I am thinking of going with a different engine choice than a 3800SC... It is a KLZE, or a 2.5 Mazda 4cyl, the KLZE is the Jap. version though... These motors, dunno much about Jap motors so bear with me, but these motors, people are using parts from Crotch-Rockets to make them rev ALOT higher! ON u-tube, there is one guy who redlines at like 10,000 rpms... NO BS either....
Kinda wondering what would be involved in putting in a non-American engine in these little cars? If someone has done this before, awesome, if not, always cool to find out if it'll werk vs the cost n stuff too!
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Mitsubishi 4G63T. Drivetrain used in Eclipse/Talon FWD and AWD turbos and the Lancer Evolution.
I don't know any of the specifics on the build. From what I understand, the person building it was able to get it running ok, but had some difficulties in mounting the engine/transmission correctly (it used the stock DSM FWD trans). Additionally, the DOHC valve cover was not able to clear the driver's side decklid hinge and he couldn't mount the decklid. As the entire running gear is stock DSM FWD, this places the exhaust on the "front" of the engine bay, and the intake on the "back".
He got it running enough to do a drive outside his shop. This was after he hit the car with flat black. Looks like it leaked something during the run.
I think my 4.9 Caddy motor was made in Canada or Mexico?
Sorry but, for someone who has the stones to finally anounce there is no more treasure to be found in one country!
HI all
Always found it a bit edgy, how people of "american cars" "italian cars" "jap cars" and motorcycles cannot get along with one another! Probably will always, but will NEVER lose hope! Way I see it, hope against hope! If you put your hopes and dreams behind one side of life, and fall, uhhhh, you put your thoughts behind that particular "part" of life, an not life it's self. To me "creativity" is found in all car related 'avenues', so why would someone not want to place 1 outlet above another?
Believe me, I am NO SAINT!!! I do NOT like chrome! First off, too heavy. Secondly, too showy, and therefore too much to keep clean. Thirdly, I like color in a guest, not a snore. Should I go on? OH yeah! May like Ferrari's alot, but in the end it is their philosophies that intrigue me about styling, an not the price tag part. OH, and the Mclaren F1, still my #1 fav of all time. From a design standpoint, what could top that car? There are others that are faster sure, but sexier? Carry 3 people at 200 MPH? And the driver not to have to break a sweat? HAHA!!! There is on u-tube, an F1 owner who drove his car to work on the Autobahn like everyday it wasn't wet at 200 miles per hour, and if you know about these cars, then you know they have a kind of black box like hardware setup that allows for BMW to be able to talk to Mclaren and the driver about mechanically keeping the engine in tip top gear.
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Hope against hope and you may lose, but if you aim for the moon and miss? You'll wind up a star!
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Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.... Enzo Ferrari...
Today they are called garage's, yesterday, they were stable's! Eric Jacobsen.... An advancement, of other voices I came across.
S.F??, hint, it's a car manufacturer....
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Carcenomy Member
Posts: 1109 From: Invercargill, New Zealand Registered: Jan 2009
I am thinking of going with a different engine choice than a 3800SC... It is a KLZE, or a 2.5 Mazda 4cyl, the KLZE is the Jap. version though... These motors, dunno much about Jap motors so bear with me, but these motors, people are using parts from Crotch-Rockets to make them rev ALOT higher! ON u-tube, there is one guy who redlines at like 10,000 rpms... NO BS either....
Kinda wondering what would be involved in putting in a non-American engine in these little cars? If someone has done this before, awesome, if not, always cool to find out if it'll werk vs the cost n stuff too!
KLZE would be a reasonably fantastic choice. They rev well, and have a nice broad powerband. Gearbox option I believe is only the Mazda G-type without going aftermarket - this isn't so great, the G-type is quite a weak transaxle. If you could adapt the Mazda H-type from the first gen MX6, you'd have a far more stout box.
Realistically the only difficulty would be wiring, but there is plenty of good aftermarket ECU support and available pre-tuned maps for both the MegaSquirt2 system and the FreeEMS system. A friend had a turbocharged KLZE in an MX3, it made somewhere in the high 300hp mark running on MS2...
Originally posted by ShadowHawk: As long as we dont see a Hyundai engine in a Fiero I will stay happy
It depends on what "Hyundai" engine you're speaking of.
Many Hyundai engines, especially those built in the 90's, are derived off of Mitsubishi's turbo four and turbo six cylinder engines. Thus, many Mitsu parts simply swap over and it's easy to boost them. Additionally, most all Hyundai engines can be supercharged, as there are tons of kits out there (similar to Jackson who makes all the superchargers for the Honda engines).
Remember, just because it reads "Hyundai" on the valve cover doesn't mean it's slow (look up the swapped Hyundai 4G63 turbos).
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I used to own a KLZE powered MX-3 that I drove around for about 5 years. I had imported the engine from Japan and did a proper swap.
The KLZE is a 2.5L V6 ENGINE. The 4cyl engine is the BPT.
