They are not Dodge Daytona rims... They are Centerlines.
Much more aggressive than the Daytona wheels. The Daytona wheels are decent if someone is going for the 'look' of the Indy track car but the Centerlines are much wider and a better fit for the Fiero.
That's new information to me. It used to be thought that they were a standard Firebird wheel under those covers. I guess the secret is out now. Thanks for letting me know.
No worries. I changed mine too. I used to have a set of those Centerline wheels. Still one of the better looking wheels on a Fiero in my opinion. It is a shame they covered them up on the Indy.
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Grumpy0868 Member
Posts: 116 From: Winston Salem,NC Registered: May 2009
Another RARE Fiero. Right --- GM sold more 84's and any other year.
ALL these Fiero Sellers think their car is "rare" just because they don't see that many on the road. I never saw that many when they were new. Does that mean they were already "rare" as soon as they were sold???
Working a deal with him now on them. They are the centerlines but have a ding in one of the edges. Going to see if I can get that sorted out. Then they go on my new pacecar!
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33103 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Working a deal with him now on them. They are the centerlines but have a ding in one of the edges. Going to see if I can get that sorted out. Then they go on my new pacecar!
If it turns out that you don't take them, let me know, I'm interested. The Craig's Listing has been deleted. So I can't get any contact information. I love these Centerline Wheels. I've not got four sets.
Ron
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Working a deal with him now on them. They are the centerlines but have a ding in one of the edges. Going to see if I can get that sorted out. Then they go on my new pacecar!
Good luck with that. I already made an offer to him on Thursday that Paul accepted. I got the email accepting it Saturday morning around noon - "Deal... I'll go $xxx for the rims".
In less than 24 hours, he backed out. Now he has a "partner" who wants to put the wheels on eBay. They're hoping for $1400 just for the wheels - that's why the Craiglist ad disappeared.
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Howard To: FieroSound Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: 1984 Pontiac Fiero - $1350 (scotts valley)
The guy who I'm partners on the car with wants to put them on eBay. I don't really care for eBay myself and would rather sell them on Craig's but he's a car guy and says he's seen a set sell for $1400.
I'll keep you posted as we figure out what's going to happen with the car and rims.
Thank you, Paul
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
I don't think he's seen a set sell for $1400. I think just all the 'rare' talk made them think they can get more. It is possible that someone gave $1400 for a set but they got ripped if they did... in my opinion, of course.
With that being said, I wouldn't deal with anyone who had made a deal to sell something to someone and then back out because they got a better offer or felt like they could. That is a person that can't be trusted. Some of you may remember the yellow T-top Formula from a few years back. The dealer made a deal with me then someone else offered more so he asked me if I would like to up my price. He wanted a bidding war on a car he had already agreed to sell me. He didn't get it and I let the other person buy the car. Shortly after, the buyer contacted me to see if I wanted the car at the original price I had offered because the car was not in the shape it was represented to be. Obviously, I passed.
I don't think he's seen a set sell for $1400. I think just all the 'rare' talk made them think they can get more.
"Deal... I'll go $xxx for the rims" sounds like an acceptance of my offer to me. But...
...with the other emails they received showing interest in the wheels, they decided to do some research (should have done that in the first place) and found that the wheels were the only thing worth anything on the car - possibly worth more than the car itself. So they decided to "cancel' the agreement they made with me for the wheels.
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Hello Everyone, I have decided to list the wheels at "NO RESERVE" to give everyone a fair chance to win the auction. Please go ahead and submit your best offer. Best of luck to all. Kind Regards
Hello Everyone, I have decided to list the wheels at "NO RESERVE" to give everyone a fair chance to win the auction. Please go ahead and submit your best offer. Best of luck to all. Kind Regards
Hmmm... I didn't post the 1st question. He's confusing me for someone else. I emailed pointing this out and asked they remove their "answer" that quotes our correspondence - since it's not me that they are answering. His email sequence of events is somewhat out of order - probably confused some of it with johnyrottin whom he was also dealing with.
