Kinda airin the dirty skivvies, aren't we? I'm sure 90% of us have no idea what Eds said, but to be sure, this will turn into a nasty gun-battle. You could have easily just stopped responding or acknowledging his posts. but nay, gotta make a statement. Gee, thanks.
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11:42 PM
Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
OH PUHLEESE! That is offensive? That's milder then a jr. high Mama joke. Not that I'm a drinkin buddy of Eds, but if we start forming lynching parties over that, then I don't feel quite so comfortable here anymore.
None of this is my business but it seems that comments as this would be accepted if made by any member other than Ed. I think that many of us are too quick to jump on particular people here for relatively harmless comments strictly based on who they are. As a result, a light-hearted thread turns into a shin kicking contest. But as I said... none of my business.
Originally posted by stimpy: OH PUHLEESE! That is offensive? That's milder then a jr. high Mama joke. Not that I'm a drinkin buddy of Eds, but if we start forming lynching parties over that, then I don't feel quite so comfortable here anymore.
Stimpy, you're right...kinda'.
You guys would NEVER had said it in that context (Private Investigator thread) (THAT is the key here...)
And Ed's proven himself before to have evil intent where it comes to me.
Besides...I wasn't asking for his removal...I just want him to leave me ALONE!
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Stimpy, I'd like to think that I can be objective towards most people on this forum, and yeah that crack would seem pretty mild to some, but I wouldn't tolerate someone saying something like that about my wife.
Mr.Ed didn't bother me before, but I believe that last statement of his enlightened me into thinking that some of the statements regarding his "personality traits" may be warranted after all.
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12:17 AM
Urchin Member
Posts: 798 From: London,Ontario,Canada Registered: Feb 2001
What? It's called a joke guys! Sheesh. I found it quite humorous. I was about to add a reply with me laughing, but then i realized it would have taken the thread off-topic.
Triad, you did say if it came from anybody else it might have been cute, but...I think all of us were a little out of line making light of a question like that. good luck
Originally posted by maryjane: Triad, you did say if it came from anybody else it might have been cute, but...I think all of us were a little out of line making light of a question like that. good luck
That's the point entirely. No one else said it. You notice, the other "Magnum PI/Simon & Simon" replies got no undue attention (maybe a chuckle), but they saw that it was a serious question, and kept the humor away from anything that could have been the real concern.
It's not who posted it, but that he's the only one tasteless enough to do it.
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12:27 AM
DRH Member
Posts: 2683 From: Onalaska, WI, USA Registered: Dec 1999
"okay, I'm j/k" (means you just kidding) "ah, just pulling yer chain" "Ha! gotcha"
Even a winky smile?
Dude, if your going to make comments about somebody's wife/fiancee/girlfriend, then you better not make it sound so serious.
You know what would happen if you said that to somebody one on one? You'd probably get your lights knocked out.
Remember, here on the forum and net, words and their meanings can be easily mis-interpreted, and taken the wrong way. There are no non-verbal clues that you would normally pickup in a face to face conversation. When you want to make some personal comments about someone, please do something to indicate you are "just joking around."
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01:06 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Yes TRiAD, we aren't on joking terms and I thought you might not like my comment. But when I refer to members crying 'victim,' I'm referring to situations like this. You might recall this statement rendered by you 9 days ago:
"I am starting a petition. All who are sick of Ed's mouth (fingers?) and would like to plead with Cliff to finally rid our world of his BS, please post here..."
And then this today:
"And Ed's proven himself before to have evil intent where it comes to me.
Besides...I wasn't asking for his removal...I just want him to leave me ALONE!"
Who was it that accused me of citing "legalese?" (Evil intent = Mens Rea) When weren't you asking for my removal, less than 9 days ago?
And then you start a new post with my moniker as the subject matter. Do you really think anyone believes you're some kind of victim here? If you wanted a truce, would you initiate a petition and start a thread with my moniker? Your tactics are as obscure as a fat lady at a fashion show. Not to mention other adverse comments made from you to me over the past couple months. I'm not whining, don't consider myself a victim, and actually enjoy the mutual conversation at times. One phenomenon present in the club that I see here today is side taking. Sometimes people "pack," and other times people develop (for lack of a better word) enemies in common. With me, it seems that the ratio of boobs to friends is about 3:1 respectively. However, the gross number of people that dissent are still well under 1%, so there are many people silent out there. According to frontal lobe I guess those people are revisionists. So to all friends I say, 'thanks bro's.' But fair enough, we'll avoid each other in here TRiAD, no problem.
Originally posted by TRiAD: Hi Stimpy, I had tried this, and even tried email, to ask him to avoid me, and I have been avoiding his posts...but this did not work.
Sunds like a public request was all that was needed, if I read correctly.