It's a nice little engine, reliable and tuff however hard on gas, expensive on parts if you have to do any repairs and not much potential in the long run. It has no power below 4000rpm ... I'm not sure how much of a REAL upgrade it would be in a fiero once you consider the work to fit it and the lack of potential nor how you would manage to fit it in there
The guys in my car club that had swapped the 4cyl BPT (4cyl turbo from a Mazda Familiia) were running much fater times and had a lot more potential. They had a lot of easy affordable upgrades and solide internals. The KLZE has a high compression ratio and can't handle boost very well. Out of all the Turbo KLZE swaps I've seen in the MX-3 almost all except for 1 or two have exploded. Aftermarket parts are also scarece.
I enjoyed it a lot but I wouldn't do it again
On the other hand, I'd love to see a Subaru swapped fiero! a 2.0L Turbo or a more recent 2.5L turbo would be an interesting swap IMO! Fitting it would be another pain though
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Posts: 1523 From: Indianapolis Registered: Sep 2009
The 2.0 Turbo in my formula was originally developed by Opel and is still used by Vauxhall in Europe to this day... I can't post a picture from my phone though
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Posts: 4701 From: Sydney Australia Registered: Sep 2004
I want a Hyndai engine swap now.... What about Kias? I sold the only korean car I ever owned and my 84 Fiero was put up for sale the next day. I bought it for 600
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fieroguy123 Member
Posts: 1523 From: Indianapolis Registered: Sep 2009
Originally posted by Australian: Hyundai engine has power the 3.8 L produces 265 PS (196 kW) and 266 ft·lbf (353 Nm). ...
They would cream the average fiero.
The 2.0 turbo that Hyundai and Kia use (both companies are now one-in-the same) makes 215bhp and with $200 worth of tweeking make 350-400hp reliably. Its an exceptionally potent little engine and wouldn't be very difficult to put in a fiero (I've already done the research)
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pavo_roddy Member
Posts: 4351 From: State with a city named Gotham Registered: Apr 2004
I used to own a KLZE powered MX-3 that I drove around for about 5 years. I had imported the engine from Japan and did a proper swap.
The KLZE is a 2.5L V6 ENGINE. The 4cyl engine is the BPT.
It's a nice little engine, reliable and tuff however hard on gas, expensive on parts if you have to do any repairs and not much potential in the long run. It has no power below 4000rpm ... I'm not sure how much of a REAL upgrade it would be in a fiero once you consider the work to fit it and the lack of potential nor how you would manage to fit it in there
The guys in my car club that had swapped the 4cyl BPT (4cyl turbo from a Mazda Familiia) were running much fater times and had a lot more potential. They had a lot of easy affordable upgrades and solide internals. The KLZE has a high compression ratio and can't handle boost very well. Out of all the Turbo KLZE swaps I've seen in the MX-3 almost all except for 1 or two have exploded. Aftermarket parts are also scarece.
I enjoyed it a lot but I wouldn't do it again
On the other hand, I'd love to see a Subaru swapped fiero! a 2.0L Turbo or a more recent 2.5L turbo would be an interesting swap IMO! Fitting it would be another pain though
Hi all
First time i've heard anything negative bout these motors, course this is the first time i've posted something too. If an automatic is outa the question, cuz of the revs, what about a paddle-shift? Thinking out loud...
------------------ Me, I sell engines, the cars are for free, I need something to crate the engines in.... Enzo Ferrari....
Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.... Enzo Ferrari...
Today they are called garage's, yesterday, they were stable's! Eric Jacobsen.... An advancement, of other voices I came across.
Don't get me wrong the 2.5L KLZE V6 is a great compact engine. I did like it a lot. The MX-3 tranny made it very quick and it is fun to drive around at high rpm's. The car did surprise a lot of people my problem came when I wanted more power, it was very hard to get anything extra without dumping a lot (and I do mean a lot) of cash to go with a turbo setup with a stand alone engine management system that would be very dangerous for the engine's life cycle.
From what we saw back in the day, if you really wanted to get the 2.5 V6 turbo route you were better off getting the american version of the KLZE .. the KLDE. it made less power and had more restriction but the compression ratio was lower and could handle boost a little better.
The 4cyl BPT however, people added a bigger intercooler, boost controller and bigger turbo and were kicking ass everywhere they went. The engine is more expensive initially but if you are going after power and fast times, it was much easier for them then for the V6 guys.
my 2 cents
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Don't get me wrong the 2.5L KLZE V6 is a great compact engine. I did like it a lot. The MX-3 tranny made it very quick and it is fun to drive around at high rpm's. The car did surprise a lot of people my problem came when I wanted more power, it was very hard to get anything extra without dumping a lot (and I do mean a lot) of cash to go with a turbo setup with a stand alone engine management system that would be very dangerous for the engine's life cycle.