Terms:
... cash in person or by US Green Postal $ Order. If you need to overnight the money to get it here on time please do so. Please do not send any form of payment other than what is specified above. Once funds clear the wheels will be released to the buyer. All payments must be verified and clear the bank. Remember, you are entering into a legally binding contract.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Howard To: fierosound1@shaw.ca Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Fwd: 1984 Pontiac Fiero - $1350 (scotts valley)
Deal... I'll go $500 for the rims... you must bring "rollers" that we can put back onto the car so it's not sitting on the ground when you leave.
Thank you, Paul
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johnyrottin Member
Posts: 5504 From: Northwest Florida Registered: Oct 2007
Yes, twas I that he agreed to at 500 plus a set of rollers. Then he increased the deal to 750. I did find out that the rims are not perfectly fixable but still more than useable and would be 225 per rim to refinish back to as new as possible (i.e. the digs along the edge. This shouldn't affect the performance of the rim though, just the asthetics). I am up against a budget with the storm tha blew through FL causing me some unplanned damage so 750 plus 900 refinishing for wheels when the Daytona rims look as bad a s s as they do doesn't quite make sense for me. Those rims should be repaired and placed on an extremely low mileage Pace Car (like the one with 193 miles or so!)
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15253 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
Yes, twas I that he agreed to at 500 plus a set of rollers. Then he increased the deal to 750. I did find out that the rims are not perfectly fixable but still more than useable and would be 225 per rim to refinish back to as new as possible (i.e. the digs along the edge. This shouldn't affect the performance of the rim though, just the asthetics). I am up against a budget with the storm tha blew through FL causing me some unplanned damage so 750 plus 900 refinishing for wheels when the Daytona rims look as bad a s s as they do doesn't quite make sense for me. Those rims should be repaired and placed on an extremely low mileage Pace Car (like the one with 193 miles or so!)
Look at pictures above. The rear tire is flat and the tire bead is off the rim. Maybe the damaged wheel won't hold air?
As you can see in the above email I posted earlier, I got an email from Paul accepting my offer too. Seems he was playing us against each other, though I never got a counter-offer to up the price to $750. They started getting greedy after that.
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Howard To: fierosound1@shaw.ca Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: 1984 Pontiac Fiero - $1350 (scotts valley)
Hi Tony,
Sorry you're so upset...
... another gentleman offered to purchase and yet a 3rd person offered to buy them. ... my partner who deals with eBay researched the rims and realized that only 2000 sets were made. He then found a set which sold for $1400... am I supposed to sell them to you and two other gentleman for $500 ... ???
Kind regards...
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johnyrottin Member
Posts: 5504 From: Northwest Florida Registered: Oct 2007
I would say yes he was supposed to sell them for 500 because he agreed to sell them for 500. Then he changed it to 750... You don't go back and say that the Mustang someone sold you was a rare factory blah blah blah that was worth 200k after you agreed a price of 25k. Verbal and oral contracts are upholdable in court. I also have an email trail showing the convo's.
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KEV Member
Posts: 2590 From: Green Isle, MN Registered: Dec 2000
Wow, I wonder what the intentions of the seller were?? I wonder where the information came from that 2000 sets were made. There were more Q style Centerlines made than that.
One thing that you guys need to keep in mind when thinking about buying the Q style wheels is that Centerline made several widths and offsets in the 16 inch "Q" wheels. The Centerline catalog listed the following sizes specifically for the 84-87 Fiero.
The fronts are 16 x 7 with a 38mm offset and 5-1/2" backspacing. The rears are 16 X 8 with a 35mm offset and 5-7/8" backspacing.
These wheel sizes were intended to match the Fiero fender line with 2" Belltech drop spindles and a 1" cut in the rear coils. The Herb Adams catalog explains the performance reasons for this set up in conjunction with his swaybars that he developed under the blessing of Pontiac Motorsports. The rights to the Herb Adams bars were later sold to ADDco.
This picture shows the original "X" style wheel as it was proposed by Pontiac to use on the Pace Car Replica. The disks were going to be offered through the dealer in the Super Duty catalog. Two things happened: 1) Engineering abandoned the wheels after frequent tire pressure drops occured in testing due to the center bead design of the "X" style wheels. Centerline redesigned the center bead where the three pieces are rivited together and offered them to the public as the "Q" style. 2) The bean counters. The wheels would have added in neighborhood of $800 to the cost of a Indy Fiero Replica.