My 85 fiero (First car) I sold it with 173,000 and started to burn oil. My 88 Grand am (family car since 1990) has 156,000 cam gear replaced years ago not burning oil and running great. And finally 88 fiero 130,??? (no comment) as it has been back on the road only a month since I bought it a year ago. God knows I love the duke but the power is crap when they get old.
HP...? well the top speed in a car with a duke is about 75mph, you do the math.
Jim
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johnt671 Member
Posts: 2271 From: sugarloaf pa usa Registered: Feb 2001
I wish I knew. My 86 coupe came to me in several pieces. No engine or trans installed. Did have an 84 duke with unknown history available so I took it and made it work. Has run real good for the 23k I put on it in the last 2 years. Car now has 143K on it
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Mike Gonzalez Member
Posts: 5093 From: Colorado Springs, CO. USA Registered: Jul 2001
Mine was at 190,000 as still going before I swapped in the L67 in my 86. My 85 is at 150,00 I'm not sure if she still runs though, I overheated it and never tried it again.
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kevin Member
Posts: 2722 From: Elk Grove, CA USA Registered: Jan 2000
Fellas, Damn Duke, it keeps on running, no smoke, still has compression with over 225,000 in its bones. What's that it dog years? Why does it keep running? I have no idea, maybe I don't run it hard. Damn Duke, I wish it would die so I can move on
Cordially, Kevin
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While I dont have a 4cyl Fiero...I had an 85 Buick Regal Sommerset with a duke in it and even when i got T-boned and totaled it it still ran at 387000km (240000miles)
All original engines except for the 118,00 mile Indy, which (as I understand it) had a GM Goodwrench eng replacement during the recall. It has the Goodwrench replacement engine decal on the valvecover.
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KurtAKX Member
Posts: 4008 From: West Bloomfield, MI Registered: Feb 2002
had an 89 Grand Am w/ a Tech 4 in high school and thru college. it ended up with 266,XXX miles on it before the tranny died on it. only did regular maintenance to it except for a valve cover gasket (as far as the motor goes). still wished i had that car. when the trans went on it the body was so far gone (as well as the frame) that i just crushed the thing. that thing was a beast, nothing could kill it
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" I guess I've learned that there's more to life than racing, but not much more." -Paul Menard
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85 se with 152,000 on the clock and no sign of stopping her I myself have put 50,000 in a little over a year on it. Btw stock duke fiero's will do a lot more than 75. I have personally had the speedo needle past the left side of the trip meter on a few occasions. I have no idea how fast i was going but it felt great.
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FieroBrad87 Member
Posts: 743 From: Nevada, Iowa, United States Registered: Dec 2005
I am not calling anyone a liar but I am seriously suspicious that any duke could go 100K, let alone 200K without needing a cylinder head. I suppose it's possible with a very conscientious owner. I'm not even going to talk about quad 4s. lol
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josef644 Member
Posts: 6939 From: Dickinson, Texas USA Registered: Nov 2006
I did a fresh overhaul last two years back, I now have about 10K on this fresh engine and clutch. The engine that came in the car had 81K and # 1 rod threw the block. Joe Crawford
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blackrams Member
Posts: 31842 From: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Registered: Feb 2003
I am not calling anyone a liar but I am seriously suspicious that any duke could go 100K, let alone 200K without needing a cylinder head. I suppose it's possible with a very conscientious owner. I'm not even going to talk about quad 4s. lol
Hmm, not sure how to respond to this. The one duke powered Fiero I have is all original, the clock shows 115K + and is still going strong. I got the car with 80 k on it and have no reason to suspect the motor was ever pulled. 100 k miles for that motor should be expected IMO. I don't expect to do much more than oil and filter changes for a very long time. Won't surprise me to see 200 k but then, I take care of my engines. These are old cars, I suspect you've seen some that didn't get the preventive maintenance that was needed.
Ron
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FieroBrad87 Member
Posts: 743 From: Nevada, Iowa, United States Registered: Dec 2005
Hmm, not sure how to respond to this. The one duke powered Fiero I have is all original, the clock shows 115K + and is still going strong. I got the car with 80 k on it and have no reason to suspect the motor was ever pulled. 100 k miles for that motor should be expected IMO. I don't expect to do much more than oil and filter changes for a very long time. Won't surprise me to see 200 k but then, I take care of my engines. These are old cars, I suspect you've seen some that didn't get the preventive maintenance that was needed.
Ron
No, I understand. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just saying that both of my dukes needed heads at least once between 100K and 150K. IMO the only good duke head is one that has been welded back together. BTW I never said anything about "pulling the motor". There is certainly no need to pull a duke to do the head.
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Posts: 43225 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
had an 89 Grand Am w/ a Tech 4 in high school and thru college. it ended up with 266,XXX miles on it before the tranny died on it. only did regular maintenance to it except for a valve cover gasket (as far as the motor goes). still wished i had that car. when the trans went on it the body was so far gone (as well as the frame) that i just crushed the thing. that thing was a beast, nothing could kill it
I had a 1990 Grand Am with the 2.5 and when I retired it to a friend as a field beater it had 330k on it, it was a 5 speed to the trans never died. It was opened up once because I happened to get both front wheels in huge potholes in a parking lot, thus ramming the oil pan onto a ridge of blacktop, ripping open the goofy inner oil filter housing and damaging the rear main seal. That happened at 90k, after that was fixed no probs. Like yours the body rusted off, I had a computer issue but once replaced with a junkyard one took care of that. I swore I would find another low milage one without rust but could not find one.