From what we saw back in the day, if you really wanted to get the 2.5 V6 turbo route you were better off getting the american version of the KLZE .. the KLDE. it made less power and had more restriction but the compression ratio was lower and could handle boost a little better.
The 4cyl BPT however, people added a bigger intercooler, boost controller and bigger turbo and were kicking ass everywhere they went. The engine is more expensive initially but if you are going after power and fast times, it was much easier for them then for the V6 guys.
my 2 cents
Hi all
So do ya wanna put in a stand alone fuel management system in with a turbo? Couldn't quite understand that part, sorry, am a lil tired today... Whatcha think bout a probable paddle-shift tranny? Won't go with a stick in a Fiero, or any other car, not that I can't drive 'em, just don't want to anymore....
------------------ Me, I sell engines, the cars are for free, I need something to crate the engines in.... Enzo Ferrari....
Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.... Enzo Ferrari...
Today they are called garage's, yesterday, they were stable's! Eric Jacobsen.... An advancement, of other voices I came across.
S.F??, hint, it's a car manufacturer....
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ShadowHawk Member
Posts: 376 From: Broward County, Florida Registered: May 2011
Don't get me wrong the 2.5L KLZE V6 is a great compact engine. I did like it a lot. The MX-3 tranny made it very quick and it is fun to drive around at high rpm's. The car did surprise a lot of people my problem came when I wanted more power, it was very hard to get anything extra without dumping a lot (and I do mean a lot) of cash to go with a turbo setup with a stand alone engine management system that would be very dangerous for the engine's life cycle.
From what we saw back in the day, if you really wanted to get the 2.5 V6 turbo route you were better off getting the american version of the KLZE .. the KLDE. it made less power and had more restriction but the compression ratio was lower and could handle boost a little better.
The 4cyl BPT however, people added a bigger intercooler, boost controller and bigger turbo and were kicking ass everywhere they went. The engine is more expensive initially but if you are going after power and fast times, it was much easier for them then for the V6 guys.
my 2 cents
BPT? Puhlease, there's a far sturdier starting point in the Mazda (and consequently Kia) stable that has far more potential - the FE3/FE-DOHC. It's found in the early Kia Sportage, and in the JDM 626/MX6 from the late 80s. Similar dimensionally to the 4G63, engineered like a sherman tank compared to the BPT, far less heavily strung. I mean honestly...
Combine with the H-type stronger box from the USDM MX6 Turbo and whatever form of forced induction takes your fancy and you'd be rocking. Heck in stock tuning it makes more power than the Fiero's 2.8...
first off hi everyone this is my first post. Second for the kl motor swap your biggest problem is going to be your wiring the kl uses a veriable intake resonance system witch last I checked mega squirt doesn't support which means your better off starting with the front half of a probe, mx6, or mx3 preferably with the engine rather it runs or not so you can get a better idea about motor mounts and a full wiring harness and ecu. Next get a jap spec klze (better heads, higher compression, crapy retainers, and 200 hp vs 164 hp) instead of the us spec klde. Next it is a 60 degree all aluminum quad cam so it might be a tight fit like the 3.4 tdc plus the intake sits kinda high and swept back twords the rear. Next as with most front engine motor and trans to a mid engine platform you might need to look at how you want to modify your shift linkage so it aint backwards... Unless you do the auto which is a horrable trans... Anyway for the aftermarket there are some turbo kits, even a roots supercharger from thomas knight and a vortec from probe addiction plus probe talk is a good place for forum type info like putting better internals from the focus trans into the probe trans... Anyway I have done alot of research for my old ford probe and got quite a bit of info and some fiero stuff just ask and I will share my knowledge that I have... If anyone knows updated info since most of my kl is kinda old let me know.
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Aug 2nd, 2011
Jim_Martin29 Member
Posts: 702 From: Marina, California, USA Registered: Jun 2010
Sorry but, for someone who has the stones to finally anounce there is no more treasure to be found in one country!
HI all
Always found it a bit edgy, how people of "american cars" "italian cars" "jap cars" and motorcycles cannot get along with one another!
I have to agree with you here. I was always bugged by the arguing about which manufacturer or countries vehicles are best.
Back when I was a biker I had both Harley and Honda choppers (and various misc, little crappy bikes).
As far as cars go I've had (over the past 40+ years): (imports) '63 Renault, 2000 Audi A-6, 2011 Toyota Tacoma, (GM) '57 Cadillac, '68 Oldsmobile, '85 Chevy Celebrity, '86 Fiero (Ford) '63 Falcon, '65 Falcon, '66 Fairlane, '66 Mustang, '78 LTD (Chrysler) '68 Coronet, '85 Turbo Laser, (AMC) ' 73 Hornet, and a '70s something (I forget the year) International Harvester truck.
Each had their good points and bad point but it wasn't based on manufacturer or country. It was based on the individual vehicle.
------------------ Jim Martin White '86 GT Monterey, California
for someone who has the stones to finally anounce there is no more treasure to be found in one country!
