I have not dealt with FOY, so I am not going to comment on the quality of his parts. To me, they look fine (though I am not an expert). Who cares what an engine or tranny mount LOOKS like as long as it holds and works well? I would be very happy with those FOY mounts if they hold my 3800 and F23 in place.

Regarding my good pal Fieroflyer, I do believe FOY has every right to criticize and compare, since Fieroflyer jumped into his thread to criticize, just like when Lloyde was gettig hammered by PFF. Unlike Fieroflyer, FOY has apologized numberous times for mistakes he has made. Does this excuse FOY's actions? No. But, at least he knows how to say "I was wrong" and "I am sorry", which is better than nothing.

The Fieroflyer mounts that you see in this thread are mostly pictures of my car and they are complete garbage. I have the right to say this because I am a pissed off customer. They bend, they flex, they clunk every time I shift. Now I am in the unenviable position of having to pull a swap and try to make or find engine/trans mounts and pay more $$$. He will jump in here and call me a liar, but where are the "happy" customers that he claims to have? I have only seen wiring harness customers come to his defence (and I admit, he did do a very good job on the harness in my current car).

I am not taking sides here, and there is no excuse for late deliveries. Vendors should not take payments unless they have inventory IN STOCK first. As a business owner, you need to have skin in the game and can't expect customers to finance your business.

What FOY did was wrong. If he sticks around, he needs to have inventory in stock FIRST, offer his parts dirt cheap for a little while, and ask his customers for feedback to be posted here to regain credibility.

quote Originally posted by cam-a-lot: I am not taking sides here, and there is no excuse for late deliveries. Vendors should not take payments unless they have inventory IN STOCK first. As a business owner, you need to have skin in the game and can't expect customers to finance your business. What FOY did was wrong. If he sticks around, he needs to have inventory in stock FIRST, offer his parts dirt cheap for a little while, and ask his customers for feedback to be posted here to regain credibility.

My parts were supposed to be in stock as per the thread I bought them from:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/063342.html

FOY... you just don't get it...

Given your history of deception to sell products (switching usernames to sidestep previous product delivery/customer satisfaction issues) all the delays and people waiting on products they have paid for (under both usernames), commitments missed (under both user names), throwing around a welding certification in an effort to validate the welds on your mounts, showing pictures of high quality welds on everything but the fiero parts you sell... people just are not going to take "your word" on anything. You and you alone have killed your credibility as a vendor (twice), and it will take a HUGE amount of time/effort/communication to restore it.

Lashing out at people who are rightfully questioning your illogical statements isn't helping your situation and is in fact making it worse (people writing you off for good).
Like why are the only good weld pictures you show on non-fiero products? Most people consider welding as a craft and a true craftsman takes pride in every weld no matter its intended purpose. They want their work to speak for itself and recognize that every weld they do has their name and reputation attached to it. If you want to convince your potential customers you are the best welder on the forum, then prove it through fiero products.

quote Originally posted by fieroguru: Most people consider welding as a craft and a true craftsman takes pride in every weld no matter its intended purpose. They want their work to speak for itself and recognize that every weld they do has their name and reputation attached to it. If you want to convince your potential customers you are the best welder on the forum, then prove it through fiero products.

I had to give you a positive rating for what you wrote here. Thanks!

I was brought into this by FOY's big mouth some thing he has in common along with being an arrogant you know what just like camalot who shoots his mouth off a lot with no proof other then mounts he now says are bad that are still working as he was still driving the car right up until it was put away or the winter.
How many times there camaBS did I offer or suggest a second dog bone which you declined, told you to get a poly dog bone from Rodney not a used piece of crap off eBay or some thing. What ever I stopped listening to your BS long ago as well as many others who must of for me to be still getting lots of work in and adding more happy customers to my list with you still being the only unhappy one.
If there was a reason to apologize to this person I would but I am not the one who should be doing that it is him. I am not the one who started the BS or the one who insulted and threatened some ones Girlfriend and family. I have offered to replace or reinforce any thing he does not feel is strong enough many times, I have done this just like I would any one else as I do stand by my work which in this case is very hard when all he wants to do is insult, threaten and basically just be an a## about it.
Now enough of this childish crap we are dealing with some one who is a crook or at bare minimum a very dishonest person not some one with a single enemy like you. Dan

I have read a number of people comment about who cares what the mounts look like.
I for one do care, which is why I was looking for either WCF or fierox mounts.
I know that once you have the engine in you can`t really see the mounts but I like them to look good from the start.
I think that most of the engine and tranny mounts look similar but the low mount alt mounts are entirely different.
I wanted the WCF one but was not willing to pay that much so I got a Whodeanie one which looks pretty good.
If you have ever seen a WCF lower mount that wraps all the way around the alternator, I may be wrong but it looks a heck of a lot more sustantial than 3 pieces of angle iron welded together.
The angle may hold but everyone knows how much stress the alternator is subject to and I would rather have a very beefy mount for it.