It really didn't use much oil either. *edit* original head the whole time, bought the car with 60k on it.
My Fiero's duke doesn't use 10w30 at all either.
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Posts: 743 From: Nevada, Iowa, United States Registered: Dec 2005
Boy, I am a different breed of Fiero people. I've always known better than to drive a piece of crap like a grand am, and that's saying a lot because I was driving Fieros. But I'm also of the "anti-4.9/anti-3.4DOHC/Quad-4" crowd... Call me a GM purist
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43225 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
I am not calling anyone a liar but I am seriously suspicious that any duke could go 100K, let alone 200K without needing a cylinder head. I suppose it's possible with a very conscientious owner. I'm not even going to talk about quad 4s. lol
Hmmm......I bought my '86 2m4 from the original owner. The clock has 238,XXX on the dial but doesn't register any more. So I know it's more than that. I did have to replace the head gasket when I got it though.
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fastblack Member
Posts: 3696 From: Riceville, IA Registered: Nov 2003
I am not calling anyone a liar but I am seriously suspicious that any duke could go 100K, let alone 200K without needing a cylinder head. I suppose it's possible with a very conscientious owner. I'm not even going to talk about quad 4s. lol
the tech 4 in my GA was different than one i had in an 86 olds...the GA had the oil filter inside the pan and ran like a champ as i said. the olds had the oil filter mounted upside down near the top of the motor...that one cracked the head at 86,000. i thought it to be strange myself and replaced the whole motor with one like in my GA. couldn't tell ya how far that one went, my sister totaled the car and we crushed it...
------------------ 1986 Fiero GT 2000 Chevrolet Blazer ZR2 2004 Saturn Ion '2'
" I guess I've learned that there's more to life than racing, but not much more." -Paul Menard
I am not calling anyone a liar but I am seriously suspicious that any duke could go 100K, let alone 200K without needing a cylinder head. I suppose it's possible with a very conscientious owner. I'm not even going to talk about quad 4s. lol
Not all dukes are the same. They gradually improved over the years. Not just in strength of parts, but in manufacturing tolerances also. Did you know that before about 1987, the factory kept 4 sizes of pistons in stock, so that they would have ones that would fit each block as it came from being manufactured? The tolerances were so bad that they needed 4 sizes to ensure a fit within spec. By 1987, the manufacturing tolerances had improved to the point that they didn't have to do that. ps. I'll let you know when my 88 duke turns 200k miles. It's over 185k now.
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hklvette Member
Posts: 1439 From: Roanoke, VA Registered: Nov 2007
Not all dukes are the same. They gradually improved over the years. Not just in strength of parts, but in manufacturing tolerances also. Did you know that before about 1987, the factory kept 4 sizes of pistons in stock, so that they would have ones that would fit each block as it came from being manufactured? The tolerances were so bad that they needed 4 sizes to ensure a fit within spec. By 1987, the manufacturing tolerances had improved to the point that they didn't have to do that. ps. I'll let you know when my 88 duke turns 200k miles. It's over 185k now.
My 1987 Duke only has 79 actual miles on it....YES 000079.9 odometer reads. Still has factory oil filter on it...Ive owned it for 6 years never heard it run. Im preserving it as factory delivered,,[still has window sticker on it and plastic on interior. I know cars are meant to be driven,but at least one Fiero will always be NEW!!! Ed
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OldTalbot Member
Posts: 85 From: Joplin, MO, USA Registered: Mar 2006
Mine has 134000 miles on the clock. I don't know if the engine is original or not.
I'm enjoying reading all these posts about how reliable the Duke can be. I think that's totally cool. And I'm a big fan of driving slow cars fast, rather than fast cars slow. So the 98hp is no big deal to me.
Cheers!
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FieroJam Member
Posts: 1118 From: Zephyrhills, FL Registered: Feb 2008
Lets see my 88 just went over 100,000 recently. It is sitting at 101,500 approximately. And the only things I have done to is is replace the tensions pulley assembly and the clutch. The rest of the engine is original.
My 1987 Duke only has 79 actual miles on it....YES 000079.9 odometer reads. Still has factory oil filter on it...Ive owned it for 6 years never heard it run. Im preserving it as factory delivered,,[still has window sticker on it and plastic on interior. I know cars are meant to be driven,but at least one Fiero will always be NEW!!! Ed
Thats crazy, have any pictures to share?
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Frizlefrak Member
Posts: 2921 From: El Paso, Texas Registered: Aug 2003
My 1987 Duke only has 79 actual miles on it....YES 000079.9 odometer reads. Still has factory oil filter on it...Ive owned it for 6 years never heard it run. Im preserving it as factory delivered,,[still has window sticker on it and plastic on interior. I know cars are meant to be driven,but at least one Fiero will always be NEW!!! Ed
Pics???
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BlackGT Codde Member
Posts: 1107 From: Gallup, New Mexico Registered: Mar 2008
178,000k on an 88 duke automatic. Won't say it's going strong, but it does a 35 mile round trip commute 6 days a week without complaining. The head was rebuilt around 125k, but didn't really need it... it just made me feel better It sees 80-85mph everyday, so saying 75 is the limit is certainly not true... and it's been over 100mph on a few occasions with the auto so that is possible too (it might have taken 5 miles to gather that speed, but it was perfectly happy once it got there).