tom, couldn't sleep. So.......what are you going to do for me if I give you the $50.00!
Acutally, I was thinking about buying a plane ticket or gas and tolls with the money and come to visit you.
How does that sound? Now if I could only get off work.
I guess I'll wait a bit before calling. Seems like you were up pretty late last night!

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quote Originally posted by 84SupperDuty: First off, who are you calling Hoss? I'm the one sticking up for him. My wife started this thread thanking him. I thanked him. So why are you swinging at me? I like the guy. I'm not saying anything bad about him. Quite the opposite. So again, why are you busting on me?

Who couldn't see Trailboss was saying that in an endearing fashion? OK, everyone but supperdoody put your hand down. This is the mob mentality at work. If you guys weren't outright looking for something to slam me with, you would see that someone else posed the question first, only because he beat me to it. Ok, carry on with your mob attack, resume cheerleading....

quote Originally posted by I Annoy: I Am not sure why anyone would need that service. I don't know about the U.S, but in Canada it's a free call to the Real Estate board and you can find out the same information. I called with the name of 5 Realtor's that had been doing a lot of business in my area of town and the board gave me all the information I wanted. met with 2 of them and picked the guy we felt most comfortable with. Sold our house in 6 days for 100% of the asking price and about 4% more than what the market was at the time for houses like ours. But again, to each his own.

Did he give you $100 for choosing him?

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I can't see why you cannot just pick up a real estate listing that is free from the free stuff stand in Wal-Mart. $100 bucks. I think I have a friend that it trying to do something what you are doing. He says he is a loan originator. I've checked out homes, but do not trust real estate agents for anything. I'll be buying from an owner most likely so I do not get screwed over by the commission rate.

Then you will likely get screwed on the disclosures. An "Owner" has a profit motive and is likely to tell you what they want to tell you and not what is important for you to know. Are their any deed restrictions or easements you need to know about? Are the easements properly measured if there are any? Are their any title encumbrances? If the property is held in a Life-Estate title did you know that you could legally buy the property and when the guy you bought it from dies, you have to give it back to his next of kin (or holder of the life-estate)...FREE? He does not need to disclose this information as the owner.

When you buy a used car do you trust the guy selling it, or an independant expert who has YOUR best interests at heart? You are not thinking this thing through.

More to the point, if you are buying a house, you DON'T PAY YOUR REALTOR ONE THIN DIME!! The seller pays. Not only that, but in my case, I am PAYING YOU!!!....The buyer. Your seller is going to pay anyway, why not get the expertise of a professional to help you out AND get a kick-back too?

Seriously, you guys trying to make this sound like a con are just not thinking. There is NO DOWN SIDE.

Dar and Tom, thanks so much for the Thread and the kind words. There are some people who have nothing better to do than to cause trouble. We all know who they are. I am delighted that you both had a positive experience. That is my job and I love hearing that I did it well. May I use your words on my website?

Jesus you people are out to lunch. The man is a realtor and came up with a unique idea to help people. You are chastizing the man for paying people to let him find them a realtor. Yes, you can find all the info yourself...great, but why? He isn't charging you for the research, he's giving you a cut. Is he making more? Yes and thank god. If he was trying to make money $50 at a time he'd be broke.

All you people that say you hate realtors...did you buy your house privately? Or did you use a service. Yes they work for commision but try to sell your house by yourself. That wouild have to be one royal pain in the ass.

Using Toddsters service didn't cost Darlene a damn thing. She was paying the fees anyway. She's $100 ahead. The realtor she dealt with lost %25 of his work, but he made a sale he wouldn't have made...so he's ahead but not as much. Toddster connected the two together and he's ahead.

Man, there is some jealousy in this thread.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Wrong again ed, I actually offered Cliff a $25 kick-back on every lead that turned into business. He never got back to me so I assume he doesn't feel he deserves it. But you can ask him. I DID make the offer. Once again you have made a stupid assumption and shown yourself to be an idiot.

You need his permission to donate? That's weak, no matter who it's coming from. To call it a "kick back" sounds slimy and conspiritorial. If you are sincere in your appreciation for the forum that gave you access to this business, despite the fact that a newbie doing this would have been blasted for spamming, then you have my permission to donate the $25. Feel better now?

quote Originally posted by stimpy: You need his permission to donate? That's weak, no matter who it's coming from. To call it a "kick back" sounds slimy and conspiritorial. If you are sincere in your appreciation for the forum that gave you access to this business, despite the fact that a newbie doing this would have been blasted for spamming, then you have my permission to donate the $25. Feel better now?