Take a look at this weld - Claimed to be a FOY Hand Weld


Now watch this clip of a Sub Arc Machine Weld. Pay close attentoin around 1:37.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QGLGJ-BOE

Show me this type of precision weld on your Swap Parts and I will buy a complete set from you. There will be one condiiton. You ship me the parts and once I get them and inspect them, I'll pay for them! Deal?

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quote Originally posted by FIEROFLYER: I was brought into this by FOY's big mouth some thing he has in common along with being an arrogant you know what just like camalot who shoots his mouth off a lot with no proof other then mounts he now says are bad that are still working as he was still driving the car right up until it was put away or the winter. How many times there camaBS did I offer or suggest a second dog bone which you declined, told you to get a poly dog bone from Rodney not a used piece of crap off eBay or some thing. What ever I stopped listening to your BS long ago as well as many others who must of for me to be still getting lots of work in and adding more happy customers to my list with you still being the only unhappy one. If there was a reason to apologize to this person I would but I am not the one who should be doing that it is him. I am not the one who started the BS or the one who insulted and threatened some ones Girlfriend and family. I have offered to replace or reinforce any thing he does not feel is strong enough many times, I have done this just like I would any one else as I do stand by my work which in this case is very hard when all he wants to do is insult, threaten and basically just be an a## about it. Now enough of this childish crap we are dealing with some one who is a crook or at bare minimum a very dishonest person not some one with a single enemy like you. Dan

You never once suggested double dog bone mounts. Almost all the swaps you have done according to the pictures you have posted are single dogbone setups. Did all these "customers" refuse your suggestion of double mounts too?? The dogbone I gave you to use in my swap is a brand new one from RULOOKIN with brand new urethane bushings. The only reason it looks shitty now is because you cut it in half and welded it at an angle to make the bracket fit the stock location. It was brand new when it was given to you.

I am still waiting to see the happy happy F23 swap customers and 3800 swap customers that are linining up to defend you?? Out of supposedly 80 plus swaps you have done, no one is sticking up for you except a few people who bought harnesses from you. I never claimed that my car is not drivable- what I said is that the engine and transmission move due to your hack install method. You have never offered to replace or reinforce anything. You blame your customers, you blame the post office... nothing is ever your fault.

Soo.. where are your supposedly happy dozens and dozens of customers? I bet if someone claimed that BMWGuru, MstangsBeware or some other reputable vendors were called butchers on PFF, there would be dozens of people refuting this. The silence of your 80+ swap customers is very interesting indeed...

Again, wait til I'm back at the shop and you'll have all the proof you need. Honestly if I could physically laugh at you over the internet I would. You have never worked on a production line or even seen one if you think I'm lying. Any spray transfer weld above .040 will have zero ripple unless you unnecessarily draw back into the puddle like half an inch

quote Originally posted by FriendOfYours: Again, wait til I'm back at the shop and you'll have all the proof you need. Honestly if I could physically laugh at you over the internet I would. You have never worked on a production line or even seen one if you think I'm lying. Any spray transfer weld above .040 will have zero ripple unless you unnecessarily draw back into the puddle like half an inch

I'm not going to mix words here. YOU shouldn't be talking about laughing at ANYONE here. You've shown that you're a liar and a thief on more than one occasion here. If you want to stay here, you should be doing attonement, not copping an attitude with the members. Personally I'm waiting for the speedban, but for the members that you lied to, I hope you at least follow through with them before that happens.

I already did, and have been more than apologetic. And to be thief you have to steal, I have not. I'm not selling parts here again, now I'm just defending my abilities to those who criticize my work. The couple so called weld experts are either totally full of it or are lost in another dimension. I'll gladly prove it

Standing by for "proof"!

quote Originally posted by katatak: Take a look at this weld - Claimed to be a FOY Hand Weld

With my left hand, hanging upside down looking in a mirror.
I could push the button and start the machine
Back to your regular scheduled program.

quote Originally posted by katatak: Take a look at this weld - Claimed to be a FOY Hand Weld Now watch this clip of a Sub Arc Machine Weld. Pay close attentoin around 1:37. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QGLGJ-BOE Show me this type of precision weld on your Swap Parts and I will buy a complete set from you. There will be one condiiton. You ship me the parts and once I get them and inspect them, I'll pay for them! Deal?

in all fairness, with a properly set machine, that's not impossible to do by hand. hell, just look at what Marcella does freehand...



