There are a few folks on here I have started calling the “red bar brigade” because every time someone says something they do not like they fly off the handle and start calling names and just being ignorant and this ends up with them receiving – ratings. Anyway, I would like to ask you guys to stop it and try to be civilized. I have toned down my responses to normal civilized conversation and wish you would do the rest of us a favor and do the same. I was just reading a post where and individual made a spin on someone’s name and called them “terdster”. WTF, that is ignorant and just because you do not see eye to eye with another person? Lets all be nice and play well together or maybe some of us need to band together and turn bright red bars into blinking ones. Name calling does not make your point any strong but does make your mind look a hell of a lot weaker. If you ned to respond put some effort into it and lets have some great debates! I will see you on the battefield!
Sincerely
John
------------------ 1987 Fiero GT 1986 Fiero SE 1999 Ram Air Firebird 3800 S II
"Keep it civilized! It's ok to disagree with someone. Really, it is. But it's not ok to call someone a "toad licking monkey waxer" just because he disagrees. It'll make you actually look like one. Name-calling will most likely get you a bad rating. At the very least, it will cause the thread to end up in the Trash Can, and at its very worst it will get you banned."
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88GTNeverfinished Member
Posts: 1809 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Feb 2003
There are a few folks on here I have started calling the “red bar brigade” because every time someone says something they do not like they fly off the handle and start calling names and just being ignorant and this ends up with them receiving – ratings. Anyway, I would like to ask you guys to stop it and try to be civilized. I have toned down my responses to normal civilized conversation and wish you would do the rest of us a favor and do the same. I was just reading a post where and individual made a spin on someone’s name and called them “terdster”. WTF, that is ignorant and just because you do not see eye to eye with another person? Lets all be nice and play well together or maybe some of us need to band together and turn bright red bars into blinking ones. Name calling does not make your point any strong but does make your mind look a hell of a lot weaker. If you ned to respond put some effort into it and lets have some great debates! I will see you on the battefield!
Nice sig. I didn't realize we were using our sigs as bumper stickers.
I did not earn my red from calling names. I earned mine from the cliff thread that I though was funny but no one else did and the thread where I was defending Steve aka Smooooth GT. I have been turning my bar around by helping others and being nice to people. I am glad you like my sig so I guess Bush will have your vote come November?
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Liquid-Reality Member
Posts: 2031 From: Fredericktown, MO Registered: Aug 2003
NO, definatly not. I would never vote for his return to office since he stands for everything I morally oppose. Especially his stance on Equal rights, First ammendment (witch I feel is being breached more then ever) his foreign policies, and everything that him and his party doesn't do for the american WORKER. My biggest gripe with him is that he does NOT stand for the seperation of church and state, witch is the very reason the United States government has been one of the most sucsessful gov'ts so far. My vote will go towards him NOT going into office for another term.* There are many more reasons, but I don't feel listing them is warranted. (perhaps too offensive)
*Note I didn't say I like the "other guy" either, but I feel his policies will benefit me, My family and the rest of the US, MUCH more then Bush's.
So, my conclusion is, don't vote for Bush in November.
BTW, I will NOT EVER rate you based on your stance in politics. And I WILL NOT ask you to remove your sig because it opposes my opinion.
There are a few folks on here I have started calling the “red bar brigade” because every time someone says something they do not like they fly off the handle and start calling names and just being ignorant and this ends up with them receiving – ratings. Anyway, I would like to ask you guys to stop it and try to be civilized. I have toned down my responses to normal civilized conversation and wish you would do the rest of us a favor and do the same. I was just reading a post where and individual made a spin on someone’s name and called them “terdster”. WTF, that is ignorant and just because you do not see eye to eye with another person? Lets all be nice and play well together or maybe some of us need to band together and turn bright red bars into blinking ones. Name calling does not make your point any strong but does make your mind look a hell of a lot weaker. If you ned to respond put some effort into it and lets have some great debates! I will see you on the battefield!
Sincerely
John
ooook.. So you are bitching about people, and saying you should vote them into oblivion.. Do you not remember weeks (maybe days) after you joined, you had a negative rating, and starting whining about how people were voting unfairly? How soon they forget.
ooook.. So you are bitching about people, and saying you should vote them into oblivion.. Do you not remember weeks (maybe days) after you joined, you had a negative rating, and starting whining about how people were voting unfairly? How soon they forget.
so are you saying you don't agree with his assesment or that you don't believe he has the credibilily to say it. Or are you just talking cause you have a mouth.