I contribute to the forum regularly ANYWAY I give him a donation after my birthday every year. I was offering Cliff more than my usual contribution. And I am not spamming and neither would a newbie. Unlike you Stimpy most people here seem to be able to tell the difference between ASKING for money and OFFERING money. Feel better now? Hope not.

DIAF

Awwh, don't go away mad Stimpy.

just go away.

Yeah, Toddster should have done the work for free. That way Dar could have gotten the info for free instead of being PAID to get the info. Yeah, that's much better.

I know... everyone else who posts on here should do their business for free, too. Because it's PFF.
Ed Parks, WCF, Archie, Lloyd - they should all do free engine swaps because they post on here. Don't they know people can do an engine swap themself? How dare they charge people money for something they could do in their own garage!

Just another example of why EdsB52 was banned and why he should have stayed banned. He's not happy unless he's crapping all over everything and everyone in sight. But be careful, because if he insults you and you don't like it, that makes you a cheerleader.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: DIAF

Huh?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: To those who think you should sell your house yourself, without a realtor, here is a little story. My father died about a year and a half ago, leaving my sister and I to sell his house. We discussed not using a realtor, but decided that there is simply too much about making the sale of a property that we don't know. It's a good thing. We got a really good realtor, she arranged all inspections, contractors/painters/etc, and it was smooth as freakin' silk. Sometimes, it pays to hire a professional.

Don't rub it in Bear. I'm still smarting on missing that sale.

But you mention a good example of why a Realtor is necessary. If memory serves correctly you didn't know who had sign-off authority on the house since the title was held in trust. I recommended speaking to the lawyer who originally drafted the trust to ensure that the two of you actually had legal authority to sell. Believe it or not, this is a COMMON problem today and one that could have bitten you had you not been advised to check it out first.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Don't rub it in Bear. I'm still smarting on missing that sale.

Hey, the ink wasn't dry on your licence yet. That was a BIG sale for my sister and I.

Mary and I may be moving soon. Since you now have more time under your belt, I plan to hire you in some capacity.

quote But you mention a good example of why a Realtor is necessary. If memory serves correctly you didn't know who had sign-off authority on the house since the title was held in trust. I recommended speaking to the lawyer who originally drafted the trust to ensure that the two of you actually had legal authority to sell. Believe it or not, this is a COMMON problem today and one that could have bitten you had you not been advised to check it out first.

Yes, you made sure I checked into the Trust situation. It turned out to be a bit easier than we thought, but I still never would have thought about it.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: dry ink

Just giving you a hard time.

I'll call you soon to discuss the move and how to best go about it.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Dar and Tom, thanks so much for the Thread and the kind words. There are some people who have nothing better to do than to cause trouble. We all know who they are. I am delighted that you both had a positive experience. That is my job and I love hearing that I did it well. May I use your words on my website?

"Then you will likely get screwed on the disclosures."

Disclosures can be made just as easily w/o a realtor. They are just as binding w/o a realtor too. The idea is for a seller to find a buyer (or vice versa) w/o the help of a realtor, or the 10k for a 170k house, and then to find a realtor or able agent to do the paperwork. Bad argument - disclosures aren't a realtor thing; they're a house sales thing. In reality, insufficient or absent disclosures help the buyer, as if problems are found later the buyer can refer to the disclosure statement and sue the seller over omissions / misrepresentations.

Seinfeld = A show about nothing
Realtors = A job about nothing

"An "Owner" has a profit motive and is likely to tell you what they want to tell you and not what is important for you to know."

A realtor will lie, cheat and steal once the earnest is down to ensure a sale. Talk about conflict of interest.

"Are their any deed restrictions or easements you need to know about? Are the easements properly measured if there are any? Are their any title encumbrances? If the property is held in a Life-Estate title did you know that you could legally buy the property and when the guy you bought it from dies, you have to give it back to his next of kin (or holder of the life-estate)...FREE? He does not need to disclose this information as the owner."

All can be done online in most jurisdictions. Or go to the county assessor and county recorder. Todd, this is not magic, however you will play it off as if it is. Hardly worth 10k on a 170k house.... Jebus

"When you buy a used car do you trust the guy selling it, or an independant expert who has YOUR best interests at heart? You are not thinking this thing through."

Independent? WTF? You, as a realtor has a HUGE conflict of interest due to your 10k+ (or 1/2 if you didn't list and sell) riding on the line. Drop the canned BS Todd - people know about realtors.