I am skeptical of the "certified weldor" bit though, most of the welds I saw, looked like junk.

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I know these lines Look crooked on paper, but I swear I've got them straight in my head.

quote Originally posted by ericjon262: in all fairness, with a properly set machine, that's not impossible to do by hand. hell, just look at what Marcella does freehand... I am skeptical of the "certified weldor" bit though, most of the welds I saw, looked like junk.

To really be fair, your pic shows TIG welds in aluminum - very different from a MIG (Sub Arc) weld in steel - and I would say that the guy that made those welds is very talented!

quote Originally posted by katatak: To really be fair, your pic shows TIG welds in aluminum - very different from a MIG (Sub Arc) weld in steel - and I would say that the guy that made those welds is very talented!

true, but a steady hand and pace can produce results either way.

quote Originally posted by FriendOfYours: I already did, and have been more than apologetic. And to be thief you have to steal, I have not. I'm not selling parts here again, now I'm just defending my abilities to those who criticize my work. The couple so called weld experts are either totally full of it or are lost in another dimension. I'll gladly prove it

You're still not taking responsibility for your actions. Even if you follow through and make good on every order, you have still committed fraud here, which is a form of theft. By not disclosing your true identity, you prevented people from making their decision based on an accurate depiction of your business ethics. I'm willing to bet that very few would have gone ahead with an order had they known your past. You can call it what you want, theft, fraud, deception, etc it's still you stealing. You keep trying to justify it, and this is where you'll fail yet again. Next time, if there is one, try to do a better job at covering your tracks.

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quote Originally posted by joshua riedl: His parts looked like crap anyway. That alone should have scared people off.

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even if these welds were unobtainable by any other human in the world, it would bring no savior to this thread.

don't get me wrong, I think his stuff looked like junk, and he seemed kinda fly by night to me, I was just stating that the weld was possible by hand.

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I know these lines Look crooked on paper, but I swear I've got them straight in my head.

Not that it matters, but I do alot of plumbing work and I know many certified plumbers....even though our work is hidden behind a wall never to be seen by eyes we still like it to look good....it's just a matter of personal pride. I would have serious doubts about the quality of a part if it were anything but the best work a person could do.....Just saying:}

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Proud new owner of....THE DIRTY RAT

quote Originally posted by FriendOfYours: I'm not selling parts here again

You mean, not under your current username... LOL

Businesses change their names all the time.

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quote Originally posted by Justinbart: Businesses change their names all the time.

So do crooks and scammers..

There is an awful lot of hate in this thread. If you buy something cheap, it will be what??? Cheap. I ordered several things from FOY, and had some issues getting/receiving parts, but I did get them all in the end.

I sent a flywheel that was undeliverable at the Post office until I called them, I verified the address on the package to be correct and was asked "What do you want us to do with it?" I responded, "deliver it" So I could see the an incompetent post office to be adding to all of this. I ordered the wrong mount, front engine mount instead of the torsion mount, but FOY was very helpful and helped flip mounts.

I received a thermostat housing which looks good as well as part numbers for the houses I need. No complaints about a machined flywheel I received. I purchased a low mount alt bracket, which bolted up nicely, not impressed that I had to find my own bolts and the big bolt that goes into the block was to be spaced with washers, but it feels solid. The only issue I am running into is with my torsion mount, looks like the one I have wasn't designed for an engine with a/c so I am having to modify it to work with the a/c bracket. Fingers crossed on the dogbone mount, didn't hear about issues with those in general w/ manual transmission until tonight

So all in all, I'm neutral in the whole thing, what you see is what you get, so far I have no regrets from ordering from FOY.

quote Businesses change their names all the time.

quote Originally posted by BV MotorSports: So do crooks and scammers..

I think those are referred to most of the time as "aliases" or AKA-- not "names".

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For the record, I don’t have any issues with the workmanship from what I can see. The parts seem solid enough and I like that they are powder coated. I do have an issue with NOT receiving them and getting the runaround. I have yet to receive confirmation of the kit that is supposed to be mailed out to me for the cost of postage COD…

If I receive this kit, I will post on here a review of them for others to see. If they are a quality part, I would recommend that FOY produces a “bunch” and sell them in bulk to another “known” vendor for resale.

