Thanks...good to learn something new everyday...

may be going and buying back my old car....

miles also plays a big part in how rare it is. Mine has 37k original miles and original paint besides the fastback conversion. It might be rare someday if I can keep the miles low.

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Low Original Miles at 35,875!!!
19x8.5(f) and 19x9.5(r) Drifz 520b's
235/35 & 245/35 Nitto NT555s
Otherwise stock for now ;)

Factory Power Steering!

4 - 1988 GTs
10 - 1988 Coupes
0 - 1988 Formulas

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Factory Power Steering! 4 - 1988 GTs 10 - 1988 Coupes 0 - 1988 Formulas

Now these are rare Fiero's!!!

http://www.euronet.nl/users/fo_elmo/Fieroproduction.htm

46581 87 Fieros, 4458 were Blue, (.095 of prduction), 3785 87 SE's (approx) 368 (.095) were Blue, (50% ???) were 5 speeds (184), 25% ??? were Dukes, 46 total maybe.

I think this a low production model.

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Notchbacks RULE

"Let a man drive a Fiero and he'll own one.
Teach a man to fix a Fiero and he'll own eight....errr...nine."

How many '87 4 cly. SE's?

quote Originally posted by TejasFiero: How many '87 4 cly. SE's?

1,401 according to the Fiero Spotter's Guide

quote Originally posted by GT86: 1,401 according to the Fiero Spotter's Guide

Ahh rats, that would make my last number 37% Dukes not 25% for a total of 68 blue 5 sp, 4 cyl 87 SE's. Not so rare afterall. What % do you think are still on the road?

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The most rare ones I've heard of were the white monochrome GT's in (i think) 86. Something like only a dozen of them made...

What about the 85 (or 86?) coupe that was found with blue paint from the factory? It had the correct paint code and everything, but it was not an 87. Does Ed Parks have that one?

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1986 SE 350 V8

Yes , Ed Parks has that one , as far as I know, he hasn't done anything with it.

so if i read this correctly a white 87 se 4 cylinder is "rare" or in low production?

i got one in a manual that probably hasnt been driven in 10 years... i bet the milage is good on it.

and could someone explain the "rarest of rare" Indy with AC delete.
we have an indy... what makes it an AC delete?

quote Originally posted by FieroFarmGirl: so if i read this correctly a white 87 se 4 cylinder is "rare" or in low production? i got one in a manual that probably hasnt been driven in 10 years... i bet the milage is good on it. and could someone explain the "rarest of rare" Indy with AC delete. we have an indy... what makes it an AC delete?

There were 1,401 4 cylinder SE's in 1987, so it's not a very common car, but not really rare either. And there were not a whole lot of white cars in '87, so that makes yours even less common.

A/C delete isn't really the right term, I think "non A/C" is a more accurate. "Delete" implies A/C was standard, and that it could be deleted (not installed) for credit. I don't think A/C was a standard SE feature (all Indy's were 1984 SE's), and I don't recall it being part of the Y82 (Indy) option package. Maybe I'm wrong.

But there's definetely more than 1 non-A/C Indy, there was a member here who lived in Canada that has (had?) one. And I came across one about 2 years ago that didn't have it. Kinda strange, since the owner said it had been an Arizona car it's whole life.

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thanks for the info GT86!

Congrats on your car. I too have a Silver 88GT/5 spd. Of the 257 Silver 88 GT's made - 138 of them were 5 spd.

~ Jen

Looks like I have two low production models of the Fiero, and one semi fast one.

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88 Red GT, T-tops, auto, lumbar, grey interior
88 Yellow GT, 5-speed, grey interior
88 Black GT, auto, grey interior (s/c 3800 conv)

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quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Now these are rare Fiero's!!!

All produced in the first week of December 1987 (colors, yellow and white)

quote Originally posted by Toddster: All produced in the first week of December 1987 (colors, yellow and white)

So... Did they ever "escape" intact? Or were they all recalled and de-contented?

Has anyone reported having the N41 designation for power steering on their RPO sticker as one of the 14 cars?

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Notchbacks RULE

"Let a man drive a Fiero and he'll own one.
Teach a man to fix a Fiero and he'll own eight....errr...nine."

quote Originally posted by Fierobruiser: Has anyone reported having the N41 designation for power steering on their RPO sticker as one of the 14 cars?

I've heard of people saying they've seen the N41 code, but I've never seen one in person or in pictures. If it exists, I'd really like to see one, just for the sake of Fiero history. I wonder if the cars that had PS, and then had it removed, got an updated RPO sticker?

I have a 1987 Blue GT 5 Speed. Could anyone help me figure out how many of those were produced? Or at least point me in the right direction?