"More to the point, if you are buying a house, you DON'T PAY YOUR REALTOR ONE THIN DIME!! The seller pays."

Ya, and as I posted earlier - you avoided - the seller figures his/her bottom line and calculates the realtor fees. Try again Todd, both parties pay.

"Not only that, but in my case, I am PAYING YOU!!!....The buyer."

No, you exploited the cookie lady, as well as used PFF w/o paying for your advertising space. Be a true military-loving American and give the entire amount of the 600+ to the brave military family. Get the good feeling of helping a military family w/o skirting out with a hefty profit for 1 phone call.

"Your seller is going to pay anyway, why not get the expertise of a professional to help you out AND get a kick-back too?"

No, the buyer and the seller both pay, as the price is then inflated with your 10k fee. Darlene gets $100 kickback after buying a 100 and some k house, and Todd gets 500+ for making a phone call for, HELPING a friend.

"Seriously, you guys trying to make this sound like a con are just not thinking. There is NO DOWN SIDE."

Downside to general house buying with a realtor - huge commission and 1 or 2 greedy parties conspiring to ensure the sale goes thru regardless of the wishes of the parties.

Downside to this current deal - exploiting a heroic American family for a greedy fee when it cost you ZERO, and the using PFF bandwidth as your personal advertising board w/o paying a dime.

Corresponding with Todd is like watching/listening a Bush ad.

Todd, you can run, but you can't hide from your own BS.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Dar and Tom, thanks so much for the Thread and the kind words. There are some people who have nothing better to do than to cause trouble. We all know who they are. I am delighted that you both had a positive experience. That is my job and I love hearing that I did it well. May I use your words on my website?

So, Todd, how much of a kick back do we get for that? Just kidding. You can use it, I wont mind at all.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: You need his permission to donate? That's weak, no matter who it's coming from. To call it a "kick back" sounds slimy and conspiritorial. If you are sincere in your appreciation for the forum that gave you access to this business, despite the fact that a newbie doing this would have been blasted for spamming, then you have my permission to donate the $25. Feel better now?

"You need his permission to donate?"

I was contemplating writing this before I read the post, but thought, "why waste the time?" I agree, just donate for the use of the width, donate for a hook-up, donate to keep this forum around, but don't look for loopholes not to donate as you know who.

"To call it a "kick back" sounds slimy and conspiritorial."

Which is the essence of being a realtor. Not to offend to couple that are not this way, as I have met a couple, but the majority are like this.

I second the permission.

EDIT: Thinking about it, $25, what is that, 4%. Cripes, don't overextend yourself.

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quote Originally posted by I'm Back: No, you exploited the cookie lady, as well as used PFF w/o paying for your advertising space. Be a true military-loving American and give the entire amount of the 600+ to the brave military family. Get the good feeling of helping a military family w/o skirting out with a hefty profit for 1 phone call. .

So now I'm the cookie lady! OMG! I can't wait for the cookie ladies husband to come back from welcoming his squadron back. They were in Iraq for 4 months. He's out there cooking burgers and dogs for the welcome home. He's going to freak when he finds this still going on.

Ed, I don't feel exploited at all. He found us a person that knew the area that we didn't. She steered us clear of the not so great parts and helped us find a home for my husband to live in that we can afford while he is away. You don't have to keep on referring to us as a poor military family. It was a life we both chose. Not exactly a great life with everything that is going on, but it's a life choosen. Just like Todd chose to be a realtor, and you are (I think I read this right before, correct me if I'm wrong) going to school for nursing, my husband chose to be in the military. I chose to marry him almost 21 years ago. So, that being said, we aren't a poor, poor military family. We just go through a few more things, like this separation, than most people have to go through. Please don't add this to your discussions. I'm not flaming you Ed, I don't even know you. I'm sure you are a caring kind of guy. You seem to care what happened to me, but is that because you care about the cookie lady (me Darlene) or because you just want to bust on Toddster?

quote Originally posted by fierogirls-mom: Ed, I don't feel exploited at all. He found us a person that knew the area that we didn't. She steered us clear of the not so great parts and helped us find a home for my husband to live in that we can afford while he is away. You don't have to keep on referring to us as a poor military family. It was a life we both chose. Not exactly a great life with everything that is going on, but it's a life choosen. Just like Todd chose to be a realtor, and you are (I think I read this right before, correct me if I'm wrong) going to school for nursing, my husband chose to be in the military. I chose to marry him almost 21 years ago. So, that being said, we aren't a poor, poor military family. We just go through a few more things, like this separation, than most people have to go through. Please don't add this to your discussions. I'm not flaming you Ed, I don't even know you. I'm sure you are a caring kind of guy.