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Liquid-Reality Member
Posts: 2031 From: Fredericktown, MO Registered: Aug 2003
ooook.. So you are bitching about people, and saying you should vote them into oblivion.. Do you not remember weeks (maybe days) after you joined, you had a negative rating, and starting whining about how people were voting unfairly? How soon they forget.
I understand now the joke that I played on cliff was not funny and I did earn every negative rating I got. I have started to be nice and help people and guess what! My bar is now green and it is only getting better. There are a few members here that have red bars and only seem to cause trouble or when their facts are shot down they start calling people names. I am saying if you cannot play nice then don't play at all.
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Fformula88 Member
Posts: 7891 From: Buffalo, NY Registered: Mar 2000
Cutting out some of the name calling is a good point. I love reading through our political threads, and occasionally joining the banter. We get some really good heated debates. The only real problem is that they boil down to personal attacks.
Its obvious the country is heavily devided on this election, and its a close one. Bush is a love him or hate him president. Those that love him passionately defend him, and attack the Democrats, meanwhile those that hate him passionately attack him and love the democrats.
The problem in our threads is that nobody's opinion is really going to be swayed, or changed, because people here love or hate "W" and nothing anyone says will change their minds. So people start butting heads.
This brigade, or the not-see's, or whoever you want to call them need to step back occasionally and regain their composure. There is no need to start flame war. Also, I hate to see negatives get handed out in those political topics. We all know going in that those topics often get out of hand, and the threads often turn into flame wars.
I personally won't give a negative for someone who goes a little overboard in one of those threads. But it would be nice if people could chill a little too!
Cutting out some of the name calling is a good point. I love reading through our political threads, and occasionally joining the banter. We get some really good heated debates. The only real problem is that they boil down to personal attacks.
Its obvious the country is heavily devided on this election, and its a close one. Bush is a love him or hate him president. Those that love him passionately defend him, and attack the Democrats, meanwhile those that hate him passionately attack him and love the democrats.
The problem in our threads is that nobody's opinion is really going to be swayed, or changed, because people here love or hate "W" and nothing anyone says will change their minds. So people start butting heads.
This brigade, or the not-see's, or whoever you want to call them need to step back occasionally and regain their composure. There is no need to start flame war. Also, I hate to see negatives get handed out in those political topics. We all know going in that those topics often get out of hand, and the threads often turn into flame wars.
I personally won't give a negative for someone who goes a little overboard in one of those threads. But it would be nice if people could chill a little too!
I couldn't agree more fFormula. That's the best I've ever seen it put here.
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The "Independent" party who hates both other parties until the indepandent party has had a chance to prove that they are just as bad or worse OR BETTER than the Democraps and Repugnatians combined.
I'm hard core INDEPENDENT I'm also an independent thinker, a winning combination as far as I'm concerned.
Just be sure you know how to spell Independant before you use it though. ----------------- Think Independent Be Independent
Vote Independent
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Posts: 16228 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
The "Independent" party who hates both other parties until the indepandent party has had a chance to prove that they are just as bad or worse OR BETTER than the Democraps and Repugnatians combined.
I'm hard core INDEPENDENT I'm also an independent thinker, a winning combination as far as I'm concerned.
Just be sure you know how to spell Independant before you use it though. ----------------- Think Independent Be Independent
Vote Independent
Ah, the independents. They are kind of a wild card in all of this. Not strong enough to get anyone elected, but possibly strong enough to affect an outcome (such as in 2000). I like the concept of independents running. Having an added choice that is not duty bound to a party and its major backers. However, what is the independent's platform? Are they conservatice in nature? Are they liberal like Nader? Are they simply independent to not be a Dem or Repub?
If they are liberal like Nader (and the Green Party) are they really just so liberal that the Democratic party is no longer liberal enough for them? The Dems have moved much farther to the center over the years, especially with Clinton. Kerry is farther left than Clinton was, and yet many liberals think he is too moderate. Does that leave them with independents? Or is there more to independents than that? I have a hard time nailing down what independents (as a party, not individuals) really are. They seem to be a moving target, and a small one at that.