Thanks
-Chris

quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: I have a 1987 Blue GT 5 Speed. Could anyone help me figure out how many of those were produced? Or at least point me in the right direction? Thanks -Chris

Pretty much the only thing you can do is make an educated guess, since the records either don't exist or have been lost. If you assume (and that's all you can do) that blue was spread out evenly over the models, you can make a guess about the number of blue GT's.

Number of blue Fieros in 87: 4,458
Total number of Fieros in 87: 46,581, so about 9.57% were blue
number of 87 GT's: 15,968, so figure about 1528 blue GT's.

In 87, there were 21,135 manual cars, and 25,446 autos, so 45.37% were manuals. But that number is for total Fieros, not just GT's. But again, if you assume the percentages are somewhat consistent among the models, you come up with 693 blue 5-speed GT's. But that's just a rough guess based on the information that is available.

Wow, Thank you very much for the help. I will mark that info down. I assumed that it was rare due to being blue. Im just finishing the restoration this week, Its coming out beautiful!

Thanks Again.

hehe I think my fiero is one of the most common production codes ever. 86 SE, gold, auto V6, tan interior. Although I've wondered about the wheels. They are the standard snowflake/high tech or whatever they're called, but inside the spokes it's gold instead of the dark grey I've seen on other fiero wheels. Think this is a custom job? Or has anyone else also seen this?

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If you can't be good, be good at it.

There were something like 100 or 101 numbered GTs produced by Quality Pontiac, all factory white including mirrors and wheels. There was also a DeLonghi edition, which someone told me was the same as the white GTs, with a plaque in the interior and some type of small pinstriping or something just above the ground effects. There were also 2 turbo Michael Andretti Fieros, although I would guess they were aftermarket jobs.

There is info on the Quality Pontiac monchrome white Fieros

here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/061995.html

and here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/059040.html

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quote Originally posted by Ronnie: OK , by the numbers as quoted by the Fiero Spotters Guide : 567 - Med. red met Formula T-Tops : 547 - Formula

I have one Formula. Its rare

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1988 Fiero Formula T-tops
CJB 143 of 1252 "factory T-top cars"

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: From GM Canada (applies to cars built for Canada does not include US cars): Total Canadian sales figures, our data books show the rarest options to be: 1984 Fiero Sport model 2PM37 - 9 with AM radio code UL6 1985 GT - 105 with Tan Leather interior code 643 1986 GT - 5 with rear carrier code V58 1987 GT - 12 with Light Saddle Leather interior code 622 1988 GT - 20 in color Bright Yellow code 53 Total Fiero sales in Canada for all models were approximately: 11,000 units in 1984 7,000 units in 1985 6,000 units in 1986 3,000 units in 1987 730 units in 1988. Canada imported 160 Fieros with Y82 indy fiero option in 1984. In 1988 we imported: 423 GT 139 FORMULA 138 BASIC 4CYL. For GT models I believe the code for gold wheels was 60P and 19P for black, the numbers for those are 96 and 327 respectively, If you want me to check something on your package call me (George) toll free in Canada at 1-888-467-6853. The vehicle history packages only run $45 Canadian, they include MVMA specs for your model year. For 88 GT colors: 27 in color 16 (Bright Silver Metallic), 100 in color 40 (White), 93 in color 41 (Black), 36 in color 77 (Med. Red Metallic), 147 in color 81 (Bright Red), 20 in color 53 (Bright Yellow). we show no t-tops coming to Canada in 1988. **** Based on the above info, we have one of the rare ones: a built for Canada Yellow 88 GT with lumbar Silver would be the next, followed by Med. Red Metallic, then Black, White and finally Bright Red.

Hmm so I guess that makes mine rather rare as well.

Yellow 88GT
Lumbar
Premium Sound
A/C
5spd
Hard Top.

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85GT 5spd ,93 Eldorado 4.9 Dual O2 Custom Chip, Archie Clutch. Custom Exhaust. MSD Everything 245/50/16's Not Your Average 4.9 Capt Fiero Com --- My Over View Cadero Pics Yellow 88GT 5spd Stock.

Yeah Ed has the 1 of 1 85 factory painted Blue fiero. well, 1 of 1 as far as we know

I just this afternoon bought a rare decklid then! Silver '88 GT deck, I like how clean it looks without the suppression grid visible. S'pose it could be a repaint, doesn't matter, it's going on a med red metallic anyway, or whatever color I decide on. Strike 1 silver '88 GT off the books, the guy was parting it out.

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'87 GT, daily driver
'78 Toyota longbed, parts runner
'84 F250 Xcab, BIG parts runner
'87 30' Kit Classic TT, living in it.

quote Originally posted by Ronnie: OK , by the numbers as quoted by the Fiero Spotters Guide : 567 - Med. red met Formula T-Tops : 547 - Formula Hemmings Motor News in 2005 listed the Fiero Formula with T-Tops , one of the top 20 collectble cars.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: I have one Formula. Its rare

Hey Ronnie wanna trade?

htexans1 what options do you have on your Formula?