Thread complete? Is there a truce?
Let's hope so.
G'night all. zzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
"Hi Stimpy, I had tried this, and even tried email, to ask him to avoid me, and I have been avoiding his posts...but this did not work."
When have you pleaded with me to leave you alone in private emails? What a liar. TRiAD feels he must lie to suck one of the people into his little contingency of boobs, who won't voluntarily throw on a cheerleading outfit. Does the following illustrate a person that is such a victim and just wants to be left alone?
"Well Ed, you finally stepped in it..."
"I am starting a petition. All who are sick of Ed's mouth (fingers?) and would like to plead with Cliff to finally rid our world of his BS, please post here..."
That was 9 days ago. How long are you contending to be a victim TriAD? The post 9 days ago illustrates unsuccessful desperation; the post just entered by TRiAD illustrates a last-gasp attempt. I called the truce at your request to be left alone. Then you come back with blatant lies; what a loser. I bet you think I should let your lie go and shrug it off.
"Thread complete? Is there a truce?"
Sure there is if you want it. But now you'll come back as some kind of martyr trying to rid the forum of your definition of undesirables through petition or "public request," while sacrificing your mental well being. Here's the test everyone should apply to TRiAD's fable; what do I do with emails from people who are grossly adverse to me? Exactly, I post them. So if TRiAD emailed me to be avoided while we were battling on PFF, I would have posted it. Simple deduction will tell everyone TRiAD is lying. How about this TRiAD, if I'm harassing you over the internet through emails or whatever you contend, other than what is public here in PFF, then contact internet administrators, police, FBI, or whomever you collaborate with others to. I implore you; if I am privately contacting you, or if you have contacted me privately to ask to be left alone, then follow up on this and post the results publicly. You won't because it didn't happen. Your cheerleaders will still stick with you (enemies in common), but I think others will start to realize your credibility is nil. Your pathetic pleas for my removal didn't work, so now you resort to playing the victim role and lying to do so.
I did a search of all my emails and found during that period (dark days) we exchanged a few emails that were in disagreement, but not hostile. No one asked to be left alone. Actually, the emails you sent me transferred as incomplete. They would load without a scroll bar, I would tell you, you would resend them, and the last thing you wrote to me was, "weird...sorry. Anyways, have a good one!" That message was received on 7-5-01 at 16:39. The 'weird' was about the email problems. Does this sound like a sound off from someone who is being victimized and wants to be left alone? Anyway, you're not clever enough to get me into that era again. Post some stuff from that era if you wish to relive it, but by all means, pursue your contentions with the highest authorities and post the results.
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04:20 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Originally posted by Coconut: Stimpy, I'd like to think that I can be objective towards most people on this forum, and yeah that crack would seem pretty mild to some, but I wouldn't tolerate someone saying something like that about my wife.
Mr.Ed didn't bother me before, but I believe that last statement of his enlightened me into thinking that some of the statements regarding his "personality traits" may be warranted after all.
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"Dude, Nobody really enjoys the crap I post either but that doesn't stop me from hanging out here. I'm kinda like the in-laws that have overstayed their welcome to your house. I'm making myself at home here until somebody tells me to "get the hell out". Heck, I might not even get the hint then! I'm not Cruisin', I'm PARKED!" https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/002771.html
So which side of the fence do you reside this minute?
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04:42 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Originally posted by Urchin: None of this is my business but it seems that comments as this would be accepted if made by any member other than Ed. I think that many of us are too quick to jump on particular people here for relatively harmless comments strictly based on who they are. As a result, a light-hearted thread turns into a shin kicking contest. But as I said... none of my business.
Another rare voice of reason. Urchin gracefully disagrees with me and I accept his opinion.
"I think that many of us are too quick to jump on particular people here for relatively harmless comments strictly based on who they are."
I should take a lesson on concision from this guy! "Based on who they are." Enough said.
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04:57 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Thanks for the support stimpy and JohnnyK, but don't side with me too much or you'll be excommunicated by the masses. As two of the most senior and most respected guys in here, you have more to lose than do I (in forum terms). See ya, Ed.
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05:04 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Originally posted by maryjane: Triad, you did say if it came from anybody else it might have been cute, but...I think all of us were a little out of line making light of a question like that. good luck
What, I can't make a funny? OK, group condemnation (as we bow our heads).
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05:06 AM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Originally posted by Tigger: Where's the smiley faces?
Where's the?
"okay, I'm j/k" (means you just kidding) "ah, just pulling yer chain" "Ha! gotcha"
Even a winky smile?
Dude, if your going to make comments about somebody's wife/fiancee/girlfriend, then you better not make it sound so serious.
You know what would happen if you said that to somebody one on one? You'd probably get your lights knocked out.