In my personal experience at least I have sadly watched as some members come into some of my threads for example for no other reason than to call me names, personaly attack me, even attack me on how I bring up or dress my kids and on and on. Once I have gotten fed up with all the attacks and try and defend myself to no avail and actually give some back, later on only my comments are brought back up and tried to be used against me and even received negs for and yet not much if anything is mentioned about all those and what they said that started all the crap with personal attacks and insults to begin with. If members are going to rate other members based on certain reasons they feel are important then they should do so fairly and equally. I think as the ratings bar has now been around for awhile that many hand out negs right and left to members anytime any kind of disagreement comes up. Maybe as PFF has been around for 5 years now and in the last few years at least many members have seen more than there fair share of trolls and insulting people ruin some threads that they have a much shorter fuse on any given day than they might normally have had. I also don't think negs should be handed out after reading partial info brought back up incorrectly, some that may have even happened many years ago and is quoted in parts that is misrepresentive of what actually was said or happened.
It seems that when you try and defend yourself your seen by some as just keeping the fight going and even given negs for it. I have also noticed that if someone says your lying or making stuff up and you then get negs from some who read that, and yet later you prove otherwise by posting pics or whatever, it doesn't seem that the negs are ever retracted. Kind of like when a news article is published on the front page and it turns out to be incorrect and then they publish a small retraction but it is buried in the back of the paper somewhere.
There also seems to be some members who will pass out pluses to others for having the guts to bash someone. I have seen where they say they are doing so for no other reason than they felt they wanted to do so for seeing someone having the guts to speak their mind no matter what the possible conciquencemight be, even though what was actually said was nothing more than a mean spirited attack. Now if 10 people said they loved a popular members facia and then one person came along and said they didn't really like it I would agree with giving them a plus for that reason. But to do so simply because someone spoke their mind by bashing another seems wrong to me.
There seems to be a growing though still small number who seem to like to jump in and participate in a flame war and sadly sometimes even agree with those doing the attacking as they apparently feel that they can get away with doing so without getting much if any negs. I guess they think they are agreeing with the majority and think they won't also be seen in a bad light when they don't actually realize that it is a very small bash group they are joining in with compared to the much larger number just viewing and not feeling the need to participate and post anything.
Negaitves shouldn't be handed out because you don't agree with someones opinion (and yes there is a difference between a personal opinion and a personal attack), or because you don't like what kind of group you or someone else has associated them with (like a ricer), or because of what mods they chose, or paint color they have, or because of where they live, or because you don't agree with their choice of Religeon, of their choice of Political party, or because you don't like the fact that they actually gave a car or two to their kids to do with whatever they want
Lastly, yes I have name called some before and I am certainly not proud of it, but it was only after first getting many many attacks on myself to begin with. I always enjoy when someone can call me every name in the book post after post with almost no reprocussions and yet when I finally break and call them something back later on they will come back and throw what I said about them in my face in some thread Too funny ...and yet I will see myself get a few negs pop up when they post that comment I said too. That is also worng. Again, I think some need to simply step back and rethink when they are about to pass out ratings and make sure it is for the right reasons like why the ratings system was put in place.
Maybe we need to have a monthly review pop up of ratings they each of us has handed out to make sure that they are still current to each member rated and still appropriate?
Ah, the independents. They are kind of a wild card in all of this. Not strong enough to get anyone elected, but possibly strong enough to affect an outcome (such as in 2000). I like the concept of independents running. Having an added choice that is not duty bound to a party and its major backers. However, what is the independent's platform? Are they conservatice in nature? Are they liberal like Nader? Are they simply independent to not be a Dem or Repub?
If they are liberal like Nader (and the Green Party) are they really just so liberal that the Democratic party is no longer liberal enough for them? The Dems have moved much farther to the center over the years, especially with Clinton. Kerry is farther left than Clinton was, and yet many liberals think he is too moderate. Does that leave them with independents? Or is there more to independents than that? I have a hard time nailing down what independents (as a party, not individuals) really are. They seem to be a moving target, and a small one at that.
So, it would seem as if you are in agreement that I am voting for a dead (not in a literal sense) politician?
Heheh good man Repugnatians stink Democraps stink Independents... I duno but it aint moved much in a while so either it is a helpless infant that needs me or a dead tyrant.