I'm curious how rare my 88 factory t top formula is because mine has power windows, locks, rear defrost, cruise control, ac, 5-speed and beechwood interior. I just wish it was the factory color still. It was med metallic red. Now it's yellow. I did install trunk release too. I don't know how you guys live without it.
Matt Jackson

quote Originally posted by Tinton: I know that factory yellow 88's and factory '88's with t-tops are rare. Also blue '87 Fieros are very rare, only like a couple thousand made. I think Indy Fieros are also rare. Not sure about anything else besides lumbar and leather seats, those might also be rare.

I saw a blue 87 at a :Pull-a-Part.

About this factory power steering thing- is this for real? Is there any documentation, pics/vids, stories that confirm this was driven on the road? Was it a standard hydraulic type system? Was it not a production thing? Just like a joke on the assembly line?

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If you can't be good, be good at it.

quote Originally posted by fierodeletre: About this factory power steering thing- is this for real? Is there any documentation, pics/vids, stories that confirm this was driven on the road? Was it a standard hydraulic type system? Was it not a production thing? Just like a joke on the assembly line?

It was real and very limited. Only a hand full of factory cars got it and they were removed after being returned to GM.

There were a couple of cars the escaped and the poer units were still in place when the cars were sold. Also some units were take out qf GM and sold.

There are a coupld of people on this site that have the units or part of the units.

This and only a hand full of parts from a Fiero that are truly rare and highly sought. In other words worth a good chunk of change. I many cases there are rare parts for the Fiero out there that will be worth as much or more than many Fiero cars as a whole.

The demand for these parts are great in the Fiero community but for cars wil no air and odd colors then not to see the same demand. The last Power steering unit went for in the thousands of dollars on E bay.

By the way no one jokes on the assembly line any more as everything is too planned out. One just does not say hey lets sneek a power steering unit into a car that never had one. The power units were done off line and most likely at a GM engeneering site. These were hand assembles units by engineers not line workers.

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I had forgotten about the delta 204t. That would be a nice car to have! The govt even confirms the car existed Could the package be duplicated? Was the engine a special made one, or a modification of a stock one? brochure - do the people in the "contact for more information" section still exist?

Also, don't forget the Zimmer Quicksilver - only built in '86 and '87 .... I think less than 150 were built, highly modified, considered a neo-classic, but still Fiero based.

ZIMMER QUICKSILVER

SPECIFICATIONS

TOP SPEED 121 mph (193 km/h)
0-60 mph (0-96 KM/H)

9.7 sec
ENGINE TYPE

V6
DISPLACEMENT

173 ci (2,834 cc)
TRANSMISSION

3-speed auto
MAXIMUM POWER

140 bhp (104 kW) @ 5,200 rpm
MAXIMUM TORQUE

170 lb ft (230Nm) @ 3,600 rpm
WEIGHT

2,920 lb (1,327 kg)
ECONOMY

24 mpg (8.50 km/l)

quote Originally posted by larini74: Also, don't forget the Zimmer Quicksilver - only built in '86 and '87 .... I think less than 150 were built, highly modified, considered a neo-classic, but still Fiero based. ZIMMER QUICKSILVER SPECIFICATIONS TOP SPEED 121 mph (193 km/h) 0-60 mph (0-96 KM/H) 9.7 sec ENGINE TYPE V6 DISPLACEMENT 173 ci (2,834 cc) TRANSMISSION 3-speed auto MAXIMUM POWER 140 bhp (104 kW) @ 5,200 rpm MAXIMUM TORQUE 170 lb ft (230Nm) @ 3,600 rpm WEIGHT 2,920 lb (1,327 kg) ECONOMY 24 mpg (8.50 km/l)

Those look like Fiero numbers. I would be suprised if a Zimmer with the added weight could do the same.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: I have one Formula. Its rare

Yeppers, I've got a White 88 Formula, 5 speed T Top car, I haven't seen any others. I'm sure their out there just not very common. It's the one car I have that will stay Stock.

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Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all.
My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.

The things that make something collectible / valuable are: desirability and rarity. How desirable an old Fiero is depends upon who is looking and when; a big "80's revival" trend could drive the value up.

Rarity isn't just how many were made - it's how many survive. Many of the collector items sold at auctions for high prices were super common when they were made; cereal box toys and stuff like that. They didn't have any value at that time, so people just threw them away. 50 years later they're almost impossible to find and highly valuable - go figure.

So what could happen is that all the Fiero GT cars that have been carefully preserved will not have the same high value as a Fiero econo coupe - not many of those were made, and most have been crushed already.

And for those who are looking for a big increase in value in the future - your best chance will be with a car that is 100% factory condition. Mods, no matter how carefully done, almost always reduce the value of a car. If you've just gotta mod, then save the original parts and make your mods reversible so you can put it back to factory original...