Remember, here on the forum and net, words and their meanings can be easily mis-interpreted, and taken the wrong way. There are no non-verbal clues that you would normally pickup in a face to face conversation. When you want to make some personal comments about someone, please do something to indicate you are "just joking around."
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"Dude, if your going to make comments about somebody's wife/fiancee/girlfriend, then you better not make it sound so serious."
Dude, where's my car? It was a joke, but I knew it wouldn't be accepted well. If you follow the threads and posts, we've been going at each other for some time. Now I cross the proverbial line and I'm to be publicly condemned. Ok, I'll take that.
"You know what would happen if you said that to somebody one on one? You'd probably get your lights knocked out."
Guys in this forum love to generalize and make assumptions based on scant information. I'm 6'1", 215, and in good shape. What if I said that to an 18 year old kid who was 5'10" 150? What if I said that to a 60-year-old man? What if I said that to a guy that was 6'3", 250, but meek? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a bully, but nothing would happen in these scenarios. I wouldn't insult someone unless provoked anyway.
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05:19 AM
Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Thanks for the support stimpy and JohnnyK, but don't side with me too much or you'll be excommunicated by the masses. Not much danger in that. As a matter of fact, I'll go on record saying that your post whoring like this (My God, 5-6 posts in a row defending yourself, all of epic proportions?!) makes you look like nothing but a whiny punk-a$$ beeyotch. But I respect your right to be one. For as sure as you are censured for being a pr!ck, I'll be censured for calling you one. My motives are self-serving. As two of the most senior and most respected guys in here, you have more to lose than do I (in forum terms). See ya, Ed.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't wanna be ya, stimpy.
Hey, Archie..."Wind blowing"...that's good! I'd love to explain an email comment made about me, and I'm not find of being called a liar, and I'm not sure how I could be lying when the person calling me a liar (at his own admission) doesn't know whatI said. (?!)
Buuuuut, I'll leave it at this...
You guys are still here?
Go home...the movie's over...
"Ferris Bueller"
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09:19 AM
JSocha Member
Posts: 3522 From: Felton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2001
So Ed, please tell us what was in the parts of the incomplete emails that were lost. I'd also be interested in knowing how you feel justified in calling him a liar without this knowledge.
Like I said before, Just buy a mouse with the "scroll wheel" and when you see one of his posts, use the wheel.
He is a "debater". His only purpose in the non-fiero related threads is to get people to debate him. It appears to be one of his hobbies. (along with Fiero's and his fixation of "cheerleaders")
Good idea Stimpy, climb on fence, that way the aligators can't bite you as easily.
"For as sure as you are censured for being a pr!ck, I'll be censured for calling you one."
You'll be applauded, quit the martyr/victim role. I see you're climbing down the other side of the fence; that was graceful.
"Not much danger in that. As a matter of fact, I'll go on record saying that your post whoring like this (My God, 5-6 posts in a row defending yourself, all of epic proportions?!) makes you look like nothing but a whiny punk-a$$ beeyotch."
If I don't reply to every post and reply to every element of every post I'm a revisionist, according to Jsocha and his cheerleaders. If I reply to some or most of the statements Made to or against me, I'm a post whore. Can you see the dynamic being thrust by the scattered degree of opinions as to the rules of how people should post? If you had any character you would admonish Jsocha and the like for labeling me a revisionist (within their small minds) for selective replying. But no, you counter with an equal and opposite bit of wisdom and censure me for over-posting.
"Wouldn't wanna be ya, stimpy."
Just remove the comma and it's a pretty good statement.
Boy this is to funny to stop now.This is better than the comedy channel. Some of you have missed your calling as comedy writers.pleease dont stop now.I love a good laugh.
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01:31 PM
EdsB52 Member
Posts: 850 From: Tempe, Arizona, USA Registered: Jul 2000
Well if you failed to more than partially relate it to me, which I said at the time of the emails, then how can I be responsible for the content of the emails. I didn't have these email problems with anyone else. But regardless of email transmittal fault, the message wasn't relayed, so there's no responsibility on my part for content. Besides, if you were such a victim and just wanted to be left alone, then why would you end the chain of emails with a friendly gesture? If you wanted to be left alone then why would you interject a sarcastic remark followed up with a plea for my removal? With all the mutual post whoring by bunches of members, no one is willing to address that point. Jsocha and frontal lobe would call those people revisionists. It has all the elements of their version of revisionism, central theme of my post specifically.
"Buuuuut, I'll leave it at this...
You guys are still here?
Go home...the movie's over..."
Then post them. Remember, I have emails that were partially received. Better yet, if I'm not allowing you to "avoid" me, then pursue it to the highest authority possible and post the results. As we can all see your attitude of 'good enough, we'll leave it alone' indicates your lack of desire to pursue the matter.