Either one does not matter but the infant will be raised in the likeness of the Constitution of the United States of America, the government run by the people for the people OR I suck (in a literary sense) as a father.
I did register as Independent in this liberal / conservitive southern state of Florida.
Negaitves shouldn't be handed out because you don't agree with someones opinion (and yes there is a difference between a personal opinion and a personal attack), or because you don't like what kind of group you or someone else has associated them with (like a ricer), or because of what mods they chose, or paint color they have, or because of where they live, or because you don't agree with their choice of Religeon, of their choice of Political party, or because you don't like the fact that they actually gave a car or two to their kids to do with whatever they want
No, but thats how they are used. You just have to accept it. I rarely use personal attacks (but I admit, sometimes I do when I get fed up), but it's still quite rare. And most of my red has just come from my views. People don't like that I'm pro-choice, and I have watched as that alone has made my red bar move. They don't like how I am anti-god. I don't insult them personally, I just don't agree with believing in an invisible man in the sky. The red friggin flew off the screen.
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Posts: 12355 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
Originally posted by Fformula88: Ah, the independents. They are kind of a wild card in all of this. Not strong enough to get anyone elected, but possibly strong enough to affect an outcome (such as in 2000). ... However, what is the independent's platform? Are they conservatice in nature? Are they liberal like Nader? Are they simply independent to not be a Dem or Repub?
I'm registered to vote as an independent. i dont get to vote in the primaries, which is ok. i am "liberal" on some issues(life/abortion, separation of church/state, EEO), and "conservative" on others(gun control, strong military, affirmative action). i will not discard my leanings one way to buy into a party that supports only the other half.
i can't speak for other independents, who may be opposite me on specific issues, or may be out on one end of the spectrum or another. that's what makes us independent.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
I know and it's too bad it is that way. I wonder if there is a way for Cliff to tweak the system so this isn't the case. Probably not though
Rating is over-rated.
Remember on STTNG, When "Q" put all of Humanity on trial for being "Inferior"? As soon as you judge someone, you put yourself above them. That automaticly negates their self-defense in your eyes. A win through self-percieved superiority is a hollow victory. If you feel you HAVE to judge a man, judge him by his actions. Not his words.
Since a Web Forum is ALL words, judgement is futile. Ofcourse, I could be wrong. I have been before. And will again. That's just me.
No, but thats how they are used. You just have to accept it. I rarely use personal attacks (but I admit, sometimes I do when I get fed up), but it's still quite rare. And most of my red has just come from my views. People don't like that I'm pro-choice, and I have watched as that alone has made my red bar move. They don't like how I am anti-god. I don't insult them personally, I just don't agree with believing in an invisible man in the sky. The red friggin flew off the screen.
I do not have you as red John I have you as a positive because you are a man of your beliefs no matter how missplaced they are. I only have a handfull of people that are negatives and all but one of them are banned. Just because we don't agree John does not mean I do not like you. If you wanna be my friend just vote for Bush come November!
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Posts: 2031 From: Fredericktown, MO Registered: Aug 2003
I know and it's too bad it is that way. I wonder if there is a way for Cliff to tweak the system so this isn't the case. Probably not though
hey fiero5 I like you and I like your car. Who cares what the other people say or think.... Hell my new fiero has more metal flake in it then a bass boat but I will drive it like that untill I FEEL like painting it. I say put a v8 in you car. There is no way you can hear their bitching as you blow by them at 140mph.
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Originally posted by Liquid-Reality: If you wanna be my friend just vote for Bush come November!
Yes Johnny by all means befriend a guy who likes the idea of having a band of thugs roaming the board imposing death to fellow members.
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Posts: 2031 From: Fredericktown, MO Registered: Aug 2003
Yes Johnny by all means befriend a guy who likes the idea of having a band of thugs roaming the board imposing death to fellow members.
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
I do not have you as red John I have you as a positive because you are a man of your beliefs no matter how missplaced they are. I only have a handfull of people that are negatives and all but one of them are banned. Just because we don't agree John does not mean I do not like you. If you wanna be my friend just vote for Bush come November!
Uh....About Johnny K voting bush......He's a Canadian. Even if he wanted to vote bush he couldn't. Not that he would anyway.
Too funny 
