quote Originally posted by Small town fool: Is that list made up from the entire program? or is it just from your area??

The list is from the C4C website. It may not be the entire list, But it is the one they (the government) released.

quote Originally posted by Dakota Fiero: ... I think the dealers are putting the screws to alot of people.

A car dealer? Lie to a customer?!

Oh the horror!

Sorry.

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So the C4C cars went into the yards???? The way the media here reported it, The c4c cars had to be engine seized and COMPLETELY CUBED! if the parts minus the engines were allowed to be recycled, It makes me a little less mad over it.......a little.

-T

Don't be fooled.

This program is like all other goverment programs where it was used and abused by people. I would love to see the waste involved here. This list has traits that something looks wrong as has the other list where I see cars like a Buick GNX Regal Turbo? Something is funny,

This stuff is run by the same people who are running the postal system that is going bankrupt, the welfair system that is cheated to death and helps fund Acorn that gets uglier by the day.

Just wait till they get some health care passed I wonder how much money will be stolen there.

My wife works has a goverment job and the waste that we see is sickening,. Note it does not matter what party is in charge.

I also predicted sales would crash in September when this was over. Guess what it has so any positive sales in August will be negated in September. This program was not unlike the rebates the MFG did years before. It never made anyone any money and added to the damage that led to the bankruptcy of the MFG.

The sad part of this whole deal is the some think the goverment bought them a car when it was all of us buying these cars for the people. Too many forget what Lincoln said. "A Goverment Of the People, For the People and By the People Shall not parrish. Well we are fading fast since we no longer follow what we were founded on.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: The sad part of this whole deal is the some think the goverment bought them a car when it was all of us buying these cars for the people. Too many forget what Lincoln said. "A Goverment Of the People, For the People and By the People Shall not parrish. Well we are fading fast since we no longer follow what we were founded on.

That's a good quote, and no truer words have been spoken when dealing with this. I am just waiting for the entire economy to fail like it did in the 30's. I think mostly it's because some goverment officials were lazy and sloppy. They became complacent in thier secure job, pushing out empty bills only for themselves, and shoty work, trying to find their own glory. There has been so much corruption it's not even funny.

This is my opinion, you can let me know if you disagree. When I think of a goverment worker (ie congressmen/ women, postal workers, even law enforcement) I think lazy, incompetence, self centered people, only out for them selves. They have power, and they let it get to their heads. They don't have a grasp of common life that we Americans have. I know there are a select few that know what it's like to not have much and go to work everyday to pay the bills, but I believe some don't.

This cash for clunkers thing is some what a good thing for those who can afford it. There are still some out there that can't afford to trade in their clunker, and make a car payment. My mom being one of them. So they are still stuck.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: I also predicted sales would crash in September when this was over. Guess what it has so any positive sales in August will be negated in September. This program was not unlike the rebates the MFG did years before. It never made anyone any money and added to the damage that led to the bankruptcy of the MFG.

I agree with this statement as well. It was just a fad. They come and they go, and then they cause problems. I am not sure how many people actually bought GM products because, boy they could use the help. I know a few people who bought toyota's, honda's, and other foreign cars. I thought this cash for clunkers was to help out our car manufactures.

Well enough of my ranting lol.

That's sad to see a really nice and rare yellow coupe sitting in the bone yard. Those guys didn't know what they had.

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Thank for the sig. Bobadoofunk
1984 Fiero Sport Coupe
1990 Buick Reatta
2002 Chevy Impala base

Ack! I spilled my beverage of choice when I saw this yellow Formula in this thread. Can someone please get the VIN and send it to me so I can enter it into the 88 Database? Tranny type and interior color (grey of course, right?) would also be nice.

Thanks!

John

quote Originally posted by DailyDriverGT: I absolutely hate this program and dont understand why almost everyone thinks they are benifiting from it in any way... I dont even want to begin to express my extreme dislike for whats going on, however I would like to show what Ive been seeing in the yards around here. There is a yellow 88 Formula and a black 85 GT both automatics in a local yard ive been going to to get body parts for my buddys truck... as well as many other nice vehicles. looks like original paint and everything, brand new brakes I might steal the taillights tomorrow someone already got the ground effects off this gt what a shame... I know the following is not a fiero but I just wanted to show what people are giving up...

quote Originally posted by DailyDriverGT: There is a yellow 88 Formula and a black 85 GT both automatics in a local yard ive been going to to get body parts for my buddys truck... as well as many other nice vehicles.