"So now I'm the cookie lady! OMG! I can't wait for the cookie ladies husband to come back from welcoming his squadron back. They were in Iraq for 4 months. He's out there cooking burgers and dogs for the welcome home. He's going to freak when he finds this still going on."

I don't mean that in a derogatory way, just illustrating the exploitation I perceive of both you and PFF. I think the exploitation is exacerbated by the fact that you have done FREE nice things for others here, yet Todd is the profiteer.

"You don't have to keep on referring to us as a poor military family."

Woaw, I did not make that inferrence. I was military and I know that many services from the community are free or discounted to families that make sacrifices. After hearing Todd's supposed love of the military and wish that he could have served, I would think he would forego his fee and fwd it to a family he much supports.

"You seem to care what happened to me, but is that because you care about the cookie lady (me Darlene) or because you just want to bust on Toddster?"

Remember, I wasn't the first to notice/wonder what the profit was for Todd. Maybe I'm the most vocal (written) about my feelings over this matter, but I guarantee you I'm not alone in my wonderring why Todd feels it neccessary to profit from any PFFer in this non-Fiero related matter. The fact that you are a sacraficing military family, the fact that you do nice things for PFFers for FREE exacerbates the fact that what Todd did was exploitive. It's not the centerpiece of my argument, but it really defines Todd's character. Kind of like if a person refuses to stop at a crosswalk when a woman or child wishes to cross as opposed to a grown man - same ethical wrongdoing, but different perception based upon ability of the offended. If Todd was dealing with a non-military man this would carry a differnt stinch, although be the same exploitation to a different person/people.

Todd stated he received over 600 bucks, fires you 1 hundred, hardly a fair deal IMO.

BTW, I was in no way reducing you to the, "cookie lady," just reminding others of your kindness. Hey, maybe it'll stick (if ya like it that is).

Ed, how many threads do you need to be told to shut-the-****-up in, by everyone, before you do it?

Read my lips, NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT YOUR OPINION...on anything.

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Well, I just got back from the flightline welcoming home 290 squadron mates. They've been "over there" now for four months. We had a BBQ for their family members that wanted to welcome them home. I'd say about 400 folks showed up to see their loved ones step off that jet. It was a beutiful thing! Just like in the movies. Fifty of those guys work for me and this was the first opportunity to meet them, shake their hands and welcome them home. I get to go with them on the next rotation four months from now and every four months after that. Then I get on the Forum and read this sh*t! Could it be any more pathetic? Maybe! Four guys found out for the first time today that their wives have left them. One of my guys found out his stuff is in a storage facility. He has about a month to pack up and leave for a new assignment to Little Rock. I cried. This is what we are fighting for? Freedom to choose? Like their wives did? Listen folks, I'll make this easy: I chose to go with Todds recommendation. Darlene told me about it and I said sure. It saved me time and effort. Time I used to spend with Darlene. This was a hassel free experience. I made this choice. Todd did me a favor AND I got $100. Don't knock the mans profession. He's not selling crack on the street for Christs' sake! I think there are FAR WORSE professions out there. But as long as a person is trying to do the best job they can, pay taxes, aren't sucking the government for welfare and aren't selling crack, who gives a phuck! Now please let this thread die! Dar just wanted to say thank you to someone that IMHO did ME a FAVOR.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Ed, how many threads do you need to be told to shut-the-****-up in, by everyone, before you do it? Read my lips, NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT YOUR OPINION...on anything.

Hey crook, look back and you'll see several people agreeing with me. I wonder how many people are too afraid of the red bar to show their disgust for you and the rest of the cheerleaders?

quote Originally posted by I'm Back: Hey crook, look back and you'll see several people agreeing with me. I wonder how many people are too afraid of the red bar to show their disgust for you and the rest of the cheerleaders?

Why do you have a bug up your butt for Todd? He pays them $100 for using his services and you're calling him a crook?
What's the freaking problem? Really. Sure, someone can do research on their own, are they going to pay themself $100?

Go shovel your crap somewhere else.

quote Originally posted by 84SupperDuty: Did he give you $100 for choosing him?

Actually, the going commission rate around here is 3.5% which would have been almost $9,500. I negotiated a a 3% rate which saved me $1400. So to answer your question, No I did not get $100. But then again I would rather save myself $1,400.

Thanks for asking and have a nice day.