But, so far, I haven’t received any more communication from FOY and I can’t say I’m surprised…

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: For the record, I don’t have any issues with the workmanship from what I can see. The parts seem solid enough and I like that they are powder coated. I do have an issue with NOT receiving them and getting the runaround. I have yet to receive confirmation of the kit that is supposed to be mailed out to me for the cost of postage COD… If I receive this kit, I will post on here a review of them for others to see. If they are a quality part, I would recommend that FOY produces a “bunch” and sell them in bulk to another “known” vendor for resale. But, so far, I haven’t received any more communication from FOY and I can’t say I’m surprised…

Jeez man you guys sure are gluttons for punishment....I wish you luck. Peace

Pete

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quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: For the record, I don’t have any issues with the workmanship from what I can see. The parts seem solid enough and I like that they are powder coated. I do have an issue with NOT receiving them and getting the runaround. I have yet to receive confirmation of the kit that is supposed to be mailed out to me for the cost of postage COD… If I receive this kit, I will post on here a review of them for others to see. If they are a quality part, I would recommend that FOY produces a “bunch” and sell them in bulk to another “known” vendor for resale. But, so far, I haven’t received any more communication from FOY and I can’t say I’m surprised…

Just an FYI, I already said I would send it and today is MLK day and I'm not working.

quote Originally posted by FriendOfYours: Just an FYI, I already said I would send it and today is MLK day and I'm not working.

Sheez.. Must be nice to take all of those bank holidays off.

The post office is closed as well and I'm shipping him a kit COD...

I worked 80 hours last week and I can take a break whenever I choose to.

I'm not going to say much here because it seems some people are having issues however I've dealt with FOY, purchased and received my goods a while ago. Although the design of some parts aren't the prettiest they have so far worked for my swap even though I did not use his motor mount. The parts are powder coated which is a + and they seem well built to me but I'm not a welder. I'll admit I haven't installed the Dog Bone yet but the other parts fit fine. As someone mentioned earlier I was a little disappointed that the low mount alt bracket didn't come with the bolts and spacers but I still managed to use it after a little trip to the hardware store which wasn't much of a hassle.

We did have a few complication with delays at first but due to some health reasons on his side which is understandable. He pulled through when he said he would and I got all I wanted. I was hoping to deal with him again for some other parts, let's see how this works out.

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quote Originally posted by ericjon262: in all fairness, with a properly set machine, that's not impossible to do by hand. hell, just look at what Marcella does freehand... I am skeptical of the "certified weldor" bit though, most of the welds I saw, looked like junk.

Those aren't welds....that is freaking "art"

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: Those aren't welds....that is freaking "art"

Agreed....Obviously someone who takes pride in their work and has the skills to back it up. Beautiful. Some nice machine work there too. Peace

Pete

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quote Originally posted by FriendOfYours: Just an FYI, I already said I would send it and today is MLK day and I'm not working.

No update as of yet...

quote Originally posted by ericjon262: I was just stating that the weld was possible by hand.

Ok all jokes aside

I use to weld for a living and had all kinds of paper work to prove I could weld. Stick, wire feed, tig even ox-acetylene.
So I have done my share of welding and I could put down a weld that looks that good.
I considered myself an artist not just someone that stuck parts together.

So yes I do think there are people out there that can weld that good.

Still no update...

To shed some light on the double dog bone issue you are talking about Cam-a-lot..Look no further. A good buddy of mine Jelly 2m8 did this set up first to a car that was built for a customer in New Brunswick. When I shipped my car from Alberta to Dan down in Ontario he mentioned it to me as he had worked on that specific car with the dual dogbone set up. I knew exactly what he was talking about so I called Anthony (jelly 2m8 ) whom I grew up with and have worked on many fieros together with over the years when I lived in Nova Scotia to ask if it could be copied into my car also. He was ok with it and Dan proceeded to do the same setup in my car he was converting for me.. That was at least 6 to 7 years ago. I beat the shioot out of my car in every way possible. I did have one mount fail after a burnout in the water box and for some reason I rolled past the light lining up for a run. So in my infinite wisdom I dumped it in reverse and snapped a mount in half.. My own doing my own stupidity..
Now if I rememeber correctly Dan said my car was his 19th conversion done. Yet you are the only one complaining here. I would say if Dans work was as shotty as you claim there would be more then just you running your mouth. Or maybe thats just all it is is you running your mouth. ??

I recieved my tracking number from FOY and it said my dogbone would arrive yesterday... And it did! So I had him modify it for me to fit and it does, super beefy quality. I will report how it holds up, hopefully it doesn't screw up my Alternator bracket. So far I have recieved everything from FOY and it all works, looks nice, and seems to be good quality. Everything just took forever to arrive, only negative from me. Goodluck to you all!

quote Originally posted by bmwguru: Those aren't welds....that is freaking "art"

X2 for sure. Whoever that is can lay it down, I had to show that pic around to a few people.