Fierostore is taking 88 Steering racks for core credit, check with them it was $75

The c4c program is like any other governmnet program. There are logical arguments as to wether or not the program should have happened. For example, can the government really afford to pay $4500 a piece for clunkers? Is it worth it in the long run? Will the program accomplish the intended purpose? All of these are valid questions, but the notion that valuable vehicles are being needlessly cruched is a little ridiculous. First of all, the vehicles are not crushed. The engine is destroyed and they are sent to junkyards. The obvious point here is to get them off the road and replace them with more fuel-efficient vehicles. I find it very hard to believe that anyone went to their local dealership and took $4500 for a vehicle that is actually worth $10,000 or more. Also, why would the dealer allow that to happen? Just offer them $5000 and sell the vehicle to someone else.

It really bothers me that people just decide how they feel about something (or, more specifically, someone) and then believe everything that supports their feelings without even logically thinking about it.

Well, the cars may not be worth $10K, but the dealer wouldn't turn it around for $5K... they would have to prep the car (invest money into it) and then try to sell it. Maybe the cars are high mileage and wouldn't sell much more than about $6K. If so, why gamble for $1500. The dealership would just rather take the $4500.

There is no logic to this program at all.... we are talking about a government program.... only politics.

BTW, this was not about increasing the number of fuel efficient vehicles, it was about paying back votes from unions and trying to shore up sales of a government run company (GM). If it was about fuel efficiency, then why didn't they open the program for any vehicle that got less than 15MPG and you had to trade it in for something that got 30MPG? That would be an increase, but when you are talking about 2MPG difference, that is a joke...

As you can see I think this was a HORRIBLE program and the government doesn't have the right to spend my money buying other people a car/truck/suv...

quote Originally posted by GT85: The c4c program is like any other governmnet program. There are logical arguments as to wether or not the program should have happened. For example, can the government really afford to pay $4500 a piece for clunkers? Is it worth it in the long run? Will the program accomplish the intended purpose? All of these are valid questions, but the notion that valuable vehicles are being needlessly cruched is a little ridiculous. First of all, the vehicles are not crushed. The engine is destroyed and they are sent to junkyards. The obvious point here is to get them off the road and replace them with more fuel-efficient vehicles. I find it very hard to believe that anyone went to their local dealership and took $4500 for a vehicle that is actually worth $10,000 or more. Also, why would the dealer allow that to happen? Just offer them $5000 and sell the vehicle to someone else. It really bothers me that people just decide how they feel about something (or, more specifically, someone) and then believe everything that supports their feelings without even logically thinking about it.

Fellas,
Like any government decison, that seeks to help a particular group, in this case a pay back to the United Auto Workers for helping to elect Obama (sic), there are ALWAYS unintended consequences. First, only 1 American car made the top ten list of vehicles sold. Only one Japanese cars sold 9 out of the 10 vehicle's. Second, many thousands of cars were taken out of the secondary market, foisting lost jobs in that area as well. This is why I never vote liberal. Liberal's can only think on a simple mental midget platform: emotion. However, I always think with logic and rationality, that is why I drive a Fiero!

Cordially,
Kevin

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Since this is a Fiero forum and not a politics forum, I will only post once more on this topic...

First of all, I don't consider myself republican or democrat, as both parties are so far on opposite sides of every issue that neither one ever makes any sense. If a republican goes outside and looks up at a blue sky and says "The sky is white," a democrat will automatically say it is black even if he knows it is blue just to completely contradict the republican. That being said... A conservative voter to accuse liberals of doing something as a payback to a special interst group? "Hey Pot, this is Kettle..." The republicans have been in the pockets of the oil industry, the insurance industry, banks... you name it. Also, you say that you think about things logically, but always vote conservative... How is that logical consideration? It is also a completely untrue blanket statement to say that liberals always make decisions based on emotion. It is equally untrue to say conservatives always make decisions based on money, although some would say so.

Just for balance, I think Obama is wrong about a lot of things and that the c4c program was a bad idea. I also think that George Bush was treated just as unfairly from the left as Obama is from the right.

quote Originally posted by 88 Database Guy: Ack! I spilled my beverage of choice when I saw this yellow Formula in this thread. Can someone please get the VIN and send it to me so I can enter it into the 88 Database? Tranny type and interior color (grey of course, right?) would also be nice. Thanks! John

Its sad I know... you should see the underbody of this car its beautiful! Anyway its auto and grey, if its still out there the next time I go ill grab the vin off it for you.
I actually have to go out sometime soon im gonna be building an enduro racecar out of a 94 Cavalier Z24 for next season and you wouldnt believe what kind of parts they have out there for the 3.1L V6, all I really need is an alternator... but they are such good engines I dont understand why they are all out there.


Oh and someone cracked up all the dot matrix plates around the radio and the shifter but i was able to grab the one around the guages... its in perfect shape no cracks around screw holes or anything, doesnt match anything in my car so if some ones looking for one I have one.

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61 crushed....
TMI

I don't wanna know.